Split Thread The validity of classical physics (split from: DWFTTW)

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Hey monkey-boy - check your facts there. I'm doing my best to ridicule the author of that ludicrous quip.

The shortcomings of the internet, when it is obvious that someone is making a joke, at someone else's expense smileys should not be required.
 
Of course my mistake was in being overly polite to 3bodyproblem to start with. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, unfortunately for him his later posts have erased all doubt.
 
This is nonsense. The propeller Requires power in order for it to provide thrust. The propeller cannot provide the power that it needs itself in order to produce thrust! THAT is a pmm.

You're making a conclusion before you even consider any of the steps. Start at the beginning, not the end.

The energy source is the wind. Are you familiar with how the energy available from the wind is calculated?
 
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Somehow I am unable to "hover", even on roller skates, especially when the treadmill is inclined.

Are you remembering to hop?

Perhaps you need someone to hold you down against the belt. Or the wife can stand in front of the treadmill and push you backward with a homemade plastic spork. That'll surely make you hover (and balance). :D
 
Well. I do admit to expending a fair bit of energy when I run on my treadmill at 10 mph. All that just to attain "wind speed" - which I do in my basement. Somehow I am unable to "hover", even on roller skates, especially when the treadmill is inclined. To duplicate the motion that my cart achieves on my treadmill I would need add little motors to my roller skates.

I'll bet that the treadmill motor would show an increase in power demand if I were to use little electric motors in my roller skates to move up the treadmill. What do you think?


On a trip to Hong Kong, I saw baseball caps that had been fitted with a small propeller, to keep the wearer cool! I wonder if you wore one of those and your roller skates, you could hover on the treadmill?:D
 
This is nonsense. The propeller Requires power in order for it to provide thrust. The propeller cannot provide the power that it needs itself in order to produce thrust! THAT is a pmm.

You really have a lot of homework to do before declaring anything to be nonsense.
 
Oh yes, I'm too heavy for the boundary layer to lift me up - but wait a second, humber said I move up the belt faster if I weigh more!
 
Oh yes, I'm too heavy for the boundary layer to lift me up - but wait a second, humber said I move up the belt faster if I weigh more!

In that case, maybe you should carry spork on your back while you wear the cap with the propeller and the skates on the treadmill. It would make a great video!
 
If this isn't you blogging, brother this is some conspiracy.

The first one isn't me. The second one isn't ANYONE. The third one is the YouTube video we posted as part of the Mythbusters video challenge. In any event, it's pretty darn clear you don't know what a blog is, because I've NEVER done one.
 
Wow, The Three Stooges pushing $80 DWFTTW carts to "prove them wrong" don't know what thrust is.

Interesting. I'm beginning to wonder who is at the top of this Pyramid...
 
The first one isn't me. The second one isn't ANYONE. The third one is the YouTube video we posted as part of the Mythbusters video challenge. In any event, it's pretty darn clear you don't know what a blog is, because I've NEVER done one.

671 and counting :wide-eyed
 
In that case, maybe you should carry spork on your back while you wear the cap with the propeller and the skates on the treadmill. It would make a great video!

I'm afraid that resonance between the little propeller on my cap coupled to the treadmill belt and my imperfect skate wheels will result in a calamity that would dwarf the Narrows bridge incident! Oh the hilarity!
 
No claim to the contrary. The only claim is that it will move faster than the air around it. That it does when the ground is stationary and the air is stationary and it moves forward wrt the ground. I hope that isn't too hard to see that it does exactly that!

Well. I do admit to expending a fair bit of energy when I run on my treadmill at 10 mph. All that just to attain "wind speed" - which I do in my basement.
You can Google to find the differences between treadmill exercise and real running. However, the treadmill's motion is not responsible for your expenditure of energy. It provides a reactive force to your muscles. In fact, you don't want the motor to do your exercise for you.
The body absorbs some of the KE generate while running, or stores it in ligaments, to be later returned. When walking, the leg is raised against gravity, and returns much as a pendulum. We need a make a bit of 'gap' to ground, so there is a lateral waddle to our gait. The belt simply moves back to accommodate those and other actions of ambulation, and our balance mechanism. Your are also your own dummy load, so to speak.
You can see that running is no more than a simple repetitive cycle, and if that is once possible, the length of the belt makes no difference.
Quite different ideas there.

Somehow I am unable to "hover", even on roller skates, especially when the treadmill is inclined. To duplicate the motion that my cart achieves on my treadmill I would need add little motors to my roller skates.
No, the power will fall to almost zero.

I'll bet that the treadmill motor would show an increase in power demand if I were to use little electric motors in my roller skates to move up the treadmill. What do you think?

I think that the amount of energy consumed by the motor by the addition of the cart is negligible.
Talk of resonance is overwrought.
The belt is passing under the wheels at exactly the rate that the wheels are rotating in the opposite direction. That is the the equivalent of a fixed point w.r.t the ground. (they subtract to produce zero w.r.t the ground).
All motion is therefore w.r.t the ground. That motion is nothing more than a slight imbalance in that subtraction. In principle, the cart cannot move.
 
Are you remembering to hop?

Perhaps you need someone to hold you down against the belt. Or the wife can stand in front of the treadmill and push you backward with a homemade plastic spork. That'll surely make you hover (and balance). :D

Hints of domestic violence now. Science, heh?
 
I'm afraid that resonance between the little propeller on my cap coupled to the treadmill belt and my imperfect skate wheels will result in a calamity that would dwarf the Narrows bridge incident! Oh the hilarity!

But at least your mention of the Narrows Bridge shows that you can at least understand how the energy delivered to a resonant object is multiplied. Note, energy itself is not multiplied, it is the amount delivered to something from something else, that is multiplied. On the treadmill, all of the energy comes from the electric motor. It delivers only so much to the cart but at resonance, it can deliver more, enabling the cart to speed up. Going down wind, there is no reason to think such resonance can be achieved. In fact, there is no evidence at all of a cert moving down wind faster than the wind, only a cart moving down wind.
 
Wow, The Three Stooges pushing $80 DWFTTW carts to "prove them wrong" don't know what thrust is.

You're wrongness is truly spectacular.

A) there is only one of me. To my knowledge no one else in the history of the planet has ever offered these carts at any price.
B) I offered them at $40. So you were only off by 100%
C) I'm willing to bet you an amount of your choosing that I understand thrust better than you - certainly better than the nonsense you've spewed here about thrust being the rate of change of mass!

671 and counting

Yup. 671 posts, and you haven't found a blog yet. But keep telling your lies.
 
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