Well, yeah that’s the gist of it except there may be shortages due to several factor but distribution would be very streamlined. I would say that’s pretty accurate. It's a social idea that doesn’t use money or politics and makes the earth’s natural resources available to all because rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter-productive to our survival
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If we left the world to go on a natural course in the current direction, in the next 40-50 years we would probably go in a TVP direction anyway. The alternatives are scary.
Look, I understand the need and desire for a new system when it comes to how our society and civilization will need to be able to sustain itself. However, the Venus Project is not only a poor choice and model for a sustainable future, it is unrealistic and in many ways downright delusional.
I find it hard to believe that people think it will be OK to continue in the current direction without moving out of this outmoded system. It seems that the writing is on the wall. Maybe I read the news too much…
I don't see too much disagreement between myself, many here and you along with many of the TVP proponents when it comes to the need to change how our civilizations do things.
However, I believe that TVP is not only the wrong way to fix the Earth but it is harmful. It gives people false hope in something that will never succeed because of its own massive internal flaws.
Well, it would seem that all natural resources we need would be in abundance. Natural resources are in abundance on the earth. There is a lot of what we need.
Yes, I read the earlier part of this thread and it is for all essential purpose false. Many resources are abundant but some are actually rare and some are rare because they are very difficult and dangerous to mine.
We already touched on stuff like energy earlier in the thread. We would not use oil so no need to worry about peak oil. We would probably not drive cars or it would be reduced by...say...90%. We see that happening now, right?
Yes it is. It is happening without a "Resource based Economy." It is happening because of the free markets: supply and demand.
Even in a monetary system we see the need and are working on that. I just read that Obama signed an electric car bill last week or something. That still burns coal but the need to change is there. So we are doing that but in a TVP society it would be done quickly and without asking 'how much money will it cost?'
Sorry but here is where TVP completely detaches itself from reality. You could claim that a TVP society would do things quickly but that is a fanciful claim with no evidence to back it up.
Material for housing and buildings would probably not use wood or very little. TVP already does this at their base in Venus, Florida.
Do you know why we use wood for housing?
Because it is a cheap and abundant resource so why would we stop using it? What are you going to replace it with? Plastics?
Food can be produced on the earth or with hydroponics.
Uh...yes and we are already doing it.
What else? Water, metals ect. There is a lot of metal in the earth still.
Kind of. There is a lot but many are very difficult to get to. There is a reason we have mines that goes a few miles underground. Most of the easily mined metals are already used up.
Fresh water is not abundant. Clean water processes will help solve some of the problem but Fresh water itself is not abundant. Desalination is a very energy intensive and difficult process.
I remember reading the Nazis’ ran out of rubber during the war and were blocked from getting it so they substituted.
Uh...you know they used oil to produce artificial rubber and we still are using that process today?
Humans can engineer materials if we have a shortage but in the TVP scenario it would not be to win wars but to feed, cloth and shelter the entire world plus create abundance for everyone and not a select few.
Sigh. I'm sorry but that is a very naive view of the world. Many wars are not just fought over resources but ideologies as well. The Nazis invaded Poland and the rest of Europe not for resources but power. The Vietnam War was over ideology. The war in Afghanistan is over religious fundamentalism. A TVP world would not solve that problem at all.
So the stuff we need could be in abundance because it exists naturally. What could be considered scarce on the earth?
Titanium, industrial diamonds, processed silicon, palladium, osmium, iridium, lithium, uranium, plutonium and many many more. These are rare because all the easy stores have been mined.
For all this to happen we need to know where the resources are and how much. We need to know where the arable land is and how much. First things first but that’s the idea. The point is to not have scarcity in the things we need. What materials would be in high risk of depletion? No one decides with there opinion. Hard scientific data decides.
You do realize that all this information is already readily available?
TVP is the scientific method applied to social concern, not the opinion of some guy you voted for once 4 years ago who gets to do whatever they like without looking at the facts.
I completely disagree.
TVP is a utopian ideal that masks itself in the veneer of the scientific method. It is an unrealistic system where it attempt to fix problems by applying unevidenced methods that they claim is based on science but it more akin to science fiction. TVP relies on technology that has not even been developed yet to be even partially sustainable. It glosses over real problems by hand waving it away and claming that it will be fixed by their methods.
I find many of the anti-democratic and big brother concepts even more vile.
