The VFF Test is On!

[VisionFromFeeling]

Synesthesia is indeed not a mental illness. You diagnosing yourself with some form of special synesthesia that has symptoms with 0 relation to real synesthesia IS a sign of mental illness.

Synesthesia has a certain set of medically documented symptoms. Having X-Ray vision superpowers is NOT synesthesia.

First of all, I do have some forms of synesthesia. And I do know the accuracy of my perceptions of kidneys beforehand. I know when I am right and when I am wrong. And I did detect Dr. Carlson missing a left kidney. I would not be too quick to conclude this as a mental illness. As far as I know, there is no mental illness that lets you feel the presence or absence of kidneys in a person and to know the accuracy of what you feel in advance.

Yah, but Brent did not fail demonstration of xray sooperpowers. You did. So there.

Excuse me? This is the most un-Skeptical thing you could ever say. Are you suggesting that Brent has some powers then? Oh I forgot. She was studied by the Rhine Center. Yes.

 

[Audible Click]

You didn't see anything wrong with his valves and so you took it upon yourself to think of a treatment of exercise and a healthy life style. Granted, you didn't mention it to the person but you are just one small step from doing that very thing by using a "talent" that you yourself have failed to verify. Why do you persist in bringing up Brent Atwater? It makes you sound jealous. You're on a very slippery slope and I have no doubt that sooner or later you are going to give diagnosis to some poor person and it will be wrong and harm them. Don't bother to type your "science student"/"Career in conventional medicine" excuse either as the general consensus is that it will never happen.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

No. But you don't have synesthesia. That's just another of your lies.

I do have synesthesia. The fact that you insist on otherwise is just another sign of your schizophrenia because you are believing in things that aren't true. At least I do not make false accusations about mental health http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4326157&postcount=1091

 

[jhunter1163]

I haven't shared this information with the person.

Why not? When you think you're right, you're right, isn't that the claim? Why not tell this person what you perceived and let him/her tell you if you're right? You said yourself that they know about it, so it's not like you'd be giving them bad news.

We all know perfectly well why you won't, Anita. It's because you're likely wrong, and since we have an IIG representative here the word of your wrongness would be posted here forthwith, leading to yet more ridicule from us and more backpedaling from you.

 

[paximperium]

As far as I know, there is no mental illness that lets you feel the presence or absence of kidneys in a person and to know the accuracy of what you feel in advance.

Believing that one has this superpower when in fact she does not is a sign of a mental illness.

 

[bookitty]

I was double checking many times over.

I don't recall sensing any other health problems. If I would have sensed any, I would not have said them out loud at the demonstration either. It would be immoral to do so. You know, like someone who doesn't intend to become a practicing psychic? Also I was busy with the kidneys thank you.

Orly? So in trial 2 - the one that you were so sure about. The single event on which you base your idea of a new, more complicated test - you saw only a missing kidney.

And missed three (3) separate pieces of titanium in the thigh and both arms, several large dense masses of tumor tissue throughout the chest, a missing bicep, missing testicle, a detached retina, an external leg-brace and numerous scars.

 

[Farencue]

yah, now you getting it.

 

[paximperium]

I do have synesthesia.

You CLAIM to have something you call synesthesia that has never been seen or documented anywhere in the entire world. Ever.

 

[paximperium]

Orly? So in trial 2 - the one that you were so sure about. The single event on which you base your idea of a new, more complicated test - you saw only a missing kidney.

And missed three (3) separate pieces of titanium in the thigh and both arms, several large dense masses of tumor tissue throughout the chest, a missing bicep, missing testicle, a detached retina, an external leg-brace and numerous scars.

Minor details.

 

[bookitty]

Minor details.

 

[Farencue]

<blah blah re: I really detected Dr Carlson's kidney removed>

Excuse me? This is the most un-Skeptical thing you could ever say. Are you suggesting that Brent has some powers then? Oh I forgot. She was studied by the Rhine Center. Yes.

I reckon Brent has sooooperpowers. And you don't.
Heck, the Rhine Research Centre weren't interested in you were they?
But they were in Brent. And now she making da money.

