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Cont: The Trump Presidency, Part II
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Belz...
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I guess we should just ignore these drops in the bucket, even though the bucket is now overflowing.
Fake news!
Skeptic Ginger
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That webpage is full of click-bait. Guess that's the norm.
chrispy
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Is it sad that, despite not having internet at my place, I venture to my local cafe-bar-liquor store to check what the hell he has done now rather often? I am not unemployed, mind you, but this seems to be a second job these days. Actual concern? Morbid curiosity? I have gotten to the point and have luckily been gone from the US for long enough and few enough ties that I actually tell people, "not my country!"
No purpose to this post, simply thinking out loud
No purpose to this post, simply thinking out loud
BobTheCoward
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Well, since government is permitted to do things corporations cannot, there actually isn't a conflict. Different entities have different rules.
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Not my POTUS. I don't support him. But I do have to say that this is the type of hilarious stuff I looked forward to when trump won the election.
SezMe
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Another entirely incorrect post. Your premise does not lead to your conclusion because there is considerable overlap between the two.
thaiboxerken
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Remember when Trump voters said that Trump would act more maturely once in office?
I guess I was correct in not believing that for a second.
Tony
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I remember. I never believed it either.
BobTheCoward
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The fact that she would not tolerate it in corporations is the point. The same rules do not apply to the two groups. Therefore there is no conflict.
Puppycow
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The thing is, his supporters seem to love this stuff. At least the ones who are vocal on the Internet.
"Haha. The precious snowflakes are triggered again! Trump wins again!!!"
To them he's like the Rodney Dangerfield character in Caddyshack, causing all the elitist old squares to clutch their pearls with his boorish behavior.
The "oh, Trump made everyone crazy, but it's just a dumb tweet" defenses have begun.
Those defenses are stupid and irresponsible. /1
Whoever made the tweet's video is just some childish cultist. Fine. But for the most powerful man in the world to send it out is nuts. /2
Forget, for the moment, whether Trump was serious about physically attacking CNN. The larger issue is his state of mind. /3
This is a 71 year old man, supposedly Leader of the Free World and our Commander in Chief, occupying his time like a teenage ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. /4
On a Sunday morning before our most important American national holiday, this is what he thinks is worth his time. It obsesses him. /5
He does not understand his own legislative initiatives. He has no interest in foreign affairs. But he has time to tweet dumb videos. /6
He does not wake up terrified every day that he does not understand the immense realities of his job. (The rest of us do.) /7
Instead, his first impulse - and we know this because we can track his schedule and movements with Twitter - is to attack media enemies. /8
Trump's supporters should be horrified that all they hoped for from him is a lie. Instead, they're as smug as the media they criticize. /9
Gone are the "we'll keep him accountable" assurances. Now it's "CNN and Joe and Mika are babies." As if this is an excuse. /10
Others merely ask for Trump to stop tweeting, as if *not seeing* his tweets will reassure them that he's regained his emotional balance. /11
The cult are is beyond the reach of rational criticism. They're the Obama cult on steroids, the Clinton cult set to "thermonuclear." /12
[Something is wrong with the first sentence in this tweet. The second looks lile a false equivalence to me. Be hey, can't agree with everything Nichols says.]
But the conservatives who claimed to be concerned but vigilant now have to step forward and just own this. Own it or repudiate it. /13
No more "concern," no more "he's not a politician," no more "he's authentic." None of that works, except for the rubes and angry hicks. /14
If you embrace this, just admit that you don't give a damn about American health, security, or anything else. Just your resentment. /15
If now all you care about is making CNN and the NYT mad, say so. That'll save us all time not having to pretend you care about policy. /16
But as the GOP - and America - melts down in a flaming dumpster, don't blame the media or elites or anyone else.
