The TruthSeeker1234 $1000.00 Challenge

[Abbyas]

Now, don't sell Abby short like that, she's very talented. A debate book where Abby tears me to shreds, proves the official theory, makes jokes and entertains, and generally makes me look like a fool, and send me back down into my hole,

A book now? I agreed to your proposal, which was a debate thread. Certainly $1000 dollars to write a book is a bad deal. You know that.

 

[stateofgrace]

This is about the 100th time I've seen you make this kind of asinine insinuation, TS1234. "I see how it is. The only reason you guys wouldn't want a book is because you know the truth would finally be exposed!"

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that those arguing against conspiracy theories are, like you, far more interested in appearing to be right and possessing super-secret info than actually learning anything. There is no other explanation for your behaviour. Deliberately ignoring evidence, dodging questions, uninterested in any kind of real debate that doesn't involve as much publicity as possible. When you find evidence that appears to support you pet theory, do you leap around with delight and punch the air victoriously? Then you aren't being objective. A responsible researcher would acknowledge that he is likely to have a terrible bias, and would step back.

Of course, this probably doesn't apply to you because while you are many things, a 'researcher' you are not. If you like making up stories, become a writer. If you like making up stories and pretending they're real, become a tabloid journalist. Don't use terrible tragedies like 9/11 as a medium for your little games. It's disgusting.

bump this post because I agree with every word of it. Welcome to the forum Pythra.

 

[Stellafane]

A book now? I agreed to your proposal, which was a debate thread. Certainly $1000 dollars to write a book is a bad deal. You know that.

Good luck, Abby. As you probably saw, TS pulled the exact same crapola with me. When I agreed to his original terms, "debate" turned into "write a book." (Sort of like agreeing to do some yardwork and when you show up the homeowner says "Mow the lawn? I meant 'build my garage.'") I suspect he'll stick with you longer than he stuck with me, though. After all, you're a real girl...

 

[Triterope]

I still have not heard back from Triterope, maybe he was not serious after all.

Excuse me? I sent you a PM Thursday night, in which I indicated my desire to discuss terms.

As for the rest of it, allow me to repost what Darat (Admin) said on Page 6 of this magnum opus:

The JREF Forum is not an appropriate forum for discussing any potential commercial enterprise or soliciting support for such an enterprise.

As Forum Admin let me make it clear that any suggestion of payment for participating in a thread is not acceptable. Unless otherwise agreed in advance with the Moderating Team there are no exclusions on who can or cannot participate in any particular debate.

Further - we will not consider any requests from TruthSeeker1234 for any Mod Team "moderated threads" - these take a lot Mod Team resources and since the evidence is that TruthSeeker1234 is not interested in a reasonable discussion of his/her claims then we will not be wasting our limited resources in playing some childish game. The Forum's standard format is more then adequate to support serious and reasonable discussions.

Since Admin has clearly stated they will not go along with most of the fundamental premises of your offer, there is no reason to quibble about the particulars of it.

I counterproposed an alternative version of the project that would not involve JREF in any way. I'm still interested in doing this. But at this point it is strictly a private matter between you and I, and does not need to be discussed publicly.

Also, I'd like to apologize to the JREF mods and community if I have acted inappropriately on this thread. I felt TS' offer was intriguing, and since I am a writer by trade, I felt qualified to answer it. In retrospect, I should have realized that the offer was commercial in nature, and not appropriate for a forum of this sort. I will show better judgment in future.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

garnos was inquisitive

You also seem to have a massive misunderstanding of how science works. The evidence-supported theory can NEVER be proven correct. I could claim the whole thing was orchestrated by the Invisible Pink Unicorn, and you would never be able to prove me wrong.

How about proven beyond a reasonable doubt?

The problem, TS, is that you are all talk.

Do you have a publisher lined up? Have you even taken the idea to anybody?

Nope. I have to have my co-author in place first.

Who will be editing the book? You?

Essentially unedited, that is part of the appeal. My co-author and I can agree on the title, the sub-title, we can each write an introduction.

You really think people are going to want to buy some internet debate between you and some internet chick (with aplogies to Abby)?

Yes. It hasn't been done before. All the other material out there comes from one side or the other. A book from both sides is unique, AFAIK.