 

[desertgal]

First of all, I do have some forms of synesthesia.

Prove it.

Oh, that's right. You can't.

And I do know the accuracy of my perceptions of kidneys beforehand. I know when I am right and when I am wrong.

Prove it.

Oh, that's right. You can't.

And I did detect Dr. Carlson missing a left kidney.

Of course you did...after he told you he was.

I would not be too quick to conclude this as a mental illness.

You wouldn't. Truth is, you are nuttier than a fruitcake.

As far as I know, there is no mental illness that lets you feel the presence or absence of kidneys in a person and to know the accuracy of what you feel in advance.

No, there isn't. But since you can't really do any of those things, that is irrelevant. There are any number of mental illnesses that would cause a person-and that would be you-to fantasize that they could feel the presence or absence of kidneys in a person and to know the accuracy of what they feel in advance.

Truth is, you are nuttier than a fruitcake.

Excuse me? This is the most un-Skeptical thing you could ever say. Are you suggesting that Brent has some powers then? Oh I forgot. She was studied by the Rhine Center. Yes.

No, Brent doesn't have sooper powers. She also isn't stupid enough to fail a demonstration and then continue to claim that she passed.

Truth is, you are nuttier than a fruitcake.

 

[Furcifer]

What deception? I find it interesting that I detected Dr. Carlson missing a left kidney, and that I know my accuracy beforehand. If it were a chemistry experiment, it would be deserving of repeated trials. Certainly this is a somewhat more elaborate test set-up to arrange, but other than that there is no harm in repeated trials.

The deception of attributing paranormal power to simple probability enhancing.

I'm not speaking about you VFF, I'm speaking about the Sylvia Brown's and the $1500 per read charlatans. You have to realize these people simply increase their probabilities by hedging (or cold reading).

Whether you choose to realize this or not, you have clearly engaged in probability enhancement. My best guess is that your brain doesn't want to recognize this and has decided to attribute it to other "mystical" things. That doesn't make it so.

I've said this here before, but I think it bares repeating. I read a book in University called The Hundredth Monkey: And Other Paradigms of the Paranormal James Randi was a contributor to this book, that's partially why I'm here. After reading this, I started doing cold readings for classmates. Female classmates.

I got laid a lot. I took advantage of people to satisfy my own wonting needs. It was easy. Arrange a study date, light a few candles, do a few cold readings and presto, overnight sleep over.

I'm not proud of it, but hey, it worked. I passed this knowledge on to another friend and he made money off of making "Star Charts". I find that disgusting, making money off of peoples gullibility. I bestowed the power on him for sex, and sex alone. But as they say, "With great power comes great responsibility"

I know now why it worked so well for me. I'm the type of person that makes observations before making comment. To this day, I can "know" if you're an only child or how many brothers you have.

Are you an only child? I bet you are.

 

[jhunter1163]

Orly? So in trial 2 - the one that you were so sure about. The single event on which you base your idea of a new, more complicated test - you saw only a missing kidney.

And missed three (3) separate pieces of titanium in the thigh and both arms, several large dense masses of tumor tissue throughout the chest, a missing bicep, missing testicle, a detached retina, an external leg-brace and numerous scars.

Is this true? If it is, I'm not wasting one more minute of my time with Anita. Good Lord.

 

[desertgal]

I do have synesthesia. The fact that you insist on otherwise is just another sign of your schizophrenia because you are believing in things that aren't true. At least I do not make false accusations about mental health http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4326157&postcount=1091

I don't have schizophrenia-as "your" link clearly shows. Maybe you should learn how to read.

Here, I'll help you:

Schizotypal disorder is spelled s-c-h-i-z-o-t-y-p-a-l d-i-s-o-r-d-e-r.
Schizophrenia is spelled s-c-h-i-z-o-p-h-r-e-n-i-a.

See? Whole other set of letters at the end of "schizo". D'ya get how that works now?

You keep bringing that up like it means something. It doesn't.

Proof you have synesthesia? Oh, that's right...you don't have any proof. Just another lie.

