I use this thread for teaching purposes. It's amazing how quickly young minds pick apart KK's nonsense. I rarely have to unpack anything.
M.
The Truth of Christianity vs. All Other Belief Systems
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I use this thread for teaching purposes. It's amazing how quickly young minds pick apart KK's nonsense. I rarely have to unpack anything.
M.
Hi, Kathy
I can understand your puzzlement. You rely a lot on what you have been taught. This includes the idea that you are extending a helping hand when you offer to share your mystical experiences with others.
But to people who don't believe that there is any truth behind mystical experiences, your offer to share these experiences sounds childlike.
Which is not necessarily a bad thing. Children are charming.
But just so you'll know, we are not rejecting YOU. We are rejecting the notion that your mystical experiences have any meaning in OUR lives.
So I suggest your message should be more subtle. Show us your inner light. Don't tell us about it.
Because when you try and TELL us that you have an inner light, we think you sound sanctimonious.
But if you SHOW us your inner light, we will love you.
I can understand your puzzlement. You rely a lot on what you have been taught. This includes the idea that you are extending a helping hand when you offer to share your mystical experiences with others.
But to people who don't believe that there is any truth behind mystical experiences, your offer to share these experiences sounds childlike.
Which is not necessarily a bad thing. Children are charming.
But just so you'll know, we are not rejecting YOU. We are rejecting the notion that your mystical experiences have any meaning in OUR lives.
So I suggest your message should be more subtle. Show us your inner light. Don't tell us about it.
Because when you try and TELL us that you have an inner light, we think you sound sanctimonious.
But if you SHOW us your inner light, we will love you.
Roadtoad
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RT and Ladiwig,
I concede your point. I had missed the CD stuff quoted in Ladiwig's 1195. I'll admit my inadequacy to the task of salvaging a mind that could generate stuff like that.
All the best,
Keith
Don't be so hard on yourself. In my own case, I was every bit as deluded. The key, however, is that I chose to step away from irrationality and towards critical thought. That's something only CD can do for himself.
kurious_kathy
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Okay showing others the light is what's important here, but how do you suppose I do that on a forum like jref? I could share what I have found with everyone till the day I die but it's up to them to have ears to hear and receive the love of God's truth. Jesus is the only truth I have ever found that really matters but most of you here on jref don't believe in him and I do not know what I could ever say or do that could help you want to change your mind.
Oh that I hope and pray God would open all of your hearts and eyes the way he has opened mine but it's not my gift to give, it's Gods gift for you if you'll ask and receive him. The true miracle in this life is his wonderful gift of salvation!
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Have you considered spending your proselytizing time with folks that you understand? If you don't know how to speak to us then targeting people with whom you can communicate seems a much better strategy. Doesn't it?
Hokulele
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You could actually listen to what some people here have to say and try to engage in a dialog, rather than another childish sermon.
KarlG
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This is the big problem though Kathy, we don't believe there is a god to ask. It's like asking you to open your heart to Allah and hear his truth. You say "ask and you'll receive him", but that takes an already established belief. You have to believe in god to ask him to hear you. If you don't believe in god already, why ask? We don't accept the basic premise that there is anyone listening.
There are some here who were deeply religious for years before becoming atheists, however, they slowly realised that the things they were asking god for, just weren't happening. This led them to question the whole shebang and eventually let go of the belief.
We understand that things have happened to you that have lead you to believe that god saved you. How do you explain the people of other faiths (or no faith) that have turned their life around on their own, the way you did with your belief in god?
RoboTimbo
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I thought what was important here was to provide evidence of the truth of Christianity? Your post appears to be spam.
Ok
Well you have been told what you could do before:you could engage with people on their terms.
There are lots of people here, Kathy. Every now and then they share something very personal. Sometimes those things are joyful: sometimes they are sad and painful. Those things are real and they are important. And most of the people here give of their best in sharing that joy: hearing that tragedy.
There is not much we can do for each other on a board: but people do what they can. Except you. You give us platitudes which are cut to one size for every situation. It is not kind: it is not impressive: and it does not show you have gained anything from your much vaunted religious experience.
From where I am sitting you have lost all the things which make a good human being and I see no reason to listen to you, because I do not want what you have. When I read some of the threads I mentioned I am sometimes very moved by the wise and caring things people find to say: and I do want what they have. Humanity.
You come off as callous KK. It is not to do with your religion: there are many who are religious who are far from callous and they are liked and respected on this board. Why don't you watch what they do if you cannot work it out for yourself?
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It's not the God part of God's truth that concerns me, it's the truth part. But you're not pitching the truth part--you're just pitching the God part. And it's not even a pitch for the true God, really--it's a pitch for the God you believe in.
All of the arrows to your pitch don't point precisely to the truth of the matter, or a means of finding out what is true, but rather, they point precisely to the thing we are supposed to believe to be true.
You're pitching belief, not truth.
I've no problems accepting God's truth on one condition--that it actually be truth. If it's not, I have no use for it. In fact, I'm morally obligated to reject it--especially for a god that requires special pleadings to be thought of as moral in the first place.
If you want to sell me on God, pitch the truth--and by that, I mean pitch the truth--don't just sprinkle the word truth in the pitch. Sell me on the fact that it is true.
And I'm not buying beliefs today, thank you.
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I already changed my mind.
What you believe is foolishness. If you stay here long enough, perhaps your eyes may be opened, your mind may be changed.
One can only hope.
Elizabeth I
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...and you could actually do what you say you will do. You know, like if you say you will read and comment on a book, you could actually read and comment on the book.
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So, then according to you God selectively reveals himself to some and not others. In other words, the free will argument is meaningless and god chooses who will go to heaven and who doesn't.
Do you mean to make god sound like a freakishly vindictive spoiled rich girl organizing her "sweet sixteen" party?
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Yes and you have just had God revealed to you. How do you choose? Let's say for the next five minutes, the normal rule is suspended, and you will have a period of grace where you can choose. If you choose not to choose, you have missed the window, and you go back to having no freedom of choice.
How is it going?
Now you have four and a half minutes.
. . . . . . .
Did that help, or change anything?
Why should you complain if God chooses you or not?
Would it be out of concern for someone else, a hypothetical person who you think it would be nice to think they might have some sort of say-so. Why care about them when God probably chose them anyway and did not bother consulting you about it.
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Do you have a Bible? And if so have you ever read it??
kurious_kathy
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I wouldn't put it that way. It's more like the parable Jesus told us in Matthew 22 as many are invited but few are chosen. Jesus is the one who choses, not us.
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So, kind of like a cattle call.
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