The bottom line, TS, is that Jeff Wagg gave you the O.K. to use any forum material, as long as it is properly attributed. What is the problem? Why did you ignore that question?

First, JREF have declined to allow a closed thread, which was the idea from the get go. It was a JREFer's idea, not mine. Second, more to the point, there is a legal difference between quoting in context, and republishing an entire work, and exploiting that entire republihed work for profit, and claiming an original copyright. JREF have not addressed my question, actually, and given their refusal to allow the closed thread, I consider the question closed. THe idea of a debate book is a good one, regardless of where it takes place.

Why not write a rebuttal to the 9/11 Comission Report? Let me guess - because that would require reading it?

a) That has already been done.
b) That would not be co-authored by two people on opposite sides of the debate.

You're read of the market? What, are you a market analysist too, now?

What is your job? Do you have a job?

My real identity will be revealed soon enough. I have given clues. I don't have a "job" exactly, rather I must continually look for new jobs all the time. I'm 46 years old, and have managed to do quite well for myself and my family. Mackey says he lives in the "armpit of LA". We live in a rather nice part of LA, the Sepulveda Pass area.

I have said that considering abby is a comedian, this would make her and me about equally qualified to debate this subject.

 

[juryjone]

My real identity will be revealed soon enough. I have given clues.

Oh, thank you, Ghost-Who-Walks. I'm sure we will all be brought to our knees when confronted with your true identity.

I'm peeing myself in anticipation.

 

[chipmunk stew]

My real identity will be revealed soon enough. I have given clues. I don't have a "job" exactly, rather I must continually look for new jobs all the time. I'm 46 years old, and have managed to do quite well for myself and my family. Mackey says he lives in the "armpit of LA". We live in a rather nice part of LA, the Sepulveda Pass area.

I have said that considering abby is a comedian, this would make her and me about equally qualified to debate this subject.

Why do so many of you Truthers play this guessing game?

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Why do so many of you Truthers play this guessing game? [About treu identity]

I originally intended just to remain anonymous. But reading posts I discovered there was great interest and speculation around here for who I "really" was. I'm not at all ashamed of who I really am, so I might as well reveal it. I'm nobody famous or important. My name appears on the Scholars website, and one of my 9/11 works has been linked to in other recent articles by researchers.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Yes, I do now have a note in my box from Triterope.

 

[Matthew Best]

I'm not at all ashamed of who I really am, so I might as well reveal it.

Waiting.

 

[tsig]

Bragging

I could link you to a pair of long articles I wrote and got published two years ago, on Austrian Economics and the Ferderal Reserve System and Money, but then you would know who I really am, and that would spoil the fun.

Yeh, and I could point to my 1000 peer-reviewed articles covering everything from quantum physics to no-natal care. If I had any.

More bragging.

Nothing but ego here people, move along, move along.

 

[R.Mackey]

I originally intended just to remain anonymous. But reading posts I discovered there was great interest and speculation around here for who I "really" was. I'm not at all ashamed of who I really am, so I might as well reveal it. I'm nobody famous or important. My name appears on the Scholars website, and one of my 9/11 works has been linked to in other recent articles by researchers.

I will confess to indulging in some speculation, since your arguments, idioms, and manner are pretty consistent with several other people who've come here. Other than linking you to another "internet personality," though, it doesn't really matter. You may be unrelated to all of them, merely acting the same. You may remain anonymous if you wish.

If you have a whitepaper, why not bring it up?

And are you going to debate, or no?

 

[tsig]

From the above post, I'm guessing he's a sociologist. Or more likely someone who took a few sociology classes. Certainly not an economist.


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Shes's lying.

If you think TS has written anything of value at any time, then I have some ocen-front property in Louisiana for sale.

So far I have not seen a single truthful statement come from "Truth"seeker.

 

[tsig]

Actually, the Spanish scholastics were doing better economics than Smith, a hundred years before him. Smith was correct with his invisible hand theorem, that market actors can't help but benefit others while seeking their own gain; but Smith blundered badly with his "labor theory of value".

In the 1870's Carl Menger solved the value problem by discovering "marginalist" thinking, originating the Austrian school.