Oh, dear. The space alien/debunked human MRI just accused me of making false accusations of mental illness. That's funny. Are you going to call the university police next?

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Objectively, you did not know that Dr. Carlson was missing a kidney until after he told you he was.

I detected that he is missing a left kidney well before he later announced that he was. Sorry if that contradicts with your ideas. But I find it remarkable also and that is why I am - still - investigating. Not to prove that I would be a psychic, but to find out what kind of visual information would suggest that a person is missing a kidney. Or how ever I do it.

You didn't see anything wrong with his valves and so you took it upon yourself to think of a treatment of exercise and a healthy life style. Granted, you didn't mention it to the person but you are just one small step from doing that very thing by using a "talent" that you yourself have failed to verify. Why do you persist in bringing up Brent Atwater? It makes you sound jealous. You're on a very slippery slope and I have no doubt that sooner or later you are going to give diagnosis to some poor person and it will be wrong and harm them. Don't bother to type your "science student"/"Career in conventional medicine" excuse either as the general consensus is that it will never happen.

You are just a rude person. I have no intentions of giving people medical diagnoses based on any of my personal intuition. Medicine is an exact science, and relies on objective conclusions made by its practitioners that can be confirmed and agreed on by all who practice it. Personal or subjective ideas, regardless of how accurate, have no place in medicine. Just the way it is.

And I use Brent Atwater as an example to show that you people are not attacking me because of Skepticism, or we would be seeing a www.StopBrentAtwater.com website. You attack me simply because I am available. Because I wanted to share my investigation with Skeptics, because I approach my experience in a Skeptical manner.

 

[bookitty]

Is this true? If it is, I'm not wasting one more minute of my time with Anita. Good Lord.

Yes, it is true. He's a friend of mine who has had a very rough time over the last 6 years - cancer and two very serious accidents.

 

[Rodney]

That picking the wrong kidney on the right target is a 100% miss by the protocol.

But so is picking the correct kidney on the right target either once or twice! For Anita to have passed, she would have had to have picked the correct kidney on the right target all three times.

Such simple logic has no place for spin. If there's spin going on it's the spin of pretending that the right target with the wrong kidney counts for anything in this trial.

I never said it counted for anything in terms of Anita passing the protocol, I'm simply saying that the protocol clearly specified a two-step process that Anita was supposed to follow. Therefore, my calculation of the probability that Anita would get two of the targets and one of the locations correct is accurate.

 

[LightinDarkness]

First of all, I do have some forms of synesthesia. And I do know the accuracy of my perceptions of kidneys beforehand. I know when I am right and when I am wrong. And I did detect Dr. Carlson missing a left kidney.

Please provide the details of the medical assessment you received stating that you have synesthesia. Block out any identifying or personal information. Oh wait..you can't do that. Because YOU HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH SYNESTHESIA. That is because you do not have it - you know that if you were to be tested, you would fail. No amount of you claiming to have it in order to give a scientific facade to your proclaimed superpowers is going to change the simple fact that nothing you have described has any relationship to synesthesia, nor have you ever been medically certified to have the condition.

You did not detect Dr. Carlson's missing kidney. If you did, you would have written it down - you did not because you did not detect until after he told you. When you fail in your guesses (because you dont have xray vision), you simply lie and claim that you know that you were wrong.

I would not be too quick to conclude this as a mental illness. As far as I know, there is no mental illness that lets you feel the presence or absence of kidneys in a person and to know the accuracy of what you feel in advance.

Really? I do. Lots of mental illness or other psychological phenomena would do such a thing. Its called delusions of grandeur, or false memory, or any other assortment of completely benign explanations which do not include any paranormal claim. And a skeptic and scientist would indeed conclude that all evidence points to these mundane explanations - including mental illness - since you have a 100% failure rate with every test you have taken of your abilities so far.

 

[Farencue]

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And I use Brent Atwater as an example to show that you people are not attacking me because of Skepticism, or we would be seeing a www.StopBrentAtwater.com website. You attack me simply because I am available. Because I wanted to share my investigation with Skeptics, because I approach my experience in a Skeptical manner.

Nah, you just jealous of what Brent has got going on.