The Term "Enemy Combatant"

[Cylinder]

Re: To Dan:

I am going to address the rest of your retort later, for now I have to return to jury duty...

Don't forget to pick up your burqa on the way home.

 

[Jocko]

Re: To Dan:

You are wrong, period.

Thus spake the king of elegant discourse.

Let's do some role playing, shall we?

Maybe that works on your girlfriend; I personally don't roll that way.

I am an Imam is in front of mosk telling me how evil Americans are and how they torture Muslims, blah blah blah...then you go out and get captured.

The actions taken by those G.I.'s will either confirm or contradict what it was that I told you to begin with...

What actions are most likely to have you form a 'good' opinion about American forces???

So the opinion of an islamic terrorist - AFTER he has committed his act of terror and been captured - is somehow important? I'm sure that busload of civilians he's splattered all over the road will look on in approval from a higher plane.

BTW, where's your call for responsibility on the part of the imam? You kinda glossed over that point. Or is he just another assumed "victim" of the wicked, wicked United States and our global empire?

So much compassion for our enemies, so much blame for your own countrymen. Tsk, tsk.

Regardless of what you think, we are in War of Ideology. If we are to win we have to demonstrate a superior set of rules. When you lower standards for the treatment of prisoners, you play into the hands of our enemies. However, when you treat even the worst among our enemies, like human beings, then you disarm those who would accuse us of injustice.

Just because a dungheap in a wheelchair living in flyspeck, TX can be bought off cheap by the government doesn't mean the same approach will work on a terrorist, and that IS what we're discussing: a TERRORIST.

Talk about playing into the hands of our enemies... every word you vomit forth gives them succor. You are an embarrassment not only to your country, but to civilization itself.

The tail of this tale is how you treat those 'innocent' so-called combatants. Sooner or later, the innocent wil be set free (we hope), and when they return to their homes they will tell their tale. Your course of actions insures that this his tale will cause others for form a bad opinion of us and how we treat people.

If they're already innocent, how are they coming to be in the custody of the US Military? And is it really true that there were no terroists working against the US before Gitmo and Abu Gharib? Because that's what you've been saying all along.

During WWII, we inturned or held captive Asian Americans, and the Courts at that time upheld the decision.

Well, yes and no...

Korematsu v. U. S. (1941). The court upheld the constitutionality of detention camps for Japanese-Americans during World War 2.

Ex parte Endo (1944). The court forbade the internment of Japanese-Americans born in the U. S. (Nisei)

Look here before commenting, please.

THAT was F*CKED up! Regardless of the 'need', I find that same notion injust to say the least. Just because we have done it in the past, and had Courts holdup the decision, does NOT mean that I want it happening again!

Hooray for KOA! Coming along to save our liberties, a mere 61 years after the friggin' Supreme Court already did it! Thank you, KOA, how can we ever repay you?

I am going to address the rest of your retort later, for now I have to return to jury duty...

Any lawyer that ever lets you past voir dire is obviously vying for an acquittal on insanty grounds. I presume you are merely called to appear, not to sit on an actual jury deciding actual facts that have actual importance. Son, you jes ain't qualified.

 

[Cylinder]

More evidence of psychological abuse at Camp Delta.

Don't read it if you have a weak stomach. Disgusting. Simply, disgusting.

 

[Jocko]

More evidence of psychological abuse at Camp Delta.

Don't read it if you have a weak stomach. Disgusting. Simply, disgusting.

If I had only known that... that... that Americans were capable of such actions, I would never have said the things I posted above.

I'm so sorry. I had no idea. I'm jumping on KOA's "We had it coming to us" bandwagon right now, and I'm staying there. What an eye-opener.

The horror.... the horror!

 

[Dan Beaird]

Re: To Dan:

You are wrong, period.

More assertions? If you had a habit of countering arguments against your stupid opinions your assertions might gain you some ground. Sadly it's just more hot air from a seemingly inexhaustible source.

Let's do some role playing, shall we?

Okay, I walk down the ten foot wide corridor, open the door, throw in a fireball and then close the door....oh, and I check for traps first. Which dice do I roll?

I am an Imam is in front of mosk telling me how evil Americans are and how they torture Muslims, blah blah blah...then you go out and get captured.

Uh huh, and wind up not getting my head cut off, not getting killed out of hand, eat three square meals a day, pray to the same god I did before I got captured, get free medical and dental attention....I should have signed up to be captured before.

The actions taken by those G.I.'s will either confirm or contradict what it was that I told you to begin with...

Well the actions contradict the drivel you spouted before, but it is seemingly in the interest of the enemy to make people believe otherwise. You're off on a bizarre tangent, why don't you stick to facts and forget the hypotheticals. You can't handle them.

What actions are most likely to have you form a 'good' opinion about American forces???

Let's see, what actions make me form a good opinion about the enemy? The people I was trying to kill? You expect the treatment we give them when captured to make them change their minds? I see you not only have a low opinion of Americans, but you also have a low opinion of the quality of the enemy. Here's a clue: they're all better than you.

Regardless of what you think, we are in War of Ideology. If we are to win we have to demonstrate a superior set of rules. When you lower standards for the treatment of prisoners, you play into the hands of our enemies. However, when you treat even the worst among our enemies, like human beings, then you disarm those who would accuse us of injustice.

You don't know the first thing about war do you? Taking your same tack, since the enemy is demonstrating a set of rules so inferior to ours then by your reasoning they are losing badly. I've said before, your vague accusations are meaningless. Every time you've tried to accuse my side (I don't know what side you're on) of doing all this evil stuff, I've challenged you to present evidence and you haven't. You are a liar, nothing more to be said. Your accusations have no meaning.

The tail of this tale is how you treat those 'innocent' so-called combatants. Sooner or later, the innocent wil be set free (we hope), and when they return to their homes they will tell their tale. Your course of actions insures that this his tale will cause others for form a bad opinion of us and how we treat people.

Well you've gone from assuming that everyone will be held indefinitely to an assumption that those innocent of crimes will be set free at the end of hostilities. That's sort of progress I suppose, although you haven't yet given a single example of how we are systematically abusing detainees in any way whatsoever.

During WWII, we inturned or held captive Asian Americans, and the Courts at that time upheld the decision.

Well, we interned Americans of Japanese ancestry as well as some Germans and Italians. Yep, we interned people. Some of them lost everything they owned. Of course, some of the people we sent overseas lost their lives, so all in all I'd rather be interned. You just don't grasp the difference between war and peace do you?

THAT was F*CKED up! Regardless of the 'need', I find that same notion injust to say the least. Just because we have done it in the past, and had Courts holdup the decision, does NOT mean that I want it happening again!

Well we aren't rounding up muslims for shipment to the settlement camps yet. We're talking about something entirely different...well I'm talking about something different, you're spouting drivel like always.

I am going to address the rest of your retort later, for now I have to return to jury duty...

I sure hope the person on trial isn't an American, you've got them all convicted.

 

[Dan Beaird]

More evidence of psychological abuse at Camp Delta.

Don't read it if you have a weak stomach. Disgusting. Simply, disgusting.

My God! If only I had known! If KOA had been able to present evidence like this I would have been shamed into instantly conceding this entire debate. Those poor poor people. I think we must petition our government and demand that they either stop abusing detainees like this or, failing that, make sure that Americans have an equal right to the same abuse.