Abby, with microeconomics there is pretty widespread agreement - prices are determined by supply and demand, etc. Not so with macro-phenomenone like inflation, unemployment and the business cycle. This is where the Austrian school is totally different from mainstream econ. Mainstream econ attempts to explain these things "From the top down" by way of higher mathematices. Austrians completely reject the mathematics of economics, viewing it as a fundamentally philosophical discipline. Austrians use a "bottom up " approach, as I mentioned earlier. Austrians believe that by starting with a priori axioms, all of economics, including money, inflation, unemployment, the business cycle, can be derived logically.

I would point out that the formulas of mainstream economics have been an abysmmal failure at predicting anything. I would also point out that Ludwig von Mises and Hayek wrote extensively during 1926-1928 of the coming depression, basing their prediciton on Mises' Theory of Money and Credit, and noticing the huge expansion of credit and artificially low interest rates that prevailed at that time. Austrians also predicited the dot com bust as well.

Sorry to go on, but I have a passion for economics. Somebody asked how it ties into 9/11. It doens't help much with the physics, but central banking goes a long way toward explaining how those in charge can obtain essentially unlimited funding for all sorts of projects (like war) that customers on the market would never buy.

We could barely see your feet move you are tap-dancing so fast.

 

[tsig]

I will confess to indulging in some speculation, since your arguments, idioms, and manner are pretty consistent with several other people who've come here. Other than linking you to another "internet personality," though, it doesn't really matter. You may be unrelated to all of them, merely acting the same. You may remain anonymous if you wish.

If you have a whitepaper, why not bring it up?

And are you going to debate, or no?

You know BS549 is not here for a debate, but a dance.

The game is to run up the post count, then run away claiming that no one from the JREF could beat him. His cronies will ignore the Blood and bruises and proclaim him a champion and hero.

 

[stateofgrace]

I originally intended just to remain anonymous. But reading posts I discovered there was great interest and speculation around here for who I "really" was. I'm not at all ashamed of who I really am, so I might as well reveal it. I'm nobody famous or important. My name appears on the Scholars website, and one of my 9/11 works has been linked to in other recent articles by researchers.

Right get these TS. I will say it S......L......O......W.....L......Y.

I DO NOT CARE WHO YOU ARE.I could not care less; you could be King ZABRIA from planet ZOG for all I care.

Let me also take the time to explain your role here. It is to provide evidence of the "inside Job", not to broker a book deal nor shamelessly promote yourself. It is bad enough you are promoting garbage.

Now take a tip, cut the ego stroking and bragging and offer up what you have got. I am getting rather tired of seeing how important you feel you are. You are not important; you are a conspirator, making silly claims about a dreadful terrorist attack.

It as been asked of you before. Put up or shut up.

 

[MRC_Hans]

You know BS549 is not here for a debate, but a dance.

The game is to run up the post count, then run away claiming that no one from the JREF could beat him. His cronies will ignore the Blood and bruises and proclaim him a champion and hero.

Yeah, in some ways, internet debates are like cartoons: You can get run over by a steam-roller, blown up by dynamite, and put through a meat-grinder, and after a few frames, you're walking again, no blood, no scars.

In a real fight, TS123½ would now be in Intensive Care, in deep coma, with hardly a whole bone in his body, but here he can just say: "Its only a flesh wound, come back here, I can still bite'ya!" and keep repeating his silly mantras.

Of course, what he can't do is avoid being pathetic.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

*snip*
Now take a tip, cut the ego stroking and bragging and offer up what you have got.
*snip*

Ehr, he did. Offered what he got.

Right. That was all he had.

Hans

 

[tsig]

Now, don't sell Abby short like that, she's very talented. A debate book where Abby tears me to shreds, proves the official theory, makes jokes and entertains, and generally makes me look like a fool, and send me back down into my hole,

Cmon, you guys would pay for that!

We don't have to pay for it, it's been provided free of charge right here.

Trying to make money off the blood are we?

That's DA's part of the street, think he's got the market covered.

 

[stateofgrace]

Ehr, he did. Offered what he got.

Right. That was all he had.

Hans

Sorry I forget,the circle just keeps going round and round and round and....................