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The Truth about RFK Jr

It's a pretty common state of affairs among Anti-vaxxers.
They're fighting for the right to not vaccinate their, and everyone else's, kids while benefiting from the protections themselves
It's common among a whole bunch of people. I saw a bumper sticker not long ago saying how lucky we are that our mothers chose to have us. It was, of course, in support of laws to deprive women of choice. Irony is what good little wives do for their husbands' shirts.
 
Penguins don't walk like that, they waddle very quickly in their fancy suits, which is one of the many reasons they're so cute.

Or maybe that is how Greenland penguins walk?
Maybe it's a stealth lab-grown penguin. Sent to distract him while the leopard seal holding the camera sneaks up behind him. We can dream.
 
I like it! A penguin leading RFK Jr. off into the vast uninhabited snowy wilderness... It's as if perishing alone in the cold is his deserved fate.
Maybe he's being practical. After all, given their druthers, the liberals would vaccinate it, Kristi Noem would shoot it and Trump would rape it. A waste of good protein.
 
USA Today columnist Rex Huppke discussed Dr. Kirk Milhoan, head of the ACIP: "In 2021, the head of Hawaii’s health department released a statement condemning an organization Milhoan was involved in – the Pono Coalition for Informed Consent – for spreading “misinformation about the severity of the disease and the safety of the vaccines,” adding: “I want to be clear ‒ hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin should not be used to treat COVID-19. Taking unprescribed large doses of ivermectin or doses intended for animals can cause serious harm.”"

Maui News stated, "Complaints have been cleared against two Maui doctors for allegedly “spreading misinformation” about COVID-19, specifically the use of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin to treat the virus, which federal agencies have advised against. The state Regulated Industries Complaints Office in the Department of Commerce & Consumer Affairs said last week on its website that “no legal action” was imposed on Dr. Lorrin Pang, who is also the state Department of Health Maui District health officer along with pediatric cardiologist Dr. Kirk Milhoan, who is also the senior pastor of Calvary Chapel South Maui."
 
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More from last week's interview of Dr. Kirk Milhoan: "The MMR vaccine, and you guys have probably seen this data, is that often the incidence of disease is going down even before the vaccine had been started. When we look at the risk and we talk about the risk of, let’s say, measles, many of those risks of not getting measles without having a vaccine, was in the 1960s. We take care of children much differently now. Our ability to have pediatric hospitals, children’s hospitals, pediatric ICU’s, how we look at the whole gamut of how we can treat measles is different. That’s something that comes into play."

Dr. David Gorski responded at SBM, "Dr. Milhoan can’t even get his antivax tropes correct, so I’ll help him. The incidence of measles was not going down before the measles vaccine was introduced in the early 1960s. It fluctuated wildly, but it was definitely not going down. The correct antivax trope is that mortality from measles had been declining before the vaccine was introduced, not the incidence, the false implication being that vaccination doesn’t save lives and is unnecessary...The second trope that Dr. Milhoan is weaponizing is the common antivax claim that we don’t need vaccines for an infectious disease because, according to the first trope, it’s harmless (to the healthy) and, according to this trope, we can treat it medically if necessary, no problem." A commenter added, "This has got to be a contender for the greatest stupidity award. Basically Milhoan is suggesting we not protect children from disease, because we can instead have them spend weeks in pediatric ICUs at great cost to everyone. One of the things we have learned from the COVID-19 pandemic is that if we fill ICUs up with people who are infected with a single virus, there is no space for people who have other conditions that require treatment."
 
Dr. Paul Offit also responded to the Milhoan interview, writing at Beyond the Noise, "The incidence of polio in the United States skyrocketed in the United States in the 1950s when as many as 20,000 children were paralyzed by the virus. Why then? Why in the 1950s? In the 1920s and 1930s, when sanitation in the United States was poor, polio was a common disease, typically infecting babies in the first year of life at the same time they were receiving passively transferred antibodies from their mother through the placenta. Those passively transferred antibodies were often, but not always, protective against paralytic polio. (Hence the term “infantile paralysis”.) When sanitation improved, children were exposed to polio when they were older, after maternal antibodies had worn off. Polio became a more common disease of the 5–9-year-old, not a rarer disease in infancy. In other words, better sanitation increased the incidence of polio, the opposite of what Milhoan had claimed."

Milhoan: “It’s a very acceptable, even perhaps a laudable decision, to not vaccinate your child because of the risk of an adverse effect from measles. And that outweighs the risk of your child spreading it to another child or a child who’s, God forbid, compromised.”

Dr. Offit rebutted this view: "Milhoan is arguing that any parent could reasonably decide not to get a measles vaccine because they believe that the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits. Measles virus causes pneumonia, dehydration, and encephalitis that can result in blindness and deafness. Measles vaccine doesn’t cause any of those problems. So, why would any parent reasonably choose not to get the vaccine? Then Milhoan takes his argument one step further, saying that if a parent’s choice not to get a vaccine puts another child at risk, even a child who is immune compromised, that’s a reasonable, even laudable, decision."
 
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Dr. Paul Offit also responded to the Milhoan interview, writing at Beyond the Noise, "The incidence of polio in the United States skyrocketed in the United States in the 1950s when as many as 20,000 children were paralyzed by the virus. Why then? Why in the 1950s? In the 1920s and 1930s, when sanitation in the United States was poor, polio was a common disease, typically infecting babies in the first year of life at the same time they were receiving passively transferred antibodies from their mother through the placenta. Those passively transferred antibodies were often, but not always, protective against paralytic polio. (Hence the term “infantile paralysis”.) When sanitation improved, children were exposed to polio when they were older, after maternal antibodies had worn off. Polio became a more common disease of the 5–9-year-old, not a rarer disease in infancy. In other words, better sanitation increased the incidence of polio, the opposite of what Milhoan had claimed."

