The War Against Christianity

When this story broke, did anybody NOT instantly think, "A crazed christian with a gun!" Who else would be motivated to do such a thing?
 
The shooter was not an atheist. He was a lunatic.

Fnord said:
It's now a shooting war, as both sides have opened fire.

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We're often ridiculed for being weak-minded victims. Now we'll be ridiculed for being gun-toting hypocrites.

Sorta reminds me of the time I threw someone through a plate-glass window after he and his buddies attacked me for bringing a Bible to school.

They left me alone after that, but used my act of self-defense as "evidence" for "Typical Christian Hypocrisy."
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I admire the security guard lady who had the guts to shoot it out with a lunatic armed with an assault rifle and all she had was a handgun. Most atheists are very sorry this happened. Nobody wants harm to come to Christians. We just aren't Christians ourselves. I congratualte that lady. I don't condemn her or any other armed responsible law abiding citizen. I happen to be one myself.
 
Fnord said:
It's now a shooting war, as both sides have opened fire.

LINK

We're often ridiculed for being weak-minded victims. Now we'll be ridiculed for being gun-toting hypocrites.

Sorta reminds me of the time I threw someone through a plate-glass window after he and his buddies attacked me for bringing a Bible to school.

They left me alone after that, but used my act of self-defense as "evidence" for "Typical Christian Hypocrisy."
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Considering the new information (Shooter wasn't an atheist, but a Christian himself), I think Fnord owes us atheists an apology here. He jumped to conclusions and started waving the blame finger. Being wrong is one thing, but insinuating that there's some kind of war between atheists and christians, and that they're "Fighting back" and not saying "I was wrong" when proven so *is* kind of hypocritical.
 
Abe_the_Man said:
From my own experience it seems most think it has something to do with secularism. I mean just look how close the words are "sectarian" "secular". The problem is most Christian churches think of themselves as "denominations" and not sects. Otherwise they would probably know that sectarian violence is between to sects or denominations of a single religion.
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Yes, exactly.
 
Fnord seems to be doing less "fighting" in this thread than "ducking and hiding".


Sending a PM to him so he can get back to the good fight and show us eeeevil atheists what for.
 
kittynh said:
If you really did throw some people through a window at school, were you suspended? Did you have to pay for the window?
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On the plus side, Fnord can now use the word "defenestrate" in everyday conversation more easily than the rest of us can.
 
Fnord, I just want you to know, whenever you want to throw me through a plate glass window for being an evil atheist, I'll give you my home address and even pay your way into Germany.

Be warned, though, that I fight dirty. :)
 
I used to belong to the FFRF

Fnord said:
It's now a shooting war, as both sides have opened fire.

LINK

We're often ridiculed for being weak-minded victims. Now we'll be ridiculed for being gun-toting hypocrites.

Sorta reminds me of the time I threw someone through a plate-glass window after he and his buddies attacked me for bringing a Bible to school.

They left me alone after that, but used my act of self-defense as "evidence" for "Typical Christian Hypocrisy."
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I used to belong to the FFRF which stands for Freedon From Religion Foundation and once they had a meeting at a building in Birmingham AL and there was a disturbance outside the building because the townspeople didn't want atheists in town. The police had to be called to break up the crowd. Nobody got hurt but the atheists had started nothing anything. I wasn't there which is good. Overall I bet atheists have more to fear from militant believers than they have to fear from an atheist. I hope we don't get caught up in a shooting situation. We're outnumbered very badly.
 
Cainkane1 said:
I used to belong to the FFRF which stands for Freedon From Religion Foundation and once they had a meeting at a building in Birmingham AL and there was a disturbance outside the building because the townspeople didn't want atheists in town. The police had to be called to break up the crowd. Nobody got hurt but the atheists had started nothing anything. I wasn't there which is good. Overall I bet atheists have more to fear from militant believers than they have to fear from an atheist. I hope we don't get caught up in a shooting situation. We're outnumbered very badly.
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Ah, but they fear our rationality. They fear our questions.
 
scotth said:
As an aside: I've informally asked a number of religious believers what the oft heard (in the news) phrase "sectarian violence" meant. Only one knew that it meant religous vs religious conflict. It seems it just does not register in the ears of many that the bulk of the international killing in the news is because people differ in religious views.
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I thought "sectarian violence" referred to any factional fighting from within one school of thought. I don't think the definition is just a religious one.

