The Truth about RFK Jr

[Flo]

I don't think they're trying to kill children, but I suspect they will actually manage to murder far more kids by being so incredibly and desperately stupid and incompetent, than they would ever manage, if they actually tried

Do you really think they are unaware of at least some of the consequences of their policies and decisions ? Even if RFKJr is, as Bruto said, a deluded junkie, he's been confronted often enough by competent advisers and critics who did point them to him, and he has deliberately decided not to take them into account.
He and the dingbats who have taken over the health dept know that a lot of people, children and adults alike, will die due to their greed, and especially for their thirst for revenge against a scientific establishment that has rightfully considered them as quacks and frauds, and consequently refused them the glory and preeminence they feel they are entitled to.

 

[Helen]

Maybe you're right, all of you, and there are certainly those who ought to know better, so in that sense they are of course guilty, but I was thinking of RFKjr, and I think he's convinced that he knows what is best - that kind of arrogance, coupled with the power he has been given, is certainly going to result in many, many avoidable deaths, but I don't think that is what he envisions. But it's hard to read his mind, and I'm far from certain that I would enjoy thst particular reading experience, even if I could. ..

 

[bruto]

Maybe you're right, all of you, and there are certainly those who ought to know better, so in that sense they are of course guilty, but I was thinking of RFKjr, and I think he's convinced that he knows what is best - that kind of arrogance, coupled with the power he has been given, is certainly going to result in many, many avoidable deaths, but I don't think that is what he envisions. But it's hard to read his mind, and I'm far from certain that I would enjoy thst particular reading experience, even if I could. ..

That's basically what I said, though it excuses him only on one level. As for reading his mind, I think you'd get better results from the dregs at the bottom of your teacup.

 

[Helen]

That's basically what I said, though it excuses him only on one level. As for reading his mind, I think you'd get better results from the dregs at the bottom of your teacup.

Much of the time I can't even read my own mind, so I agree; there's not much hope when it comes to reading his, tea or no tea... But he seems like a true believer to me. True believers tend to be dangerous, and often able to convince others with the sheer force of their passion, sadly. All of which wouldn't have mattered, if it weren't for the fact that the rest of the clown show doesn't seem to give a ◊◊◊◊ about healthcare, and the avoidable suffering and death of far too many.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Kennedy's own family pleaded for the US public to NOT vote him into positions of power, because they know what a nutcase he has become. They know he is incapable of rational thought and decision-making nowadays. He may well have been considerate and capable in his earlier years as an environmental lawyer. But the rubber bands have come off all the wheels in his mind now. That makes him incapable of doing the incisive thinking that should have prevented him associating with the likes of the alt-med anti-vaxx people who surround him now. They are ghouls who suck up to him without a sign of a scruple; he thinks they are great because they "totally agree" with his head-full-of-butterflies notions. So the US health is now entrusted to a bunch of gypsy-cart snake-oil grifters and an aging space-cadet crackpot. That's bad for US kids, but the results will only become clear further down the track: More children will die unnecessarily.

However it was primarily DOGE that killed US aid overseas. And that's what is leading to tens of thousands of children dying now who should not have. So, while Kennedy and krue may not be directly responsible for that, their indifference to children's health generally definitely feeds into the narrative that they don't care a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ jot about any children at all. None of the Trump admin care either. Health care is simply optional for Americans. It's not a "constitutional right" like having a gun or "freedumb" or ICE. And non-American health is entirely off their radar. Non-Americans can just die, for all they care. And that means kids too.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Alzheimer's research is only done by the NIH in the USA apparently

RFK Jr.: "We should have the cure for Alzheimer’s today. We don’t have it PURELY because of corruption at NIH. And we are going to have it quickly."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021693222720860584

 

[lionking]

Maybe you're right, all of you, and there are certainly those who ought to know better, so in that sense they are of course guilty, but I was thinking of RFKjr, and I think he's convinced that he knows what is best - that kind of arrogance, coupled with the power he has been given, is certainly going to result in many, many avoidable deaths, but I don't think that is what he envisions. But it's hard to read his mind, and I'm far from certain that I would enjoy thst particular reading experience, even if I could. ..

I think knows that children will die, but I believe he thinks they are collateral damage on the road to his fantasy where children will develop natural immunity to simply everything and future US generations will be stronger and healthier.

This is the true evil of RFKjr.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... This isn’t harmless wellness talk. People with serious mental illness are listening.

