The Truth about RFK Jr

At the Kaiser Family Foundation newsletter Stephanie Armour wrote, "Legislation aimed to ban or limit mRNA vaccines was introduced this year by GOP lawmakers in at least seven states. In some cases, the measures would hit doctors who give the injections with criminal penalties, fines, and possible revocation of their licenses."

She went on to say, "“Right now, if we had a bird flu pandemic, we would have a shortage of the vaccine we need,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the University of Minnesota’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy. “The one thing that could save us is mRNA vaccine. The challenge would be if mRNA is banned. This is truly dangerous policy.”"

She continued, "Four in 10 Republicans who responded to a KFF poll published in January said it was “probably” or “definitely true” that “more people have died from covid-19 vaccines than from the virus itself.” Just a quarter of Republicans reported holding that view in 2023."
 
Chris_Halkides said:
She continued, "Four in 10 Republicans who responded to a KFF poll published in January said it was “probably” or “definitely true” that “more people have died from covid-19 vaccines than from the virus itself.” Just a quarter of Republicans reported holding that view in 2023."
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Did anyone ask these dodos where they got their "facts" from?
 
At the Kaiser Family Foundation newsletter (16 March) Arthur Allen wrote, "A scientist at a biomedical research center in Philadelphia wrote to a colleague, in an email reviewed by KFF Health News, that a project officer at NIH had “flagged our pending grant as having an mRNA vaccine component.”" He continued, "NIH officials also told a senior NIH-funded vaccine scientist in New York state, who does not conduct mRNA vaccine research but described its efficacy in previous grant applications, that all references to mRNA vaccines should be scrubbed from future applications."
 
Apologies if this has been posted before.
A Texas hospital is reporting cases of Vitamin A toxicity. These appear to stem from people following RFK JR's advice to treat measles with large supplements of this vitamin.
www.usatoday.com

West Texas children treated for vitamin A toxicity after measles hospitalizations

The children were hospitalized with measles complications and tested positive for abnormal liver function.
www.usatoday.com
 
theprestige said:
Did you read the article? Did you follow up on its sources? Did you find the original source reports "all too believable"? Or did you just accept Lowe's assessment without question?

Also, is it just me, or is "all too believable" a giant LED arrow pointing brightly at confirmation bias or some similar fallacy?
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I read Dr. Lowe's article; I have been reading his blog In the Pipeline at Science for years and find it highly informative. He has a Ph.D. in organic chemistry and has spent his career in medicinal chemistry. Earlier today I supplied the link to the KFF newsletter article in question; I find it believable. You are welcome to tell us what you think. Here is one additional quote from the latter: "A senior official at the National Cancer Institute confirmed that NIH acting Director Matthew Memoli sent an email across the NIH instructing that any grants, contracts, or collaborations involving mRNA vaccines be reported up the chain to Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s office and the White House."

Specifically about the Covid-19 vaccines, Eric Topol wrote in 2020, "This will go down in history as one of science and medical research's greatest achievements. Perhaps the most impressive.I put together a preliminary timeline of some key milestones to show how several years of work were compressed into months."
 
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theprestige said:
Did you read the article? Did you follow up on its sources? Did you find the original source reports "all too believable"? Or did you just accept Lowe's assessment without question?

Also, is it just me, or is "all too believable" a giant LED arrow pointing brightly at confirmation bias or some similar fallacy?
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theprestige,

Earlier today I provided some quotes from the source report and a related article to address your first paragraph. Then I re-read your second paragraph and found myself wondering what you meant by (and where you see evidence of) confirmation bias?
 
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And the anti vaxxers are turning on RFK after his praise of Measel vaccine.
RFK is going to be between a rock and a hard place.
He knows he on a short leash with many powerful Republicans, who were very conditional in their vote fo rhim, and now his core Anti Vax followers are angry. And he has to know Trump feels no personal loyatly toward him and he might be very disposable.
 
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CBSNews reported, "Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. called Monday for the end of community water fluoridation, praising Utah's move to ban the addition of fluoride to the water supply....It comes as the Environmental Protection Agency says it has now launched a new review of fluoride's health effects, working with Kennedy's department as it weighs whether to tighten federal restrictions on its addition to drinking water." The New York Times reported, "The current standard “was most recently reviewed July of 2024, but a lot has happened since July of 2024,” Mr. Zeldin said. The review of safety data “wouldn’t be happening, if not for Secretary Kennedy,” he added."

At SBM Steven Novella wrote, "In the US the EPA has set a maximum fluoride level in public drinking water (regardless of source) at 4.0 mg/L. The CDC recommends an optimal level of 0.7 mg/L for oral health (again, less than the concentration in the ocean and many natural water supplies). As we all know, toxicity is all about dose. So are there health risk at fluoridated levels? No."
 
