The Trump Presidency 15

[Doubt]

I don't know about that, his supporters always seemed to know he was full of ****. Like the wall was a metaphor or take him seriously but not literally. It is really impossible to know what they think only that the blatant lies don't matter.

His supporters have to ignore a lot of documentation to make the wall a metaphor. The Republican platform for 2016 calls for a wall running the full length of the boarder.

 

[Trebuchet]

His supporters have to ignore a lot of documentation to make the wall a metaphor. The Republican platform for 2016 calls for a wall running the full length of the boarder.

There you go again, trying to insert facts into a discussion of Trump!

 

[ponderingturtle]

His supporters have to ignore a lot of documentation to make the wall a metaphor. The Republican platform for 2016 calls for a wall running the full length of the boarder.

Hey I am not saying it is rational I just know what my coworkers and many other supporters who see how expensive and useless the wall would be believe. It is always weird what parts they decide are serious and what parts are just lies but fun ones.

 

[Segnosaur]

His supporters have to ignore a lot of documentation to make the wall a metaphor. The Republican platform for 2016 calls for a wall running the full length of the boarder.

I remember seeing a segment on one of the political satire shows (the Daily Show.) They were interviewing a Trump supporter who was complaining that the plans to build a wall would negatively affect his property and his business.

He kept saying that "the wall is a metaphor". Then they played a clip of Trump specifically saying "the wall is not a metaphor", followed by trump giving a very vivid description of the wall (how tall it would be, what it would be made of, etc.) Yet he still claimed "the wall is a Metaphor" (and said he still plans to vote for Trump next time.)

https://www.facebook.com/thedailysh...-lydic-reports-httponcccom/10155822303591800/

 

[Armitage72]

Trump claimed that African Americans are calling the White House in huge numbers to thank him for his performance and praise him for his criticism of Baltimore.

President Donald Trump claimed Tuesday that African Americans are so delighted with his attacks on the city of Baltimore and US congressman Elijah Cummings, an African American, that they are calling him at the White House in large numbers to thank him.
He also claimed that African Americans are generally happy with his performance as president.
"What I've done for African Americans, no president, I would say, has done. Now, I'll say this: they are so happy, because I get the calls," he told reporters as he left for a speech in Virginia that was boycotted by black state lawmakers. "They are so happy at what I've been able to do in Baltimore and other Democratic-run, corrupt cities."
He continued later: "The African American people have been calling the White House. They have never been so happy as what a president has done. Not only the lowest unemployment in history for African Americans, not only opportunity zones for, really, the biggest beneficiary the inner city, and not only criminal justice reform. But they're so happy that I pointed out the corrupt politics of Baltimore. It's filthy dirty. It's so horrible. And they are happy as hell."

Even his cheerleaders at Fox News admitted that he's unpopular.

A Fox News poll conducted from July 21 to July 23 had Trump at 75% disapproval among black registered voters, with 22% approval.
76% in the Fox News poll said it is racist to tell a person of color to "go back" to their country of origin, while 9% said it was not.
In the Fox poll, just 11% of black registered voters approved of how he was handling race relations; 83% disapproved. And, when asked if Trump respects racial minorities, 78% of black registered voters said no.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

Great reception in Jamestown by both REPUBLICANS & DEMOCRATS. Respect for our Country’s incredible Heritage. Thank you!

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Retweeted

Leader McConnell
@senatemajldr
I spoke on the Senate floor today about my extensive record of standing up to Russia, election security, and why we won’t let some Democrats exploit this crisis to push unrelated partisan priorities that have been on their wish list long before 2016.

 

[jimbob]

Has it? I mean, given the source it's much more likely to be false.

Well, there was this earlier tweet:

I understand that China's growth was indeed lower than for about 27 years.

However look at the highlight and Captain_Swoop's other comment...

Trump Tweets

China is doing very badly, worst year in 27 - was supposed to start buying our agricultural product now - no signs that they are doing so. That is the problem with China, they just don’t come through. Our Economy has become MUCH larger than the Chinese Economy is last 3 years....
..My team is negotiating with them now, but they always change the deal in the end to their benefit. They should probably wait out our Election to see if we get one of the Democrat stiffs like Sleepy Joe. Then they could make a GREAT deal, like in past 30 years, and continue....

