The Twin Towers at free fall speed

From reading that previous thread Jay Howard's main criticism of the falsifiability of the NIST report seems to be that none of the conditions put forward to demonstrate it's falsifiability actually show it to be false.

From that I can only assume that his definition of a falsifiable theory is, "A theory which has been shown to be false."
 
Thanks 9/11 debunkers

As a few of you may know, I lurk here and faithfully read just about every thread. I don't have an engineering background but my husband does and simply raises an eyebrow at the constant truther JAQing off. I have to hand it to you who are still answering the same old, never-ending, questions. On 9/11 I saw the buildings fall and wasn't surprised at the speed that they fell, neither was my husband, it was what we expected and everyone I know, both in and out of the scientific community, were not shocked at the speed of their fall. I suppose my question is this: The "free fall speed" scenario seems to be a truth movement favorite. Is this because it is one of the least bizarre of their theories or is it because it's the best JAQing off subject? Kudos to all of you who put the time and effort in here because it may just give a few fence sitters some food for thought. Alferd Packer your post #144 was the funniest thing I've read all year.
 
As a few of you may know, I lurk here and faithfully read just about every thread. I don't have an engineering background but my husband does and simply raises an eyebrow at the constant truther JAQing off. I have to hand it to you who are still answering the same old, never-ending, questions. On 9/11 I saw the buildings fall and wasn't surprised at the speed that they fell, neither was my husband, it was what we expected and everyone I know, both in and out of the scientific community, were not shocked at the speed of their fall. I suppose my question is this: The "free fall speed" scenario seems to be a truth movement favorite. Is this because it is one of the least bizarre of their theories or is it because it's the best JAQing off subject? Kudos to all of you who put the time and effort in here because it may just give a few fence sitters some food for thought. Alferd Packer your post #144 was the funniest thing I've read all year.


Wel then, doesn't you and your husband just put everything to rest now? How cute.
 
Well, paint me pink & call me "Porky"!!

See. The Arabs dunnit. With their oil.
45 years ago.

Sneaky ...

No, no, it really was energy rays from space.......

..........millions of years ago.
 
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Its said, by the TM, that the towers fell at free fall speed. The spped of course as we all know is 9.2 seconds.

How fast does the 9/11 commission state it fell?

"At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds..."

Would you like your .8 seconds back?
 
How fast does the 9/11 commission state it fell?

"At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds..."

Would you like your .8 seconds back?

So you go with that, rather than timing the numerous videos for yourself? How scientific of you. How do you explain the fact that the exterior pieces were falling faster than the collapse zone? Or are you in denial of that as well?
 
So you go with that, rather than timing the numerous videos for yourself? How scientific of you. How do you explain the fact that the exterior pieces were falling faster than the collapse zone? Or are you in denial of that as well?

It's your story that you support here everyday. Is it wrong?
 
It's your story that you support here everyday. Is it wrong?


What part of the towers are you inferring that they meant by that statement?

In your oh-so-unclever interpretation, was it 10 seconds?

Or 10.0 sec?
Or 10.00 sec?
Or 10.000 sec?

Regardless of the above, there is a still a question about the precise timing.
(I believe. I haven't looked at this particular bit of nonsense in years. I cannot believe that anyone is still waving this around.)

Because there is no one answer. Because there was no one piece. There were thousands of pieces. And there was no single end point for the collapse. There was a massive, irregular, growing pile of rubble that varied from below street level to about 7 stories high.

But some pieces certainly hit in the 10 second time frame. Some certainly less. And I'd be willing to wager, some in less time than a free faling object. What the truther kids would ever-so-amusingly call "faster than free fall speed"!! "(Nope. Mr. Newton does not prohibit this in the slightest.)

But it looks like central mass around the core came down at some VARIABLE time (because it was not a single, monolithic piece, either) between 18 & 22 seconds for the two towers. With each towers "moment of impact" stretched out over ~2 seconds.