You are the enablers. /17x
https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/881546248699904000
Those defenses are stupid and irresponsible. /1
Whoever made the tweet's video is just some childish cultist. Fine. But for the most powerful man in the world to send it out is nuts. /2
Forget, for the moment, whether Trump was serious about physically attacking CNN. The larger issue is his state of mind. /3
This is a 71 year old man, supposedly Leader of the Free World and our Commander in Chief, occupying his time like a teenage ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. /4
On a Sunday morning before our most important American national holiday, this is what he thinks is worth his time. It obsesses him. /5
He does not understand his own legislative initiatives. He has no interest in foreign affairs. But he has time to tweet dumb videos. /6
He does not wake up terrified every day that he does not understand the immense realities of his job. (The rest of us do.) /7
Instead, his first impulse - and we know this because we can track his schedule and movements with Twitter - is to attack media enemies. /8
Trump's supporters should be horrified that all they hoped for from him is a lie. Instead, they're as smug as the media they criticize. /9
Gone are the "we'll keep him accountable" assurances. Now it's "CNN and Joe and Mika are babies." As if this is an excuse. /10
Others merely ask for Trump to stop tweeting, as if *not seeing* his tweets will reassure them that he's regained his emotional balance. /11
The cult are is beyond the reach of rational criticism. They're the Obama cult on steroids, the Clinton cult set to "thermonuclear." /12
[Something is wrong with the first sentence in this tweet. The second looks lile a false equivalence to me. Be hey, can't agree with everything Nichols says.]
But the conservatives who claimed to be concerned but vigilant now have to step forward and just own this. Own it or repudiate it. /13
No more "concern," no more "he's not a politician," no more "he's authentic." None of that works, except for the rubes and angry hicks. /14
If you embrace this, just admit that you don't give a damn about American health, security, or anything else. Just your resentment. /15
If now all you care about is making CNN and the NYT mad, say so. That'll save us all time not having to pretend you care about policy. /16
But as the GOP - and America - melts down in a flaming dumpster, don't blame the media or elites or anyone else.
You are the enablers. /17x
https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/881546248699904000
I'm not ignoring that at all but if his approval among the GOP is in the 80's especially the mid to high 80' then he will almost certainly get the Republican nomination in 2020 if he seeks it (and the fact that he is already actively campaigning for 2020 indicates that he likely will). With the GOP "machine" behind him, some GOP supporters and independents who don't like him will still vote for him because of party allegiance or because they refuse to vote for the Democratic Party candidate.
OTOH in 3 years time a lot of people who are not pro-Trump will be so tired by his antics and GOP policy that they will start to become disenchanted with a democratic process that can put this kind of President in office. If that's the case then unless the Democratic Party put up a candidate who is actively attractive (as opposed to merely being a competent politician who isn't Trump) then these people won't turn out to vote and Trump could once again become President with a minority of the popular vote but by winning the electoral college.
Puppycow
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Poll numbers right now are pretty meaningless. The next election is still over 3 years away.
But almost always a sitting president will be his party's nominee in the next election. Usually without a serious challenger either (since Carter).
I do suspect that Trump will have a serious challenger, but the incumbent president still has the advantage unless his approval ratings really get bad. I think it will depend on whether the economy gets worse between now and then, or some sort of major scandal (bigger than the current ones).
The next election is 18 months away. The next presidential election is 3.5 years away. If the legislative election goes the same way the four special elections went a few weeks ago, Trump will be looking at a DNC-controlled legislature. He can't cope with that.
The only thing that will dislodge his support in the retard vote is a failed attempt to cope with a crisis, like Katrina did for Bush. That said, Trump isn't just slowly eroding his support base, he's also acting as a recruited for the opposition. This too could have major implications in the next couple of elections. GOP voters don't need to all vote democrat (or third party) to damage him, they just need to abstain from the elections more than they otherwise would and we could already see significant swings to the other side.
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They have at least two other options: vote third party or don't vote at all. There will be some of each among GOP voters, more than usual, I suspect. Will it be enough? We'll see, but I hope so.
I doubt it will come so far in three more years. This could happen if Trump won again and then Pence would win after him, all victories with a minority of popular vote but a narrow electoral college victory, but not in a single election cycle.
No, the greatest danger in the next election is Trump getting a stack overrun again where his antics lose all effect. It happened in the primaries and again in the presidential elections (with Sanders supporters probably also playing a role with abstaining).
McHrozni
Sure, but GOP leadership wouldn't. Especially not if it looks like they will be hammered even more two years later.
McHrozni
Yes there was a swing towards the Democratic Party, but all four seats were retained by the GOP. This could be the sign of wide-scale voter disenchantment with the Trump presidency, OTOH it could merely have been complacent GOP not turning out for a special election. IMO neither party has cause for complacency. So I guess it depends on what you mean by If the legislative election goes the same way the four special elections went a few weeks ago. If it means a significant swing to the Democratic Party resulting in them gaining control of the House and/or Senate then I agree that Trump will not deal well with that but if it means no net change in the number of seats then I think he will be delighted.
My message to the Democratic Party would be that you cannot rely on "not Trump" to get you back in the game, you need a clear, enticing message well communicated.
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