The Truth about RFK Jr

MedPageToday reported, "Chief among those concerns is that Kennedy said the genotype B3.13 -- the one currently circulating in U.S. dairy cattle and most poultry -- "is not dangerous to humans" because it causes only conjunctivitis and mild flu symptoms.
But that's missing the bigger picture, experts told MedPage Today. "Any strain of H5N1 has the potential to reassort with another strain of influenza and become something more dangerous," Amesh Adalja, MD, of the Center for Health Security at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, told MedPage Today. James Lawler, MD, MPH, of the University of Nebraska Medical Center's Global Center for Health Security in Omaha, said we "don't know nearly enough about B3.13, or D1.1 for that matter, to make definitive statements about danger in humans.""

Scientific American wrote, "“No, not for this disease,” says Rocio Crespo, a poultry veterinarian at the North Carolina State University College of Veterinary Medicine. “This is crazy.”" They went on to say, "...the chickens never develop the antibodies that would beat back the flu and give them the ability to survive a second encounter with the virus —they die too quickly."

RFK Jr's whole idea seems poorly thought through.
 
The parents of the child who died in Texas from measles have removed any doubt that they really are stupid ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.

Mom of child dead from measles: “Don’t do the shots,” my other 4 kids were fine

The parents of an unvaccinated 6-year-old girl who died of measles in Texas last month sat down for an interview with Children's Health Defense (CHD), the rabid anti-vaccine organization founded and run until recently by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who is now US health secretary under the Trump administration.

The child's vaccine-preventable death marked the first measles fatality in the US in a decade. It's a tragedy that stands as a dark reminder of the dangers of the disease—one of the most infectious known to humankind—and the importance of the lifesaving vaccinations. But, in the interview, CHD wielded the loss of the young child as a means to downplay the deadly disease, attack the Measles, Mumps, and Rubella vaccine, tout unproven treatments, and spread misinformation.

Preventable death​

The video interview, which was posted Monday, begins with the grieving parents, who are Mennonites, recounting their daughter's decline amid sobs: She came down with measles, developed the telltale rash, and then her fever kept climbing, and her breathing worsened. They took her to the emergency room and she was admitted to the hospital. Doctors found she had developed pneumonia, a known complication of measles that strikes about 1 in 20 children infected and is the most common cause of measles deaths in young children. Her condition deteriorated, she was moved to the intensive care unit, intubated, but continued to decline and died.

From there, the interview took a turn. The mother said that after the death, her other four children developed the disease. It "must have been petrifying," CHD's director of programming, Polly Tommey, who was leading the interview, said. "Yeah, it was. It was hard," the mother replied. But then, the family had the children treated by an alternative practitioner, Ben Edwards, who has grown popular in their West Texas community amid the ongoing measles outbreak. Edwards administers unproven treatments, including cod liver oil and the steroid budesonide, which is used to treat asthma and Crohn's disease.
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Please read the rest at the link above. But I will quote one last snippet:

The father then chimed in to falsely claim that measles is "good for the body" and that people who survive the illness are left with stronger immune systems that can fight off cancers later in life. This is a dangerous falsehood that Kennedy has also recently repeated.
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Measles actually resets your immune system. After you get it, you might be immune to measles but have lost your immunity to every other virus you've been exposed to.
 
mikegriffith1 said:
Research continues to surface that supports RFK Jr.'s concerns about the COVID vaccine. From an article on Just the News website--and notice we're talking about research done by Yale and Harvard scientists:

Yale research validates spike protein persistence from COVID vaccines as injury visibility rises​



Months earlier, peer-reviewed research by Harvard Medical School identified spike proteins as responsible for post-vaccination myocarditis in young people.
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I have neither the time nor the energy to address all of MG1's Gish Gallops, but this one stood out.
Gotta love it when a conspiracy theorist's own links debunk their claims.
MG1: Did you actually read your links?
mikegriffith's link said:
These results do not alter the risk-benefit ratio favoring vaccination against COVID-19 to prevent severe clinical outcomes.
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And, Mike, do you agree with the recommendations of your own links?
 
Regarding the how the target of the flu shot was chosen MedPageToday reported, "Paul Offit, MD, a VRBPAC member since 2017 and vaccine expert at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, said that while he can't remember a time when VRBPAC didn't follow the WHO's recommendations, that's not all it does. He told MedPage Today that an additional value of VRBPAC is that its discussions and reasoning are "open to the public" -- and that they include a "post-mortem on how we did the previous year and whether we could have done better" in terms of matching strains with those that end up circulating..."It is hard to miss the irony of being told that all VRBPAC has to do is to rubber stamp a recommendation from an organization that the Trump administration has such contempt for that it just pulled out of it," [physician Robert] Schooley said. "Should Americans trust a decision from an organization that the administration portrays as being run by China?""
 