Milhoan: “It’s a very acceptable, even perhaps a laudable decision, to not vaccinate your child because of the risk of an adverse effect from measles. And that outweighs the risk of your child spreading it to another child or a child who’s, God forbid, compromised.”

Dr. Offit rebutted this view: "Milhoan is arguing that any parent could reasonably decide not to get a measles vaccine because they believe that the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits. Measles virus causes pneumonia, dehydration, and encephalitis that can result in blindness and deafness. Measles vaccine doesn’t cause any of those problems. So, why would any parent reasonably choose not to get the vaccine? Then Milhoan takes his argument one step further, saying that if a parent’s choice not to get a vaccine puts another child at risk, even a child who is immune compromised, that’s a reasonable, even laudable, decision."
I am really grateful for this thread, however harrowing it is in so many ways, but since I sometimes debate Swedish anti-vaxxers, all the information in this thread comes in very handy. I wish we didn't need it, but I can't thank the people who provide it enough - i do tend to lose my will to live when I talk to anti-vaxxers, but I regain it a lot quicker nowadays.

So thank you, Chris_Halkides, and everyone who contributes with thoughts and facts.
 
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Medicinal chemist Derek Lowe (In the Pipeline) wrote, "And this is of course not just being fought out in the infant vaccination schedules. This administration is hostile to vaccination from every direction, which is why it appears that the CDC is now doing a deliberately worse job of even tracking the underlying diseases (as well as vaccination rates). If the data can’t be relied on, then everyone can just throw up their hands, right? So we have the spectacle of an administration who is supposedly so dedicated to the pursuit of medical truth that they want to run placebo-controlled trials for vaccines that have been shown effective for decades, and on the other hand they’re destroying the public data record so that everything turns into “Gosh, who can say?”" I have read that almost 50% of the databases are not being kept up on a monthly basis.

Dr. Lowe went on to say that, "Lastly, Moderna has just announced that they’re cutting back late-stage vaccine trials due to the uncertainty in the US market. This is not good news, and while some of it may well be due to Moderna’s own problems, the underlying point stands."
 
David Gorski also treated the RICO lawsuit that the Chidren's Defense Fund brought against the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP). He wrote, " A lay-friendly version of Dr. Offit’s actual argument can be found in a 2018 AAP post entitled Too many vaccines? What you should know. The CHD argument is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊, pure and simple, and that’s putting it mildly. (Regular readers know that I seldom use four-letter words here, but if any argument deserved it, this CHD argument does.)"
 
ABC News quoted Dr. Paul Offit regarding measles: ""We're no better at treating measles than we were 60 years ago," Offit said. "I mean, what do we have? We have oxygen, we have ventilation. We had that in the 1960s. And in terms of dehydration, we had intravenous fluids. Again, no difference.""

"Co-host Tom Johnson asked Milhoan about his philosophy on individual autonomy with the example of a parent who chooses not to get their child vaccinated against measles and that child subsequently infects a different immunocompromised child. Johnson asked Milhoan if there is a line to cross where individual autonomy infringes on another child's safety. “I would say I agree, there are two different things at play here. We don’t take one over the other,” Milhoan said. “Let’s just flip that the other way around. What if the child gets a measles vaccine to protect your immunocompromised child and gets a negative consequence from that? Wasn’t that your child causing that child to be harmed?” When asked directly whether vaccines are adequately studied for safety, Milhoan said they are not, arguing that research has focused primarily on efficacy."
 
ABC News quoted Dr. Paul Offit regarding measles: ""We're no better at treating measles than we were 60 years ago," Offit said. "I mean, what do we have? We have oxygen, we have ventilation. We had that in the 1960s. And in terms of dehydration, we had intravenous fluids. Again, no difference.""

"Co-host Tom Johnson asked Milhoan about his philosophy on individual autonomy with the example of a parent who chooses not to get their child vaccinated against measles and that child subsequently infects a different immunocompromised child. Johnson asked Milhoan if there is a line to cross where individual autonomy infringes on another child's safety. “I would say I agree, there are two different things at play here. We don’t take one over the other,” Milhoan said. “Let’s just flip that the other way around. What if the child gets a measles vaccine to protect your immunocompromised child and gets a negative consequence from that? Wasn’t that your child causing that child to be harmed?” When asked directly whether vaccines are adequately studied for safety, Milhoan said they are not, arguing that research has focused primarily on efficacy."
Lying to prove his story and play "whatabouts" is not an argument. It's a pathetic excuse.
 
CIDRAP reported, "Moderna chief executive officer Stephane Bancel said the company does not plan to invest in new late-stage vaccine trials because of growing opposition to immunizations from health officials in the United States...“You cannot make a return on investment if you don’t have access to the U.S. market,” Bancel told Bloomberg TV. He said the vaccine market in the United States is much smaller as more anti-vaccine guidelines have become the norm."
 
CIDRAP reported, "Moderna chief executive officer Stephane Bancel said the company does not plan to invest in new late-stage vaccine trials because of growing opposition to immunizations from health officials in the United States...“You cannot make a return on investment if you don’t have access to the U.S. market,” Bancel told Bloomberg TV. He said the vaccine market in the United States is much smaller as more anti-vaccine guidelines have become the norm."
Remember in the old days when they needed a whole bunch of trains and a lot of people working 24/7 at death camps to kill millions of people? Pah, we're so much more efficient today.
 
Dr. Mike asked Peter Hotez about autism genes and his interaction with RFK Jr about valproic acid in this short video.
 
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