I would also argue that most of the religious fighting we see in the news has a political agenda behind it.
 
Egg said:
I thought "sectarian violence" referred to any factional fighting from within one school of thought. I don't think the definition is just a religious one.

I would also argue that most of the religious fighting we see in the news has a political agenda behind it.
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On count one - It is possible that if you looked widely enough, you might find a defintion that is so wide. But, in conventional usage (and certainly the way the media uses it) you would be wrong.

On count two - Actually, just the opposite is true. Most of the political fighting has a religious agenda behind it. But, feel free to try to support your arguement.

ETA: as examples, have a study of Northern Ireland, Sunni-Shia, and Balkans conlicts. And just so you aren't thrown off by the way the primary media covered the Balkans, know that Serbs = Orthodox Christians and Croats = Catholics.
 
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Jesus in Luke 19:27 said:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me
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So, the right thing to do was to slay them?
 
Mister Earl wrote:
"Considering the new information (Shooter wasn't an atheist, but a Christian himself), I think Fnord owes us atheists an apology here. He jumped to conclusions and started waving the blame finger."

He's not the only one. On my blog I've got a list of all the ugly and vile spin some Christianists put on the Colorado church shootings:
http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2007/12/ugly-and-vile-spin-some-christianists.html

The most ignorant and vile of the spin I've seen so far came from future toddler chopper Vox Day who is himself, in all probability, mentally ill and I suspect he will one day do something violent himself.

Tony Perkins, of the Family Research Council, tried to cast a little blame on “the secular media” and the nut jobs over at Uncommon Descent, as expected, tried to find a way to blame Richard Dawkins but it could have been worse. Remember when Falwell tried to get away with blaming abortionists, gays and the ACLU for the 911 terrorist attacks?
 
sackett said:
When this story broke, did anybody NOT instantly think, "A crazed christian with a gun!" Who else would be motivated to do such a thing?
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I didn't. But then again we had a crazy person with a gun shoot up a church in Fort Worth a few years ago so I tend to focus more on the crazy than who the person is or that they had a gun.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
I didn't. But then again we had a crazy person with a gun shoot up a church in Fort Worth a few years ago so I tend to focus more on the crazy than who the person is or that they had a gun.
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Yeah, crazy is crazy. It don't matter if the crazy is Christian, Muslim or atheist, if they've a screw loose, they're gonna let go. Or as HST once said "you can turn you back on a druggy, but you can never turn your back on a drug".
 
Okay, so it was a disgruntled postal worker. I mean, a disgruntled Christian. Same difference.

Seriously, who but a religionist would give that much of a damn? You say he was crazy? Yes, crazy with religion. He felt rejected, I suppose, and turned that into a feeling of being scorned. Hell hath no fury, etc.

And now I'm done with the topic. Nausea is Nature's way of telling you to lay off.
 
sackett said:
Okay, so it was a disgruntled postal worker. I mean, a disgruntled Christian. Same difference.

Seriously, who but a religionist would give that much of a damn? You say he was crazy? Yes, crazy with religion. He felt rejected, I suppose, and turned that into a feeling of being scorned. Hell hath no fury, etc.

And now I'm done with the topic. Nausea is Nature's way of telling you to lay off.
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I hope you won't beg off because it's such a tenet of orthodoxy amongst the militants here (not saying you're one, just replying to your comment since it lends itself to what others have said...) - are you trying to suggest that one might go crazy and shoot up places because one is disgruntled at working in the Post Office is the same as one going crazy due to a religious upbringing (or will according to some members here) and shoot up places because one is disgruntled with their parents/social circle/theology/whatever?

I'm sorry to disappoint you (and others) that think all religion is mental and child abuse, but I don't think religion is a sign of mental illness. I think mental illness is a sign of mental illness and shooting up any location, be it a Postal Office, Mall or Church is a manifestation of that mental illness, not one of being religious.
 
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