The Truth of Christianity vs. All Other Belief Systems

[Lucian]

Okay so why is it so much easier for most of you to give my experience a diagnosis without considering that it could very well be a supernatural experience that God willed me to have to stir up my spirit to want to share Christ with others more so they can avoid going to hell? And what if this had happened to you? If this experience I had happened to you I do not think you could even try to deny the reality of hell!

And again I'll stand to share what I know that Christ is the truth and he is the one who makes himself known to those who put their trust in him. I am here to testify to the truth of the gospel that Jesus is who he claimed to be, he is the messiah and savior of the whole world!!

I'm confused. I thought this was a conversion experience--that is, you put your trust in him after he made himself known to you. Does he only convert the already converted?

 

[wollery]

Okay so why is it so much easier for most of you to give my experience a diagnosis without considering that it could very well be a supernatural experience that God willed me to have to stir up my spirit to want to share Christ with others more so they can avoid going to hell? And what if this had happened to you? If this experience I had happened to you I do not think you could even try to deny the reality of hell!

Perhaps you missed Roadtoad's reply. He's experienced the exact same thing. So have I as a matter of fact. It was very scary at the time, but not having been brought up in a religious household I didn't attribute it to God, I knew it was my brain playing silly beggars.

Lots of people experience it. You attribute it to God because that's your pre-existing bias.

And again I'll stand to share what I know that Christ is the truth and he is the one who makes himself known to those who put their trust in him. I am here to testify to the truth of the gospel that Jesus is who he claimed to be, he is the messiah and savior of the whole world!!

No, that's what you believe, not what you know. Read a dictionary, I think you'll be surprised.

 

[fromdownunder]

Okay so why is it so much easier for most of you to give my experience a diagnosis without considering that it could very well be a supernatural experience that God willed me to have to stir up my spirit to want to share Christ with others more so they can avoid going to hell?

The answer is pretty simple.

If God existed, and was competent, He would be smart enough not to choose somebody like you to pass on His message. He would have picked somebody who knew what they were talking about, and be capable of empathy and participating in discussion, and actually achieving something. What is your success rate here or anywhere? The real God would have known that your efforts do not meet any standards, that you are incompetent at preaching, and that you would fail.

Therefore your experience could not have been from an all knowing omni-everything God. Maybe it really was Satan that deluded you. After all, the Bible does suggest that the very elect (which you consider yourself) can be tempted to follow false prophets, and the names of those who do so will be removed from the Book of Life.

Be afraid Kathy, be very afraid.

Norm

 

[Legend]

Jesus is hot.

Alex.

 

[joobz]

Okay so why is it so much easier for most of you to give my experience a diagnosis without considering that it could very well be a supernatural experience that God willed me to have to stir up my spirit to want to share Christ with others more so they can avoid going to hell? And what if this had happened to you? If this experience I had happened to you I do not think you could even try to deny the reality of hell!

Because.....

So, you believe in Jesus becuase god gave you a personal expereince of hell?

Let's pretend that your experience is real and that god did, indeed, give you that special insight. DOn't you think that's a bit unfair? I never had that experience. I'm willing to bet that the billions of people haven't. Yet, god gave you special insight into what awaits us, protecting you from such pain.

Yet, God must not care about everyone else, since they aren't given that special insight. We must rely on people like yourself to tell us the truth. That we have to assume that you are being honest. Despite the fact that you've lied multiple times about multiple things.

So, If I was to believe your story as true (not whether you believe it true or not), I'd say it's further proof of god's evil. He rejoices in torment and breeds conflict. If he really wanted to save us all from the torment that he created, than he'd reveal the future like he supposedly revealed it to you.


Well done, KK. Your witnessing has helped prove to more people that your god is evil.

You subscribe to an evil world view.

 

[Ducky]

Why do you all continue to feed this troll?

 

[joobz]

Why do you all continue to feed this troll?

I bought a 50lb bag of troll feed last christmas, and I'm simply trying to get rid of it.

 

[Marcus]

Okay so why is it so much easier for most of you to give my experience a diagnosis without considering that it could very well be a supernatural experience

What is more likely, that the common phenomenon you experienced is a product of well known brain chemistry, or that magically in your case it was actually supernatural? I guess we know your answer, you won't find many here that agree with you.

 

[Marcus]

Why do you all continue to feed this troll?

Everyone needs a hobby.

 

[joemailman]

Amazing

It's simply amazing that so many people pay so much attention to the nonsense expressed at the beginning of 1189 posts. Religion is actually a part and parcel of this utterly iron age philosophy that so many millions of humans think they hold so closely to be the truth but by which they operate their lives with the tools of the 21st century. I've never even heard of a christian that would give up their 21st century tools for the ones that their so-called savior operated his life with (if he indeed actually existed at all which I seriously doubt). Riding on an ass is far different than riding in a Prius. Get my drift?

How utterly silly these people are!

 

[Ladewig]

Why do you all continue to feed this troll?

I consider a troll to be someone who says things he or she doesn't believe in order to provoke an emotional response from people on a message board. KK really believes this stuff and cannot be classified as a troll. That makes it all the worse for us. Trolls eventually tire and move on; true believers sometimes stay forever.



ETA: I have no problem with people treating her as if she were a troll (ignoring her or posting photos of kittens).

 

[scimystic]

You're actually expecting one? Please...

I thought it at least a possibility. From his long opening post CD seemed to be one of those theists of the Dembski/Plantinga ilk (i.e., who believe their position to have at least some rational legitimacy). I think that there is some hope of curing these.

