The Zeitgeist Movement... why not?

Mr_Mix said:
Hehheh.
I think crimes, overalll, would reduce dramatically and that would include crimes of a sexual nature. It would seem that even sex crimes exsist because of the environment that the perpitrator is in. Sex crimes may always exsist no matter what social system we are in but I think environment has a lot to do with it. This environment is a unhealthy one so thats why there are so many mental issues with so many people.

Earlier in this thread I mentioned a book by Jaque Fresco. I order and read the book and it was pretty interesting stuff but there is also a newer PDF by Jaque Fresco that is free and has similiar information here.

Alos, the Zeitgeist Movement's Activist Orientaion Guide is out. Take a look if you like.

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/The Zeitgeist Movement.pdf
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Under RBE, where would I go to get back the 90 minutes I spent reading those links? There's nothing in them but cut and paste from earlier worthless Fresco material that contains nothing but flights of fancy and unsupported speculation with NO information at all, beyond a few lines of disconnected statistics that have no bearing on any of his 'ideas' (scare quotes because, at this point, I'm being generous describing anything JF says with a word normally reserved for actual brain function).

Seriously, you actually read this stuff and think there's something there? This guy is a scam artist and he's stealing your money and time. Do yourself a favor and forget about him.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
The ZM is all about creating a better life for everyone. Sure, it is not perfect. Sure, a lot of things won't work. Sure, some things might be absurd.
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Just like any religion, it is all about "creating a better life for everyone". Screw things like facts or reality.
But I believe it is even more absurd to continue to live in a society like ours. Sorry, let me correct that, I believe it is idiotic. www.storyofstuff.com (simply common sense, and no, I don't care if any of you can "debunk" this movie).
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No comment. The True Believer has spoken and nothing will change his mind.
So, what if the ZM is not the right answer? It is a start. And sites like storyofstuff open the eyes of thousands to the idiocy of current system.
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I don't even know where to start to even comment on the utter stupidity and naivete of this statement. Imagine anyone saying this to a problem, "I don't know what's wrong or how to fix it but I'll do something even if it is not the right answer."
Threads like this one might be just a seed, and this is all it needs to be.
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True. These threads seems to be the seeds of a movement that will oppose the utter nonsense that is Venus Project. Instead of being able to sell their little books and nonsense under the guise of benevolence, it shall be revealed to be nothing more than a repackaged anarchist fantasy that it really is.

I actually didn't know what the heck this TVP was until it was brought up in this forum, now I'll actually go out of my way to make fun and educated people as to the complete and utter nonsense that it really is. Thanks.
 
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Mr_Mix said:
Hehheh.
I think crimes, overalll, would reduce dramatically and that would include crimes of a sexual nature.
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Well, I think we could eliminate sex crimes by renaming all men "Speck" and having all women talk only in pig Latin. Prove me wrong!

Mr_Mix said:
It would seem that even sex crimes exsist because of the environment that the perpitrator is in.
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Which is what?

Mr_Mix said:
Sex crimes may always exsist no matter what social system we are in but I think environment has a lot to do with it.
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I know a guy who "thinks" that goats are really peanuts, that they mate with Maalox and produce rainbows as offspring. Thinking something doesn't make it true.

Mr_Mix said:
This environment is a unhealthy one so thats why there are so many mental issues with so many people.
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Please describe the unhealthy part.
 
I am sorry, but the whole Venus Project is self debunking; and has no ability to seperate itself from earlier "experiments" into a perfect society. I am not willing to accept the "well it might fail, but it is better than what we have now" argument. Forgive me, but history has shown us that the "it can't be any worse" argument is the only supernatural omen my skeptical mind still believes in. I take that as a black cat walking across the crack that is my mother's back.
 
Travis said:
Well, I think we could eliminate sex crimes by renaming all men "Speck" and having all women talk only in pig Latin. Prove me wrong!
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Don't you get it? Obviously the Venus Project will create some form of machine to replace sex crimes? The Rape-O-Tron 5000, I mean it is so obvious. ;)
 
I think that Zeitgeist is a real eye opener. I have watched it many times and although I dont think everything is 100% I would say most of it is logical and truthfull. I mean if you actually think that they was not something strange with 911 then you haven't got a clue. There is too much to talk about but at the end of the day there is soo much evidence that points to somesort of inside job that I cant dispute it, the goverments have always been ***** lets face it, they just want to control the world via fear and manipulation. Those buildings would not have colapsed so easily by 1 plane hit each one I dont care what anyone says, people will choose to believe what they want but I know that that was a false flag operations just like all the others before it.
 
An inauspicious debut for young luke1234.

You don't care what anyone says?

How about you back up what you say with some evidence, ok?
 
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Scientists, musicians, writers, programmers, doctors, (you name it) can work, (and very often they do it) without receive any paying. Why? because they love to do what they do. So scientific discoveries are not causally related to money. Yes, some of them have being paid well, but most have not.
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I'm not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but if so, forgive please.