I began to say that the best analogy for this is a snow plow driving at a wall with a bunch of highly compacted, icy snow piled up in front of it. What time does the impact occur? When the icy snow hits the wall? When the plow hits the wall.

But that analogy fails too, because the leading edge of the plow is a solid, well defined surface. This is not true in the upper block of the towers.

So the best analogy is a rock slide or avalanche. And the impact time is not defined. Because the mass approaching the ground does not have a clearly defined leading edge. AND the ground that into which it is impacting does not have a clearly defined edge either. You have one wave crashing into another wave. Both waves have a distribution in space. And therefore the "time" that they collide also has a distribution over some time interval.

The end result of this is to say that "I don't care what time you say that it took to fall. If you define it as one single number (whether you say is 8 seconds, 10 seconds, 15 seconds or 20 seconds), you are wrong."

Nonetheless, I cannot believe that you are still bringing up this irrelevant piece of trivia. It demonstrates that you aren't interested in learning or observing or changing your opinion or attitude to match what is clearly observable.

You are merely interested in picking out tiny little phrase snippets and waving them around like they were gold nuggets.

And they are gold. Fool's gold.

Tom
 
So you go with that, rather than timing the numerous videos for yourself? How scientific of you. How do you explain the fact that the exterior pieces were falling faster than the collapse zone? Or are you in denial of that as well?

I should go with what? The 9/11 commission? Shouldn't I? Why not?

lol
 
What part of the towers are you inferring that they meant by that statement?

In your oh-so-unclever interpretation, was it 10 seconds?

Or 10.0 sec?
Or 10.00 sec?
Or 10.000 sec?

Regardless of the above, there is a still a question about the precise timing.
(I believe. I haven't looked at this particular bit of nonsense in years. I cannot believe that anyone is still waving this around.)

Because there is no one answer. Because there was no one piece. There were thousands of pieces. And there was no single end point for the collapse. There was a massive, irregular, growing pile of rubble that varied from below street level to about 7 stories high.

But some pieces certainly hit in the 10 second time frame. Some certainly less. And I'd be willing to wager, some in less time than a free faling object. What the truther kids would ever-so-amusingly call "faster than free fall speed"!! "(Nope. Mr. Newton does not prohibit this in the slightest.)

But it looks like central mass around the core came down at some VARIABLE time (because it was not a single, monolithic piece, either) between 18 & 22 seconds for the two towers. With each towers "moment of impact" stretched out over ~2 seconds.

I began to say that the best analogy for this is a snow plow driving at a wall with a bunch of highly compacted, icy snow piled up in front of it. What time does the impact occur? When the icy snow hits the wall? When the plow hits the wall.

But that analogy fails too, because the leading edge of the plow is a solid, well defined surface. This is not true in the upper block of the towers.

So the best analogy is a rock slide or avalanche. And the impact time is not defined. Because the mass approaching the ground does not have a clearly defined leading edge. AND the ground that into which it is impacting does not have a clearly defined edge either. You have one wave crashing into another wave. Both waves have a distribution in space. And therefore the "time" that they collide also has a distribution over some time interval.

The end result of this is to say that "I don't care what time you say that it took to fall. If you define it as one single number (whether you say is 8 seconds, 10 seconds, 15 seconds or 20 seconds), you are wrong."

Nonetheless, I cannot believe that you are still bringing up this irrelevant piece of trivia. It demonstrates that you aren't interested in learning or observing or changing your opinion or attitude to match what is clearly observable.

You are merely interested in picking out tiny little phrase snippets and waving them around like they were gold nuggets.

And they are gold. Fool's gold.

Tom

Your story that you cling to is the Fool's gold. And it says 10 seconds. Do you not believe it? How do you determine what is the truth about it and what is not? It's garbage. Get it? Tom?
 
Your story that you cling to is the Fool's gold. And it says 10 seconds. Do you not believe it? How do you determine what is the truth about it and what is not? It's garbage. Get it? Tom?
Hey Algebra34, here's an opportunity for you to improve your technical knowledge:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_figuresWP

You're welcome.
 

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