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On X RFK Jr wrote in part, "I also visited with these two extraordinary healers, Dr. Richard Bartlett and Dr. Ben Edwards who have treated and healed some 300 measles-stricken Mennonite children using aerosolized budesonide and clarithromycin."
 
An asthma inhaler and an antibiotic. They didn't heal anything.

They won't harm the child. An asthma inhaler can help to relieve breathing difficulties if there are any but it's good symptomatic relief, not a cure. An antibiotic will help if the virus causes secondary bacterial infections. Neither is an antiviral.
 
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Chris_Halkides said:
On X RFK Jr wrote in part, "I also visited with these two extraordinary healers, Dr. Richard Bartlett and Dr. Ben Edwards who have treated and healed some 300 measles-stricken Mennonite children using aerosolized budesonide and clarithromycin."
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They probably would have recovered anyway, as most measles victims do. So this is very likely mistaking cause and effect.
 
a_unique_person said:
An asthma inhaler and an antibiotic. They didn't heal anything.

They won't harm the child.An asthma inhaler can help to relieve breathing difficulties if there are any but it's good symptomatic relief, not a cure. An antibiotic will help if the virus causes secondary bacterial infections. Neither is an antiviral.
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Budesonide is a potent immunosuppressant, Not the best drug to be given to someone with an infection, and is known to increase risk of pneumonia, a known complication following measles. Clarithromycin inhibits the metabolism of budesonide resulting in increased systemic effects. Clarythromycin affects the heart rhythm (prolonging QT interval) with a potential risk of cardiac dysrhythmia including death. The reason for doing drug trials is to show the benefits outweigh the risks. It is odd that RFK is promoting a treatment that hasn't been studied let alone not subject to a placebo controlled trial which is something he says is essential for vaccines.
 
Planigale said:
Budesonide is a potent immunosuppressant, Not the best drug to be given to someone with an infection, and is known to increase risk of pneumonia, a known complication following measles. Clarithromycin inhibits the metabolism of budesonide resulting in increased systemic effects. Clarythromycin affects the heart rhythm (prolonging QT interval) with a potential risk of cardiac dysrhythmia including death. The reason for doing drug trials is to show the benefits outweigh the risks. It is odd that RFK is promoting a treatment that hasn't been studied let alone not subject to a placebo controlled trial which is something he says is essential for vaccines.
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I guess it's down to the burden of proof and the motivation of those involved. "Big Pharma" is only interested in making money and so anything they propose has to be submitted to exhaustive trials to prove that it's both effective and completely safe* and even then the results should be treated with extreme suspicion.

OTOH healers working in the Mennonite community using random drugs with apparently no means of being effective can be trusted completely because they aren't large pharmaceutical companies and any money they do make is only reasonable recompense for the work they do. Any adverse results can simply be brushed aside because they were clearly due to outside factors.

* - even if the treatment/vaccine is 99.99% effective at stopping a disease that is otherwise 100% fatal, a single rash on one study participant should be enough to get it banned.
 
Planigale said:
Budesonide is a potent immunosuppressant, Not the best drug to be given to someone with an infection, and is known to increase risk of pneumonia, a known complication following measles. Clarithromycin inhibits the metabolism of budesonide resulting in increased systemic effects. Clarythromycin affects the heart rhythm (prolonging QT interval) with a potential risk of cardiac dysrhythmia including death. The reason for doing drug trials is to show the benefits outweigh the risks. It is odd that RFK is promoting a treatment that hasn't been studied let alone not subject to a placebo controlled trial which is something he says is essential for vaccines.
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You almost think they weren't being led by the science.
 
The depressing thing looking at posts on RFK jr X is the huge majority promoting false narratives.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1909049021211263268
That no one died of measles before vaccines.That one of the children died of medical malpractice not measles (post measles sepsis is a cause of death from measles). That there are not vaccines for serious infections like yellow fever or cholera (yes there are and I have had both). The racist element that illegal migrants are responsible for the outbreak. That viruses don't exist because no one has ever seen a virus.

I was struck by this post,
The Mennonites have many dairy farmers, eating and drinking lots of dairy. Young children have small livers that get overloaded quickly. Many are Vitamin A toxic. Measles is when the body incorporates the skin to detox the downstream metabolites of Vit A.
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Many posters seem to believe a 70's sitcom (The Brady Bunch' is a reliable source of evidence on the mortality and morbidity of measles.

All this is going unchallenged on an official government site.
 
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