I think it would be hard to get people to "love" being garbage men, or to "love" cleaning port-o-potties. Sure, being a doctor, lawyer, or intergalactic-space assassin would make loving your job easy, but what about the millions upon millions of crap jobs out there? Would only the smart people get the good jobs?

I'm picturing Brave New World for some reason. Where did my Soma go?
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
I'm not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but if so, forgive please.

I think it would be hard to get people to "love" being garbage men, or to "love" cleaning port-o-potties. Sure, being a doctor, lawyer, or intergalactic-space assassin would make loving your job easy, but what about the millions upon millions of crap jobs out there? Would only the smart people get the good jobs?

I'm picturing Brave New World for some reason. Where did my Soma go?
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But those itinerant migrant workers want nothing more than to pick fruit for their betters, don't you know!

;)
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
I'm not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but if so, forgive please.

I think it would be hard to get people to "love" being garbage men, or to "love" cleaning port-o-potties. Sure, being a doctor, lawyer, or intergalactic-space assassin would make loving your job easy, but what about the millions upon millions of crap jobs out there? Would only the smart people get the good jobs?

I'm picturing Brave New World for some reason. Where did my Soma go?
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I understand the Brave New World reference, and you are talking about the caste system in that novel, but ,frankly, smart people have always managed to get the good jobs.
 
I'm currently in the process of watching Joseph's "Zeitgeist Orientation" video which apparently came out this weekend.

It's hilarious. Joseph apparently believes that the first cellphone invented should have been the end of it, that they should have been made perfectly right then and there, and that we could have held on to them for a hundred years. Anything else is planned obsolescence in his mind.

Most of these ideas seem recycled from the late 1960s. Joseph believes scarcity equals profit; there is some validity to this notion provided there is no competition to provide that profitable product.

I still have a hard time believing anybody buys Joseph's nonsense. I saw an early version of Zeitgeist, and I'm not kidding the guy pronounced Colonel as "Cologne-el".
 
luke1234 said:
I think that Zeitgeist is a real eye opener. I have watched it many times and although I dont think everything is 100% I would say most of it is logical and truthfull. I mean if you actually think that they was not something strange with 911 then you haven't got a clue.
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I thought airplanes impacting skyscrapers was pretty strange. Does that mean I have a clue?

luke1234 said:
There is too much to talk about but at the end of the day there is soo much evidence that points to somesort of inside job that I cant dispute it, the goverments have always been ***** lets face it, they just want to control the world via fear and manipulation.
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I see. You hate the Government and therefore feel they are guilty. Do you always so blindly convict based on prejudices?

luke1234 said:
Those buildings would not have colapsed so easily by 1 plane hit each one I dont care what anyone says,
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The people you are ignoring happen to be specialists in skyscraper construction and engineering forensics. Just thought you might want to know that.

luke1234 said:
people will choose to believe what they want but I know that that was a false flag operations just like all the others before it.
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What ones before it?


Welcome to JREF.:)
 
Brainster said:
I'm currently in the process of watching Joseph's "Zeitgeist Orientation" video which apparently came out this weekend.

It's hilarious.
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It is normal to have a LOT of issues regarding the ZM when one is so deluded and immersed in the current way of thinking. But in the end, the important thing is that cultures are just ideas in the mind of people. Different cultures will arrive, and their members will see the customs of previous cultures ridiculous.

Change is difficult, there is fear, there is resistance there are crybabies all around. It is normal. Every people will see this videos from a slightly different POV, some will understand that things are stupid as they are right now, and that there is a need to improve things. Others will hold to the womb and will laugh, or cry, or shout, because they are totally uncapable to see their culture from above.

No. I'm not stating that the ZM will take over the world nor it should. I initiated this thread to learn what was the general sentiment in the JREF towards something like the ZM. All I have stated in this thread is that there are severe issues in this society and that we should be actively attempting to change things, instead of pasively complain about everything that smells different.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
No. I'm not stating that the ZM will take over the world nor it should. I initiated this thread to learn what was the general sentiment in the JREF towards something like the ZM. All I have stated in this thread is that there are severe issues in this society and that we should be actively attempting to change things, instead of pasively complain about everything that smells different.
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Change for change's sake is usually a bad thing. Despite its flaws, society works pretty well -- and messing around with a complex machine that is nevertheless running, if you don't understand the machine in the first place, will usually result in a machine that no longer works.

The Zeitgeist Movement seems to absolutely typify "not understanding the machine in the first place" and "change for change's sake."
 
I love his discussion of economics; it's clear this guy never studied the subject. He compares the business cycle to a sine wave; apparently he's unaware that each peak is higher than the prior one and each recession only gives back part of the gains since the prior recession.

He does the money as debt crap again; what the heck is wrong with these Federal Reserve nutbars?

I'll say this for the orientation film; it's nowhere near as entertaining as the original Zeitgeist movie.
 
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