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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 25

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JoeMorgue said:
1. The Democrats want it, which makes it evil. If the Democrats adopted "Kittens are cute" as a pillar of their party platform today, by close of business on Wednesday at the lastest "Kittens are hideous" would be retconned into always having been a major pillar of the Republican Party Platform.
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I just note that the ACA is basically the Repub health-care plan. It was based on Mitt Romney's successful plan for Massachusetts, which in turn was developed from proposals by the Heritage Foundation. A true Democratic plan would at least have included a public option, and would probably have been much closer to Medicare-for-All. The Repubs won and won't admit it.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

So Crazy to watch Senator Blumenthal of Connecticut lecture all on morals & ethics when for 25 years he said he was a Great War Hero in Vietnam, and he was never even there. He lied & cheated right up until the day he got caught. Thank you to those in military who turned him in!
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Sometimes these guys get carried away with being full of themselves.

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Blumenthal made a handful of false and misleading statements about having served in Vietnam during the period of American involvement in the war there.

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Blumenthal insisted that those misrepresentations were "totally unintentional," as he has also more accurately and modestly represented his military service at other times.
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Hard to think this was misspeaking:
At a ceremony honoring veterans and senior citizens who sent presents to soldiers overseas, Attorney General Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut rose and spoke of an earlier time in his life. “We have learned something important since the days that I served in Vietnam,” Mr. Blumenthal said to the group gathered in Norwalk in March 2008. “And you exemplify it. Whatever we think about the war, whatever we call it — Afghanistan or Iraq — we owe our military men and women unconditional support.”
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When this is what actually happened:
He obtained at least five military deferments from 1965 to 1970 and took repeated steps that enabled him to avoid going to war, according to records.

The deferments allowed Mr. Blumenthal to complete his studies at Harvard; pursue a graduate fellowship in England; serve as a special assistant to The Washington Post’s publisher, Katharine Graham; and ultimately take a job in the Nixon White House. In 1970, with his last deferment in jeopardy, he landed a coveted spot in the Marine Reserve, which virtually guaranteed that he would not be sent to Vietnam. He joined a unit in Washington that conducted drills and other exercises and focused on local projects, like fixing a campground and organizing a Toys for Tots drive.
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Considering the person complaining faked 'bone spurs' to get out of serving at all, it hardly seems like a valid complaint.

Blumenthal's statements were more general than the way Trump describes them. You can read the details in the rest of the article.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Much of Trump's rural base finds Obamacare hilarious because what hospital are they going to use it at?

Again this is just one of those deep, core disconnects between rural and urban mentalities.

In an urban area the big injustice is that the hospital is like... right there but you can't afford to go to it.

In rural areas it doesn't matter how much it goes to go to the hospital, you'll be dead before you get there. Nobody cares how much it costs to go to a hospital that's 100 miles away.
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Do you have a source for this?

And how was the situation better before the ACA?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Do you have a source for this?

And how was the situation better before the ACA?
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Source for what? That things are further away in rural areas or that a hospital that's too for away to get to in an emergency matters more than how much it costs? Because I think both of those are pretty self evidence.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Much of Trump's rural base finds Obamacare hilarious because what hospital are they going to use it at?

Again this is just one of those deep, core disconnects between rural and urban mentalities.

In an urban area the big injustice is that the hospital is like... right there but you can't afford to go to it.

In rural areas it doesn't matter how much it goes to go to the hospital, you'll be dead before you get there. Nobody cares how much it costs to go to a hospital that's 100 miles away.
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People don't go to hospitals only for life threatening emergencies. There would be literally thousands of different reasons to go to a hospital for life improving and life extending operations.

Living hundreds of miles away from a hospital is also true for quite a lot of Norwegians. They still go to hospitals if they have medical problems.

So what exactly is it that rural Americans do if their local doctor diagnoses them with early stage cancer, a kidney stone or any other diagnosis that isn't immediately life threatening? Just lay down and die because the hospital is 100 miles away?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Source for what? That things are further away in rural areas or that a hospital that's too for away to get to in an emergency matters more than how much it costs? Because I think both of those are pretty self evidence.
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Most of what hospitals do isn't emergencies. That's just a tiny part.
 
JoeMorgue said:
1. The Democrats want it, which makes it evil. If the Democrats adopted "Kittens are cute" as a pillar of their party platform today, by close of business on Wednesday at the lastest "Kittens are hideous" would be retconned into always having been a major pillar of the Republican Party Platform.
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You mean like the trumpers who hate Obamacare, but love the ACA ;) ?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Source for what? That things are further away in rural areas or that a hospital that's too for away to get to in an emergency matters more than how much it costs? Because I think both of those are pretty self evidence.
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How far away? As Ryokan says, here in Norway they might have to dispatch a helicopter, or drive an ambulance for three and a half hours (possibly including several ferry rides) if a helicopter is not available, but it's not like they'll tell you that they can't reach you at all. Also they have ambulance planes for when you need to get a patient quickly from a town to a city with a hospital.

If there isn't proper emergency response coverage in parts of the USA, to the point where emergency services can't get to a patient at all, or that it takes too long for them to do so, that's obviously another big problem.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Source for what? That things are further away in rural areas or that a hospital that's too for away to get to in an emergency matters more than how much it costs? Because I think both of those are pretty self evidence.
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But that doesn't have anything to do with the ACA. The ACA was intended to make group health insurance accessible to people who couldn't get it otherwise. It was never intended to solve every problem in the health care system.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Source for what? That things are further away in rural areas or that a hospital that's too for away to get to in an emergency matters more than how much it costs? Because I think both of those are pretty self evidence.
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You mentioned hospitals 100 miles away. Except in some acute emergencies, how is that impossibly far away? Even in tiny Denmark, advanced hospitals can be nearly that far away in considerable areas. That's 45 minutes in an ambulance, 15 minutes in a helicopter.

How can that be more important than the cost?

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Since he pretty much lost the election (by votes anyway), will he repeal Obamacare? The legal angle is that Trump canceled the requirement to buy insurance when he cut taxes. The argument is that by canceling that part of Obamacare they canceled the entire law.

Of course the parts of Obamacare were planned to work together, to bring the cost to the taxpayer down. But still, the legal thinking they have is weak. It's like saying an amendment to the constitution repeals the entire constitution.
 
StillSleepy said:
Pew Research Center on hospital distance. [Pew Research Center]
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From the link:
Rural Americans live an average of 10.5 miles from the nearest hospital, compared with 5.6 miles for people in suburban areas and 4.4 for those in urban areas, according to a new Center analysis.
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That doesn't seem like as much of a disparity as I might have guessed. Obviously some people live a long way from hospitals, but they would be a small percentage of the population. The U.S. has a lot of open spaces. Not everybody can live 10 minutes from from a hospital.
 
MRC_Hans said:
You mentioned hospitals 100 miles away. Except in some acute emergencies, how is that impossibly far away? Even in tiny Denmark, advanced hospitals can be nearly that far away in considerable areas. That's 45 minutes in an ambulance, 15 minutes in a helicopter.
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100 miles is not 100 km
 
JoeMorgue said:
Source for what? That things are further away in rural areas or that a hospital that's too for away to get to in an emergency matters more than how much it costs? Because I think both of those are pretty self evidence.
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What does this have to do with the ACA?
 
I'll assume that's some sort of "Get Woke, Go Broke" criticism on NBA from Dear Leader.
 
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