BR,

Keith

 

[Paulhoff]

true believers sometimes stay forever.

No, KK will be completely gone one day, no more, and no where.

Paul

 

[Roadtoad]

I thought it at least a possibility. From his long opening post CD seemed to be one of those theists of the Dembski/Plantinga ilk (i.e., who believe their position to have at least some rational legitimacy). I think that there is some hope of curing these.

BR,

Keith

Too bad you missed the pruning. I was one, too. At some point, yes, wisdom and critical thinking entered in, and I began to figure it out. But for most, that takes a while.

HOWEVER: CD is not one you're going to cure. The corruption runs to the core.

 

[Ladewig]

I thought it at least a possibility. From his long opening post CD seemed to be one of those theists of the Dembski/Plantinga ilk (i.e., who believe their position to have at least some rational legitimacy). I think that there is some hope of curing these.

No. There is not. Please read this post found on page 3 of this thread.

Lets start with pi. I will quote Chuck Missler for this answer because his explanation is the definitive one. “The huge cast bronze basin in 1 Kings 7:23 was 10 cubits1 in diameter and its circumference was 30 cubits, which is mathematically inaccurate. Almost any schoolboy knows that the circumference of a circle is not the diameter times 3, but rather, the diameter times a well-known constant called "pi".
The real value of pi is 3.14159265358979, but is commonly approximated by 22/7.
This is assumed, by many, to be an "error" in the Old Testament record, and is often presented as a skeptical rebuttal to the "inerrancy" of the Scripture. How can we say that the Bible is inerrant when it contains such an obvious geometrically incorrect statement? How do we deal with this?
The common word for circumference is qav. Here, however, the spelling of the word for circumference, qaveh, adds a heh (h).
In the Hebrew Bible, the scribes did not alter any text which they felt had been copied incorrectly. Rather, they noted in the margin what they thought the written text should be. The written variation is called a kethiv; and the marginal annotation is called the qere.
To the ancient scribes, this was also regarded as a remez, a hint of something deeper. This appears to be the clue to treat the word as a mathematical formula.
The Hebrew alphabet is alphanumeric: each Hebrew letter also has a numerical value and can be used as a number.
The q has a value of 100; the v has a value of 6; thus, the normal spelling would yield a numerical value of 106. The addition of the h, with a value of 5, increases the numerical value to 111. This indicates an adjustment of the ratio 111/106, or 31.41509433962 cubits. Assuming that a cubit was 1.5 ft.,3 this 15-foot-wide bowl would have had a circumference of 47.12388980385 feet.
This Hebrew "code" results in 47.12264150943 feet, or an error of less than 15 thousandths of an inch! (This error is 15 times better than the 22/7 estimate that we were accustomed to using in school!) How did they accomplish this? This accuracy would seem to vastly exceed the precision of their instrumentation. How would they know this? How was it encoded into the text?”

 

[Hokulele]

Okay so why is it so much easier for most of you to give my experience a diagnosis without considering that it could very well be a supernatural experience that God willed me to have to stir up my spirit to want to share Christ with others more so they can avoid going to hell? And what if this had happened to you? If this experience I had happened to you I do not think you could even try to deny the reality of hell!

Why do you assume this hasn't happened to me? Remember, I recognized what you were talking about as soon as I read it, and provided links describing the phenomenon and how often it occurs:

It occurs frequently in about 6% of the rest of the population, and occurs occasionally in 60%

Also note:

Hypnagogic phenomena may be interpreted as visions, prophesies, premonitions, apparitions and inspiration (artistic or divine), depending on the experiencers’ beliefs and those of their culture.

Face it, you are not special.

And again I'll stand to share what I know that Christ is the truth and he is the one who makes himself known to those who put their trust in him. I am here to testify to the truth of the gospel that Jesus is who he claimed to be, he is the messiah and savior of the whole world!!

And again, I will state that you act as if you are afraid to face the reality of your beliefs. You flee from information that runs counter to what you wish to be true. You antagonize rather than enlighten. You refuse to enter into a discussion, but prefer to hide behind trite soundbites.

And you wonder why so few people on this forum find your posts helpful, whether they be atheist, Christian, Jewish, pagan, or anything else. Sad, really.

 

[Hokulele]

Why do you all continue to feed this troll?

Because, for some unknown reason, she seems to read my posts (note, read, not understand), and she often responds to what I am saying. I am not sure why she will ignore others to respond to me, I am not really saying anything different, but as long as she keeps reading them, I am willing to post reasonable explanations for what she claims, and reasonable responses to her nastier accusations^*. If nothing else, maybe someone in this thread learned something about hypnagogia and sleep paralysis, and are now better equipped to discuss these types of visions with people who do not understand.




* -Of course, I am not as good at it as Roadtoad.

 

[slingblade]

I think she responds to me on the rare occasions she does, because I used to be her, and have said so. She may think she can lure me back to the god side. Unfortunately for her, I'd have to lose my mind entire to go back there.

 

[Lrrr]

Jesus will make himself know without doing anything to you, and that is a good thing. False gods scare people and are really demons who will do things like posses people and make them do bad things.

Are you saying that Kathy was visited by demons and is now possessed and performing evil? If so, you are my new favorite believer.

 

[slingblade]

Jesus will make himself know without doing anything to you, and that is a good thing. False gods scare people and are really demons who will do things like posses people and make them do bad things.

Somehow, demon possession and free will just don't seem to jibe.

How could a god give humans the ability to choose (free will, simplified) and then allow other beings to possess and control them against their own free will?