The Trump/Putin summit predictions thread

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AnonyMoose said:
I'm thinking this might finally be the turning point for many republicans.

Anyone who has aligned themselves with Trump can say "bye bye" to future career endeavours. This is going to be the black mark on their resumes for many many years to come.
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Why? This isn't going to cost him in the republican base so why would they doom themselves by going against him?
 
AnonyMoose said:
I'm not talking about his cheerleaders (republican base), those people are hopeless dogmatic cult kool-aid drinkers.

I'm talking about the politicians who have jobs to worry about.
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We'll see. Have you seen any anti-Trump quotes from current Republican politicians who are actually running for re-election, or who have not announced that they are retiring?

My sense is that the active set of Republican politicians continue to be strongly supportive of him.
 
John Bolton says that he finds it "hard to believe" Putin didn't know about top Russian intelligence officials' efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.
 
crescent said:
We'll see. Have you seen any anti-Trump quotes from current Republican politicians who are actually running for re-election, or who have not announced that they are retiring?

My sense is that the active set of Republican politicians continue to be strongly supportive of him.
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I'm thinking about what will be coming down the pipeline in the near future, not necessarily right at this very moment... the disgrace and fall of this president. Mueller doesn't need to do anything, Trump is tying his own noose quite nicely without help from anyone else.

Surely these politicians can smell what's coming ?

But you guys may have a valid point... maybe these people really are too stupid to smell the thunderstorm heading their way ?
 
AnonyMoose said:
I'm not talking about his cheerleaders (republican base), those people are hopeless dogmatic cult kool-aid drinkers.

I'm talking about the politicians who have jobs to worry about.
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Exactly they have to support Trump of their base will eat them. If they want to keep a career in politics they need to support Trump. No hope to win a primary if they go against the Great Leader.
 
AnonyMoose said:
I'm thinking about what will be coming down the pipeline in the near future, not necessarily right at this very moment... the disgrace and fall of this president. Mueller doesn't need to do anything, Trump is tying his own noose quite nicely without help from anyone else.

Surely these politicians can smell what's coming ?

But you guys may have a valid point... maybe these people really are too stupid to smell the thunderstorm heading their way ?
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They are trapped, if they go against Trump they are dead to the party and will never win a primary. So no matter what the public thinks they need to support Trump to even get a shot. And betting on the short memory of the general public vs the memory of your base seems a fair bet.
 
ponderingturtle said:
They are trapped, if they go against Trump they are dead to the party and will never win a primary. So no matter what the public thinks they need to support Trump to even get a shot. And betting on the short memory of the general public vs the memory of your base seems a fair bet.
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Yeah, Trumpism is still the winning model. Maybe if there were a decisive election defeat that would change. But a politicians first duty is to win election. My hope is that Republicans go all-in of Trump in the primaries and get creamed in the generals, but I can't say I'm that optimistic.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Exactly they have to support Trump of their base will eat them. If they want to keep a career in politics they need to support Trump. No hope to win a primary if they go against the Great Leader.
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Ah, apologies.

I misread your post.

Yes, they need to continue dancing the Trump dance to keep votes, I get that. But what about down the line when the fickle masses start singing for Trump's head ?

Or do you think this particular flavour of cheerleaders will follow Trump right over the cliff, right through to the bitter end ?

I tend to think otherwise because history shows us that just about every leader has experienced a period of praise and cheerleading... followed soon after with screams to 'cut off their head'.
 
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If Fox finds that there's no way they can put even a neutral spin on this disaster then it's a whole new ballgame.

They don't make their money out of supporting Trump.
 
ponderingturtle said:
They are trapped, if they go against Trump they are dead to the party and will never win a primary. So no matter what the public thinks they need to support Trump to even get a shot. And betting on the short memory of the general public vs the memory of your base seems a fair bet.
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A valid point indeed.

But a lot can happen between now and November... so it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.

In the meantime, I have a cupboard full of popcorn with my name on it.

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This is a statement from Senator John McCain.

For those of you outside the US, Senator John McCain is member of the Republican Party, a former Republican Candidate for President, and has been either a Senator or a Representative since 1983 and is one of the more influential members of Trump's party.

The statement reads:

"Today's press conference in Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory. The damage inflicted by President Trump's naiveté, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate. But it is clear that the summit in Helsinki was a tragic mistake.

"President Trump proved not only unable, but unwilling to stand up to Putin. He and Putin seemed to be speaking from the same script as the president made a conscious choice to defend a tyrant against the fair questions of a free press, and to grant Putin an uncontested platform to spew propaganda and lies to the world.

"It is tempting to describe the press conference as a pathetic rout — as an illustration of the perils of under-preparation and inexperience. But these were not the errant tweets of a novice politician. These were the deliberate choices of a president who seems determined to realize his delusions of a warm relationship with Putin's regime without any regard for the true nature of his rule, his violent disregard for the sovereignty of his neighbors, his complicity in the slaughter of the Syrian people, his violation of international treaties, and his assault on democratic institutions throughout the world.

"Coming close on the heels of President Trump's bombastic and erratic conduct towards our closest friends and allies in Brussels and Britain, today's press conference marks a recent low point in the history of the American Presidency. That the president was attended in Helsinki by a team of competent and patriotic advisors makes his blunders and capitulations all the more painful and inexplicable.

"No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant. Not only did President Trump fail to speak the truth about an adversary; but speaking for America to the world, our president failed to defend all that makes us who we are — a republic of free people dedicated to the cause of liberty at home and abroad. American presidents must be the champions of that cause if it is to succeed. Americans are waiting and hoping for President Trump to embrace that sacred responsibility. One can only hope they are not waiting totally in vain."
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JoeMorgue said:
This is a statement from Senator John McCain.

For those of you outside the US, Senator John McCain is member of the Republican Party, a former Republican Candidate for President, and has been either a Senator or a Representative since 1983 and is one of the more influential members of Trump's party.

The statement reads:
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The key part is the bottom:

Americans are waiting and hoping for President Trump to embrace that sacred responsibility. One can only hope they are not waiting totally in vain.
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Republicans won't do anything.
 
Did anyone else catch the look Putin gave Trump when Trump jumped in to answer to a question that was asked of Putin?

It was the "why should we believe you, Putin"? Trump immediately goes to his Electoral College win. Putin shoots him a look, possibly of annoyance that Trump was boorishly assuming that the question was meant for Trump. But then he realizes Trump has obviated any need for Putin to answer the question.

Then Putin did address the question, asking, "Can you name a single fact that would definitively prove collusion?" I can think of a couple. Notably he didn't deny meddling, which he's probably proud of.

Apologies if this point has been made already; I had to take a break mid-post.

Anyway no worries if Russians get convicted of U.S. crimes; there's always a presidential pardon. Meanwhile Trump has no interest in the fact that Russia/Russians meddled in our elections. Just called the investigation ridiculous instead of saying, "If Russians meddled in our election, we'll get to the bottom of it and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
 
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