The Trump/Putin summit predictions thread

[kookbreaker]

I'm not sure in the long term how much stock can really be put in that.

Truman had 22% at one point. Nixon had 24. Carter had 28. Bush had 27.

Truman, Nixon, Carter and Bush are... a pretty widely varied group of Presidents that history remembers as good (Truman), bad (Nixon), sorta ineffective (Carter) and... Bush.

I'm not sure if an approval rating now is a good indicator of anything.

Truman's reputation comes from his ending of WW2 and much of his second term, which included the Korean War.

But hoo-boy, did he screw up the transition from the wartime to peacetime economies. His handling of railroad strikes (he wanted to draft the strikers into the army) and rampant inflation dropped his popularity to that low-point. That's why his victory against Dewey was such a shock. But his popularity would rise over time because he wasn't hamstringing himself constantly.

 

[JoeMorgue]

But really what has he done that should be a surprise? He hasn't exactly changed how he acts since the election, so why should anyone who voted for him be suprised or upset?

They certainly seem to support him even if his policies destroy their lives, as is seen time and again in polls.

I don't care.

I want things to get better more than I want to "Itoldyaso" people, that's all.

Anyone who used to support Trump that now doesn't should be at least met with some understanding.

They don't have to be your bested buddies ever, you can still keep your cause and tribe bloodlines pure, but at least untrain your guns of them and let be part of making it better.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Wall Street Journal called it "a personal and national embarrassment". When the WSJ rips a Republican president...

They will be taken to task by newscorp for being off message. Murdoc will not stand for that.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I don't care.

I want things to get better more than I want to "Itoldyaso" people, that's all.

Anyone who used to support Trump that now doesn't should be at least met with some understanding.

They don't have to be your bested buddies ever, you can still keep your cause and tribe bloodlines pure, but at least untrain your guns of them and let be part of making it better.

But they are not giving up Trump, Trump voters support him no matter how he effects them. Study after study shows that. This isn't about I Told You so, it is simple fact that his voters support him through all this.

The likely answer is that this is clearly who he was during the campaign and they were OK with it then and continue to be so.

 

[phiwum]

Wall Street Journal called it "a personal and national embarrassment". When the WSJ rips a Republican president...

They've never been supporters of Trump.

 

[phiwum]

I don't care.

I want things to get better more than I want to "Itoldyaso" people, that's all.

Anyone who used to support Trump that now doesn't should be at least met with some understanding.

They don't have to be your bested buddies ever, you can still keep your cause and tribe bloodlines pure, but at least untrain your guns of them and let be part of making it better.

Right.

 

[angrysoba]

Surely too literate to be his hand.

It was actually in the speech at the press conference that Trump was reading:

"I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace, than to risk peace in pursuit of politics."

And yes, it was surely written by a speech writer. That's not unusual of course to have a speech writer. But it is also not unusual for Trump to go off on his own tangents instead of sticking to the script.

Whatever fancy lines he had been given to say at the summit he surely ended up way off-piste talking about the electoral college vote etc...

It would have been great if Trump had asked Putin to get in writing Putin's promise that he didn't meddle in the election. Then when Trump gets back on Airforce One he can say, "I have in my hand a piece of paper that ensures peace in our time!"

Then Putin can invade Ukraine again.

 

[Segnosaur]

They shouldn't have to hide it. A simple, honest "I voted for Trump, I now feel that was the wrong decision and I am revisiting my vote for next election" should at least be tolerated.

But really what has he done that should be a surprise? He hasn't exactly changed how he acts since the election, so why should anyone who voted for him be suprised or upset?

"Hey, even though he linked Mexicans with Rapists and railed endlessly about crime caused by illegal immigrants and wanted a border wall, I didn't think he'd lock their children in cages. (They should have been chained up!)"

"Even though Trump disagreed with virtually every American intelligence agency regarding Russian election interference, and actually called on Russia to hack Clinton's emails, I had no way of knowing that Trump would be subservient to the Russians!"

 

[Sabrina]

I think Sabrina meant George W Bush, who hit that low. Daddy was HW and I don't think ever got that low.

Nope, I meant Daddy Bush. Not sure WHY it was so low (it was toward the end of his term in office, but the charts on FiveThirtyEight don't offer any explanation for why the numbers got that low. See the comparison charts here (make sure you click on the 4 year option, not just the one that compares Trump to all the prior presidents simply up to the day in office Trump has served).

 

[The Big Dog]

Nope, I meant Daddy Bush. Not sure WHY it was so low (it was toward the end of his term in office, but the charts on FiveThirtyEight don't offer any explanation for why the numbers got that low. See the comparison charts here (make sure you click on the 4 year option, not just the one that compares Trump to all the prior presidents simply up to the day in office Trump has served).

Read my lips, no new taxes.

Then raised taxes.

 

[rwguinn]

Surely too literate to be his hand.

I don't know. Maybe he was channeling Neville Chamberlain. It worked so well back then...

 

[Fudbucker]

They've never been supporters of Trump.

No, not really. But that kind of language is extreme, even for them.

 

[Tero]

Not seeing the effect of Helsinki on polls yet. Trump voters are not ready to dump him until a conservative judge has been approved.

 

[Trebuchet]

Nope, I meant Daddy Bush. Not sure WHY it was so low (it was toward the end of his term in office, but the charts on FiveThirtyEight don't offer any explanation for why the numbers got that low. See the comparison charts here (make sure you click on the 4 year option, not just the one that compares Trump to all the prior presidents simply up to the day in office Trump has served).

He promised "no new taxes" and had to renege on that for the good of the country.

 

[Fudbucker]

He promised "no new taxes" and had to renege on that for the good of the country.

Those days seem very quaint now.

 

[Drewbot]

Maybe he was channeling FDR at Yalta.

 

[angrysoba]

Nope, I meant Daddy Bush. Not sure WHY it was so low

The economy, stupid!



Also, as TBG said, "Read my lips, no new taxes!"

People in his party such as Pat Buchanan went after him, and a third candidate Ross Perot also popped up.

 

[kookbreaker]

Nope, I meant Daddy Bush. Not sure WHY it was so low (it was toward the end of his term in office, but the charts on FiveThirtyEight don't offer any explanation for why the numbers got that low. See the comparison charts here (make sure you click on the 4 year option, not just the one that compares Trump to all the prior presidents simply up to the day in office Trump has served).

Hmm, you're right. My guess would be that is when he went ape**** on Perot or when Hurricane Andrew hit and the response was poor (a lesson his kid did not learn). Overall his drop was at the start of year 3 when his neglect of domestic issues took its toll.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

There's been thirty years of tribal indoctrination since then. Back then it was fine to disapprove of a politician for reneging on his word, even if it was your guy. Now its apparently acceptable to continue supporting an outright traitor to his nation if the alternative is people being meanies to you about your previous support.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Ohhh... Trumps calling a Press Conference at 2 P.M (Eastern) to "Talk about" the summit and "address statements made about it."

This outta be good.