...to ripoff the USA, even bigger and better than ever before. The problem with them waiting, however, is that if & when I win, the deal that they get will be much tougher than what we are negotiating now...or no deal at all. We have all the cards, our past leaders never got it!

China’s GDP +6%

Further to the above, there is also this from one of my trade comics:

https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/business/652567-2019-07/

Trade War costs $41bn so far
After a year of the US-China Trade War the figures are in for the damage.

Chinese exports of tariff-hit goods to the US dropped 14% or $18 billion – representing 3% of China’s total annual shipments to the U.S.

American exports of tariff-hit goods to China dropped 38%, or $23 billion – representing 15% of America’s annual exports to China.

It's almost as though the Chinese authorities had better-targeted tariffs:

Chinese tariffs on US goods mainly hit agricultural and fisheries products and fossil fuels that could be easily purchased from other countries,

China’s exports to the U.S. are niche products that cannot easily be supplied by other countries at similar cost.

 

[Armitage72]

Trump Tweets

Great reception in Jamestown by both REPUBLICANS & DEMOCRATS. Respect for our Country’s incredible Heritage. Thank you!

I'm pretty sure this is the speech referenced in the article I linked that was "boycotted by black state lawmakers", but I guess they don't count.

A member of the Virginia House of Delegates also shouted at him during his speech and later insulted him on Twitter.

Trump spoke to commemorate the 400th anniversary of Virginia's first legislative assembly in a speech that was interrupted by a protester who yelled, "Mr. President, you can't send us back! Virginia is our home!"

Ibraheem Samirah, a Democratic member of the Virginia House of Delegates, later identified himself as the protester, saying who in a statement released to Twitter wrote, "The fact that racist-in-chief, who so openly stokes hate against immigrants, was even invited to this event is insulting to Virginians and insulting to the history of our Commonwealth's democracy." He also said that "I will always fight proudly against those who espouse racism and dehumanization."

 

[Aridas]

Trump claimed that African Americans are calling the White House in huge numbers to thank him for his performance and praise him for his criticism of Baltimore.

If only it was just like they thanked his father.

In 1976, Trump-owned housing in Maryland was so deplorable that Trump's father was arrested

Really short version? Fred Trump stopped doing repairs on the buildings when the white tenants moved out and black ones moved in. It got bad enough that he was one of the very, very few who were arrested over that kind of thing.

 

[Blue Mountain]

His supporters have to ignore a lot of documentation to make the wall a metaphor. The Republican platform for 2016 calls for a wall running the full length of the boarder.

But not the full length of the border. How long is your average boarder? Six feet, maybe?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweeted

We should immediately pass Voter ID @Voteridplease to insure the safety and sanctity of our voting system. Also, Paper Ballots as backup (old fashioned but true!). Thank you!

 

[jimbob]

Trump Tweeted

We should immediately pass Voter ID @Voteridplease to insure the safety and sanctity of our voting system. Also, Paper Ballots as backup (old fashioned but true!). Thank you!

Stopped clock and all that, but he's actually promoted something that would work if set up properly.

 

[plague311]

Trump Tweeted

We should immediately pass Voter ID @Voteridplease to insure the safety and sanctity of our voting system. Also, Paper Ballots as backup (old fashioned but true!). Thank you!

Ensure, Trump.

I agree with jimbob about the paper ballots. I don't care what they do as long as it's the most secure possible method. Voting machines should never be connected to the internet. They should never be physically accessed without a team of people watching.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Tweets

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Thank you Amy!

Amy Kremer
@AmyKremer
Its true, @realDonaldTrump was at ground zero praising the #FirstResponders following the 9/11 attacks.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1155863580136357888

Link in tweet to video of trump not at Ground Zero saying he was

 

[Andy_Ross]

Trump Retweeted

LYNN THOMAS
@LYNNTHO06607841
Replying to @SenSchumer @senatemajldr DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONLY ONES INTERFERING IN OUR ELECTIONS. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY SO STRONGLY OPPOSE VOTER ID?