People with serious mental illnesses are talking.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

The FDA refused to review Moderna's application for a mRNA-based flu vaccine. The refusal is based upon which vaccine Moderna should have used as their control. IIRC Moderna stated that they worked with the FDA in their choice. At In the Pipeline medicinal chemist Derek Lowe wrote, "Stat reported today that Prasad overruled others at the agency, who were ready to begin the review, although HHS denies that this was the case. Of course they do. But Prasad signed the rejection letter personally, which is also something I’ve never heard of before, so draw your own conclusions...And let’s get real here: this application is being denied, personally by Vinay Prasad and against the recommendation of the FDA’s remaining experts, because he and the rest of the Trump administration are hostile to vaccines in general and to mRNA technology in particular. I don’t see how anyone can look at the statements and actions of the political appointees (from RFK Jr. on down) and come away with any other impression. We are deliberately walking away from the most advanced form of one of the most effective public health measures available to the human race, and instead we are investigated older technologies that happen to involve the administration’s friends. Meanwhile, mRNA therapies are under investigation - in more advanced parts of the world - for far more than vaccines, including various types of cancer. But we, on the other hand, seem to be plowing money into ivermectin (of all things) for that purpose."

CIDRAP also covered this story. "Vaccine companies generally work with clear, well-established expectations of the kinds of studies considered acceptable by the FDA, Peter Hotez, MD, PhD, of Baylor College of Medicine, tells CIDRAP News. “There was a commitment,” he said, adding that to “string Moderna along and all of a sudden say, nope, we’re not going to even review it” risks undermining confidence in FDA processes. The decision, Hotez warned, could “have an immediate chilling effect on the vaccine industry.” Vaccine makers may start to reassess whether to invest in US-based vaccine development if regulatory expectations shift late in the process. The FDA "changed their mind," about whether Moderna could use a standard-dose flu shot in the trial, Paul Offit, MD, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, said, "which is really not fair.""

 

[Chris_Halkides]

KFF Health News reported, "The National Cancer Institute, the federal research agency charged with leading the war against the nation’s second-largest killer, is studying ivermectin as a potential cancer treatment, according to its top official...“I am shocked and appalled,” one NCI scientist said. “We are moving funds away from so much promising research in order to do a preclinical study based on nonscientific ideas. It’s absurd.”...The scientist questioned whether there is enough initial evidence to warrant NCI’s spending of taxpayer funds to investigate the drug’s potential as a cancer treatment.

They continued, "“Many, many, many things work in a test tube. Quite a few things work in a mouse or a monkey. It still doesn’t mean it’s going to work in people,” said Jeffery Edenfield, executive medical director of oncology for the South Carolina-based Prisma Health Cancer Institute. Edenfield said cancer patients ask him about ivermectin “regularly,” mostly because of what they see on social media. He said he persuaded a patient to stop using it, and a colleague recently had a patient who decided “to forgo highly effective standard therapy in favor of ivermectin”...On a January 2025 episode of Joe Rogan’s podcast, actor Mel Gibson claimed that a combination of drugs that included ivermectin cured three friends with stage 4 cancer. The episode has been viewed more than 12 million times."

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I don't think they're trying to kill children, but I suspect they will actually manage to murder far more kids by being so incredibly and desperately stupid and incompetent, than they would ever manage, if they actually tried

I agree. They don't literally want to kill children but what they have is a deeply held gut distrust of real medical science and they will seize any excuse not to use it. Children will inevitably die as a result, and that is a price they are entirely willing to pay.

 

[shemp]

It's easy to pay a price when you're not the one paying it.

 

[Resume]

Alzheimer's research is only done by the NIH in the USA apparently

RFK Jr.: "We should have the cure for Alzheimer’s today. We don’t have it PURELY because of corruption at NIH. And we are going to have it quickly."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021693222720860584

STFU, you lying, worm-brained, sociopathic dickhead.

When will we be rid of this dangerous moron? Isn't it time for a warm-up impeachment?

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Scott Gavura, a regular writer at Science-Based Medicine, discussed how state legislators are politicizing science. He wrote, "One of the most obvious examples is the renewed push to weaken or eliminate school immunization requirements. Bills introduced or advanced in multiple states in 2025 (350 of them in 43 states, by AP’s count) target vaccines in different ways: from expanding non-medical exemptions, removing or weakening mandates, instituting waiting periods, or even requiring blood banks to test for evidence of vaccinations. Two Minnesota bills even call mRNA vaccines “weapons of mass destruction”!" One of my most recent comments (#3349) deals with mRNA vaccine policy at the national level.

 

[Planigale]

The FDA refused to review Moderna's application for a mRNA-based flu vaccine. The refusal is based upon which vaccine Moderna should have used as their control. IIRC Moderna stated that they worked with the FDA in their choice. At In the Pipeline medicinal chemist Derek Lowe wrote, "Stat reported today that Prasad overruled others at the agency, who were ready to begin the review, although HHS denies that this was the case. Of course they do. But Prasad signed the rejection letter personally, which is also something I’ve never heard of before, so draw your own conclusions...And let’s get real here: this application is being denied, personally by Vinay Prasad and against the recommendation of the FDA’s remaining experts, because he and the rest of the Trump administration are hostile to vaccines in general and to mRNA technology in particular. I don’t see how anyone can look at the statements and actions of the political appointees (from RFK Jr. on down) and come away with any other impression. We are deliberately walking away from the most advanced form of one of the most effective public health measures available to the human race, and instead we are investigated older technologies that happen to involve the administration’s friends. Meanwhile, mRNA therapies are under investigation - in more advanced parts of the world - for far more than vaccines, including various types of cancer. But we, on the other hand, seem to be plowing money into ivermectin (of all things) for that purpose."

