The Trump/Putin summit predictions thread

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Sabrina said:
Fivethirtyeight's aggregate puts Trump at a current approval rating of 42.2% and a 52.8% disapproval rating. Granted, that is the aggregate of the polls, but I've noticed it slowly dropping as more and more comes out. Now, he's nowhere near the worst approval rating offered in the comparison charts (which would be George H.W. Bush having a whopping 27.6% approval rating, albeit much later in his time in office than Trump currently has under his belt), but he's definitely not doing well.
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He's always had low approval ratings. Even lower than that.

At the moment the polls aggregate only reflects polls that were conducted before the Helsinki Fiasco. Now it would be interesting to see just how badly his approval is affected. It seems that in the past, Trump has got by on bluster and his supporters have always enjoyed it especially when he is bullying the less powerful. Suddenly he looks weak and stupid and will have a hard time spinning this. I am not sure if FOX has even thought up a good excuse for him yet or how to change the subject.
 
angrysoba said:
I am not sure if FOX has even thought up a good excuse for him yet or how to change the subject.
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Personally I thought that the Tweet about putting peace ahead of politics was a damn good attempt to explain it. Give it a couple of days of it to settle in and he'll be a hero again. :mad:
 
JoeMorgue said:
As long as liberals see "Trump Voters" as a demographic to be punished and humbled they aren't giving them a reason to switch sides.
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Except that "Trump Voters" isn't a demographic that you can independently identify; they have to go out of their way to identify themselves.


Sure, the idiots in MAGA hats and Lock Her Up T-shirts might stick with him, but there's millions more who cast their ballots in secret, and who can vote differently the next time, with no one else the wiser.

We can hope that this group are quietly re-thinking their positions, and acting accordingly. Some private sense of embarrassment for a short while is a small price for them to pay, if it means we can put limits on that idiot Trump.
 
Horatius said:
Except that "Trump Voters" isn't a demographic that you can independently identify; they have to go out of their way to identify themselves.

Sure, the idiots in MAGA hats and Lock Her Up T-shirts might stick with him, but there's millions more who cast their ballots in secret, and who can vote differently the next time, with no one else the wiser.

We can hope that this group are quietly re-thinking their positions, and acting accordingly. Some private sense of embarrassment for a short while is a small price for them to pay, if it means we can put limits on that idiot Trump.
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They shouldn't have to hide it. A simple, honest "I voted for Trump, I now feel that was the wrong decision and I am revisiting my vote for next election" should at least be tolerated.
 
Has there yet been any criticism of President Trump from a GOP Senator or Representative with anything to lose. So far criticism has come from the likes of Ryan, Flake and McCain who are not seeking reelection whereas the likes of Paul have come out foursquare behind the President and most have just been keeping quiet.

Alternatively, what would President Trump have to do (apart from suddenly becoming unpopular) to earn censure from the likes of McConnell ?
 
The Don said:
Has there yet been any criticism of President Trump from a GOP Senator or Representative with anything to lose. So far criticism has come from the likes of Ryan, Flake and McCain who are not seeking reelection whereas the likes of Paul have come out foursquare behind the President and most have just been keeping quiet.

Alternatively, what would President Trump have to do (apart from suddenly becoming unpopular) to earn censure from the likes of McConnell ?
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There is no apart - that is the sole parameter that they are concerned with.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Mainly because nobody is going to let them forget it.

Look at it this way if (g) you voted for Trump in 16... what's the point of changing your mind if the sin of voting for Trump is going to held over you for ever?
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There other reasons for voting besides the image it portrays to one's neighbors.
 
The Don said:
Alternatively, what would President Trump have to do (apart from suddenly becoming unpopular) to earn censure from the likes of McConnell ?
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He would have to stop nominating GOP preferred SC judges. The GOP is very much focused on the power of the judiciary as a tactic and it has paid back in spades. From a purely cynical perspective, it's the right move. Trump will be gone sooner or later, but judges will sit on the bench for decades after. A few conservative decisions will go a long way in shoring up the waning GOP.
 
3point14 said:
There other reasons for voting besides the image it portrays to one's neighbors.
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I agree. I just don't see the percentage in making it harder than it needs to be.

I'm not willing to alienate potential allies, or at least lesser enemies, just because the siren call of getting to say "Itoldyaso" is impossible to resist.
 
Horatius said:
Except that "Trump Voters" isn't a demographic that you can independently identify; they have to go out of their way to identify themselves.


Sure, the idiots in MAGA hats and Lock Her Up T-shirts might stick with him, but there's millions more who cast their ballots in secret, and who can vote differently the next time, with no one else the wiser.

We can hope that this group are quietly re-thinking their positions, and acting accordingly. Some private sense of embarrassment for a short while is a small price for them to pay, if it means we can put limits on that idiot Trump.
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Voter turnout is the biggest metric for success. Some Trump voters may change their mind, but more likely is some will choose not to vote at all. Voter enthusiasm is important because many Americans choose not to vote. Hopefully the terribleness of Trump's first term will snap many out of the "my vote doesn't matter" complacency and discourage GOP voters from showing up.

Obligatory mention of deliberate attempts by the GOP to make voting more difficult and unpleasant for key Democratic-voting people goes here.
 
Sabrina said:
Fivethirtyeight's aggregate puts Trump at a current approval rating of 42.2% and a 52.8% disapproval rating. Granted, that is the aggregate of the polls, but I've noticed it slowly dropping as more and more comes out. Now, he's nowhere near the worst approval rating offered in the comparison charts (which would be George H.W. Bush having a whopping 27.6% approval rating, albeit much later in his time in office than Trump currently has under his belt), but he's definitely not doing well.
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Wait, why was HW so low? Decent guy, not great, but boy that's low!
 
The Don said:
Personally I thought that the Tweet about putting peace ahead of politics was a damn good attempt to explain it. Give it a couple of days of it to settle in and he'll be a hero again. :mad:
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Surely too literate to be his hand.
 
phiwum said:
Surely too literate to be his hand.
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Oh, I agree, he didn't write it but it provides a defence and one which will be honed over the upcoming days and weeks.

IMO it's only a matter time before the GOP hails him for his principled stand for peace.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Because he was the "Lookit how bad the Republicans are he's da wurst president evar!" before Trump.
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No. HW was decent, not necessarily competent, but decent. You might be thinking of his son.
 
JoeMorgue said:
They shouldn't have to hide it. A simple, honest "I voted for Trump, I now feel that was the wrong decision and I am revisiting my vote for next election" should at least be tolerated.
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But really what has he done that should be a surprise? He hasn't exactly changed how he acts since the election, so why should anyone who voted for him be suprised or upset?

They certainly seem to support him even if his policies destroy their lives, as is seen time and again in polls.
 
Wall Street Journal called it "a personal and national embarrassment". When the WSJ rips a Republican president...
 
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