Tomi Lahren
@TomiLahren
Police aren't respected because attacking, demonizing and harassing police has been normalized by the media, Democrats, and thugs. ENOUGH! #RespectThePolice

 

[jimbob]

Ensure, Trump.

I agree with the past few jimbob about the paper ballots. I don't care what they do as long as it's the most secure possible method. Voting machines should never be connected to the internet. They should never be physically accessed without a team of people watching.

Yup - from another thread about electronic voting:

I'm a strong believer in the KISS maxim. Keep it Simple Stupid. I'm 100 percent against electronic voting. Paper ballots provides a paper trail that cannot be matched through electronic voting. This isn't to say that electronic voting can and is compromised. I wouldn't know. Our ability to count electronically while a little slower isn't enough slower to justify the concern that a smart hacker at some point might steal an election.

On the contrary, I get it very well.

Earlier postings on this thread indicate that despite your expertise, you didn't know:
- How votes would be stored in the block chain.
- How voters could be identified on the blockchain but how they voted would not be available to others.
- How votes could be added to the blockchain without being corrupted in transit.
- Why we don't need a centralized store for the block chain or the nodes.

When I that I could answer each of your objections, you adopted a new two-pronged strategy:
- You accused me of a "blockchain is wonderful" mentality to the exclusion of everything else.
- You repeatedly made lengthy posts about flaws in originating computers.
(I hope your intention wasn't to drown out our earlier discussions).

You may not know how malware infested computers can be prevented from altering votes before they get "put out there" but that doesn't mean that it is impossible.

You are missing another point. The people need to understand and trust the process. I have no doubt that you know far more about computer science than me - although that isn't much of a plaudit.

I can explain the UK system in a few sentences

• Each household receives a form for registering to vote and the householder fills the form in (with it being an offence to make a false declaration).
• Shortly before an election, each registered voter receives a polling card with the details of the poling station (based in the electoral ward, and nearby and with only a few hundred people - in my constituency, it ranged from 88 to about 1500 per polling station)
• The polling station opens at 7am and closes at 10pm but if you are in a queue to vote at 10pm, it will remain open until the queue has voted
• When you go to the polling station, it's easiest to take your polling card, but not necessary. At the polling station, someone looks for your name and gives you a numbered ballot paper, and writes the number against your name.
• You then go to the voting booth and put a cross in the box by your preferred candidate and put it in the ballot box
• If there is suspicion of foul play, then the votes can be tallied to the voter but it would require an official investigation, and because the data isn't collated until such an investigation is started, under normal circumstances, there is no chance of leakage of who voted for who.

This system is transparent and easily understood. People can see that the votes aren't tampered with.

With blockchain, the fact that you are saying that people with computer-science backgrounds don't understand how it is going to be secure means that the system is not going to be transparent or trusted.

ETA: And the current systems are far from unhackable. I would contend that electronic systems are inherently vulnerable to advances in technology. Paper and pencils aren't

ETA: And the current systems are far from unhackable. I would contend that electronic systems are inherently vulnerable to advances in technology. Paper and pencils aren't

Another facet is that, in a normal environment, old school pen and paper can be subverted but at only at an tiny volume. It's hard to do more than a couple of votes at a time.
If electronic voting is compromised the bad actors could alter thousands of votes at a time, more than enough to swing key seats\states.

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[Stacyhs]

I think it would be easier and less time consuming if Factcheck.org and Snopes concentrated on finding TRUE things Trump says/tweets rather than the false things. His lying is so out of control that it passed the pathological stage a long time ago.

 

[Minoosh]

Trump is calling on paper ballots as a "backup," though. What is he envisioning - everyone voting twice?

Last time I voted it was a paper ballot, nothing electronic. Don't know how common that is.

ETA: It also turned out that early ballots were counted later than Election Day ballots. Don't know why.

 

[plague311]

Trump is calling on paper ballots as a "backup," though. What is he envisioning - everyone voting twice?

Last time I voted it was a paper ballot, nothing electronic. Don't know how common that is.

ETA: It also turned out that early ballots were counted later than Election Day ballots. Don't know why.

Where I vote we fill out a paper ballot and then feed it into a voting machine. I wonder if that's what he's referring to? Keeping the paper ballots for recounts.