CIDRAP also covered this story. "Vaccine companies generally work with clear, well-established expectations of the kinds of studies considered acceptable by the FDA, Peter Hotez, MD, PhD, of Baylor College of Medicine, tells CIDRAP News. “There was a commitment,” he said, adding that to “string Moderna along and all of a sudden say, nope, we’re not going to even review it” risks undermining confidence in FDA processes. The decision, Hotez warned, could “have an immediate chilling effect on the vaccine industry.” Vaccine makers may start to reassess whether to invest in US-based vaccine development if regulatory expectations shift late in the process. The FDA "changed their mind," about whether Moderna could use a standard-dose flu shot in the trial, Paul Offit, MD, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, said, "which is really not fair.""

Although less publicised the change in policy around standard flu vaccines is more worrying, if instituted it will effectively deny Americans effective flu vaccines.

Background
Flu shifts its nature continually, this means that last years vaccine may not be effective against this years flu virus. Every year (actually twice a year for both winters) WHO organises a meeting where people try and predict what next years flu virus will be like. The flu vaccine companies then have a few months to produce vaccines against the predicted virus types. The vaccines are approved if they are an approved vaccine which has been modified to immunise against the predicted virus types, and has been shown to generate neutralising antibodies against the predicted virus types in test subjects. All this is on an amazingly tight schedule to produce millions of vaccine doses within a few months.

Problem
CDC has said that rather than relying on testing for antibody production and effectiveness flu vaccines will need to show clinical effect in trials. This type of study looking at illnesses and deaths takes much longer, and can only be done once winter comes. By the time the vaccine has been tested, that years flu will have been and gone, so an effective vaccine will always be at least a year behind the vaccine being used elsewhere. The trials will be hugely expensive putting up the cost of vaccines. The rest of the world won't want to pay inflated prices because CDC insist on a n inappropriate and over expensive approval process. Trump will insist on paying the same price as the rest of the world. The rest of the world is a much bigger market than the US. So either the US gets no vaccine, or very expensive vaccines that no one else buys because they are a year behind.

Consequence
Increased flu deaths predominantly in the frail and elderly, but affecting all demographics. Increased (unnecessary) cost burden on the US health care system.

 

[bruto]

It's easy to pay a price when you're not the one paying it.

Right. I don't want to kill children. That's God's job. I'm just making sure we don't usurp it.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Although less publicised the change in policy around standard flu vaccines is more worrying, if instituted it will effectively deny Americans effective flu vaccines.

Background
Flu shifts its nature continually, this means that last years vaccine may not be effective against this years flu virus. Every year (actually twice a year for both winters) WHO organises a meeting where people try and predict what next years flu virus will be like. The flu vaccine companies then have a few months to produce vaccines against the predicted virus types. The vaccines are approved if they are an approved vaccine which has been modified to immunise against the predicted virus types, and has been shown to generate neutralising antibodies against the predicted virus types in test subjects. All this is on an amazingly tight schedule to produce millions of vaccine doses within a few months.

Problem
CDC has said that rather than relying on testing for antibody production and effectiveness flu vaccines will need to show clinical effect in trials. This type of study looking at illnesses and deaths takes much longer, and can only be done once winter comes. By the time the vaccine has been tested, that years flu will have been and gone, so an effective vaccine will always be at least a year behind the vaccine being used elsewhere. The trials will be hugely expensive putting up the cost of vaccines. The rest of the world won't want to pay inflated prices because CDC insist on a n inappropriate and over expensive approval process. Trump will insist on paying the same price as the rest of the world. The rest of the world is a much bigger market than the US. So either the US gets no vaccine, or very expensive vaccines that no one else buys because they are a year behind.

Consequence
Increased flu deaths predominantly in the frail and elderly, but affecting all demographics. Increased (unnecessary) cost burden on the US health care system.

Information and practice that has been in place for the last 80 years.

History of influenza vaccination

We know now that influenza, or flu, is caused by a virus – but for many years it was thought to be caused by a bacterial infection. In 1892, German scientist Richard Pfeiffer isolated a small bacterium from the noses of patients with flu, naming it ‘bacillus influenzae’.

www.who.int

 

[Norman Alexander]

Alzheimer's research is only done by the NIH in the USA apparently

RFK Jr.: "We should have the cure for Alzheimer’s today. We don’t have it PURELY because of corruption at NIH. And we are going to have it quickly."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021693222720860584

Your current president should be the first guinea-pig patient. Just sayin'...