The American Society for Microbiology has an essay about measles and immune amnesia: "One of the most unique—and most dangerous—features of measles pathogenesis is its ability to reset the immune systems of infected patients. During the acute phase of infection, measles induces immune suppression through a process called immune amnesia. Studies in non-human primates revealed that MV actually replaces the old memory cells of its host with new, MV-specific lymphocytes. As a result, the patient emerges with both a strong MV-specific immunity and an increased vulnerability to all other pathogens. Many pathogens suppress immune function; the influenza virus damages airway epithelial cells and increases patient susceptibility to pneumonia-causing bacterial species. However, the ability to destroy immunological memory and replace memory lymphocytes is unique to MV...
Examination of child mortality rates in the U.S., U.K., and Denmark in the decades before and after the introduction of the measles vaccine revealed that nearly half of all childhood deaths from infectious disease could be related to MV infection when the disease was prevalent. That means infections other than measles resulted in death, due to the MV effect on the immune system. Furthermore, it was determined that it takes approximately 2-3 years post-measles infection for protective immune memory to be restored."
EDT
This passage implies that the fatality rate for measles understates its impact.
 
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Chris_Halkides said:
The American Society for Microbiology has an essay about measles and immune amnesia: "One of the most unique—and most dangerous—features of measles pathogenesis is its ability to reset the immune systems of infected patients. During the acute phase of infection, measles induces immune suppression through a process called immune amnesia. Studies in non-human primates revealed that MV actually replaces the old memory cells of its host with new, MV-specific lymphocytes. As a result, the patient emerges with both a strong MV-specific immunity and an increased vulnerability to all other pathogens. Many pathogens suppress immune function; the influenza virus damages airway epithelial cells and increases patient susceptibility to pneumonia-causing bacterial species. However, the ability to destroy immunological memory and replace memory lymphocytes is unique to MV...
Examination of child mortality rates in the U.S., U.K., and Denmark in the decades before and after the introduction of the measles vaccine revealed that nearly half of all childhood deaths from infectious disease could be related to MV infection when the disease was prevalent. That means infections other than measles resulted in death, due to the MV effect on the immune system. Furthermore, it was determined that it takes approximately 2-3 years post-measles infection for protective immune memory to be restored."
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Interesting for sure. My own history is far too far back to be anything but anecdotal, but I had measles and chicken pox in quick succession when I was four, with a fever of something like 105, delirium and the works, and was sick with all sorts of other things for a while afterwards, until I almost croaked again from scarlet fever a year or so later. Like my second fever delirium in a year. A massive shot of penicillin saved the day, and simultaneously did away with what was later suspected to have been something like dysentery. All speculative these 70 plus years later, but it makes one wonder.
 
arthwollipot said:
Yeah. Measles ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ sucks, and I don't think a lot of people actually realise how much. I know RFK doesn't.
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Could not agree more.

When I was a child, one of my fellow students had measles and didn't return to school, because it blinded him.

Whenever an anti-vaxxer says: "Only x people die" I retort with: "and we don't count everyone who was maimed for life".
 
arthwollipot said:
Yeah. Measles ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ sucks, and I don't think a lot of people actually realise how much.
I know RFK doesn't.
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This almost gives him too much credit. The idea being that if only he knew how destructive his propaganda was then he wouldn't behave this way.

This is false. RFK does NOT care about children getting sick, maimed and dying from easily preventable diseases. He almost certainly knows that the diseases are not good to have. Even Mike Griffith 1 says that RFK Jr has had his kids vaccinated. This is for the obvious reason that he doesn't want his kids to get sick.
 
angrysoba said:
This almost gives him too much credit. The idea being that if only he knew how destructive his propaganda was then he wouldn't behave this way.

This is false. RFK does NOT care about children getting sick, maimed and dying from easily preventable diseases. He almost certainly knows that the diseases are not good to have. Even Mike Griffith 1 says that RFK Jr has had his kids vaccinated. This is for the obvious reason that he doesn't want his kids to get sick.
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I posted previously that RFK Jr. rained rotten whale gizzards on his own children for hours in order to get its skull. He also ate roadkill. He doesn't care about anyone, including himself. There is not a sympathetic or even empathetic bone in his body. He is pathologically dangerous.
 
arthwollipot said:
Yeah. Measles ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ sucks, and I don't think a lot of people actually realise how much. I know RFK doesn't.
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Even when they experience how much, they still think that vaccination is a fate worse than death!
The Vertlartnic on X, Mar 22, 2025:
“She’s In A Better Place Now”, Says Totally Good Loving Dad Who Really Loved All His Kids, Even That One.

A man and his sonHeadline:“She’s In A Better Place Now”, Says Totally Good Loving Dad Who Really Loved All His Kids, Even That One.Story by Yessel Pankhurst and Indigo TodegroundPhoto from Unsplash
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Daughter dies of measles, parents STILL SAY vaccine bad (David Pakman on YouTube, Mar 25, 2025 - 7:37 min.)
 
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Resume said:
Ah the faces of stupidity and credulity. Anti-vax morons spurred on by other anti-vax morons like JFK Jr and his anti-vax sycophants.
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True, and the leaders who ought to know better are the villains here. And they know it too. The suffering of individuals is nothing to them beside the splendor of their dreams. What's the death of a few busloads of children compared to your face on a mountainside?

The parents' implacable error is not that far beyond understanding under the circumstances. We're all inclined to look for excuses, and it is, after all, very hard for a parent to admit that their ignorance and gullibility caused the needless death of a child, especially when you have the trite religious twaddle of being sent back to God's loving arms to fall back on. We can wish people in general had more character, integrity and intelligence, but these people are not special, only conspicuous.
 
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