Merged The Ted Cruz Birther Thread

[Metullus]

Yeah, I know. Hawaii was an "outlying possession" since 1898 and a was a state prior to Obama's birth. His mother resided in the US her entire life prior to Obama's birth.

I was asking for a legal precedent for the child of an underaged US citizen and resident, especially the mother, with one foreign parent not getting citizenship.

Silly me. I assumed that given that Sunmaster14's statement was

The distinguishing factor was that since Obama's father was not a US citizen, and his mother was a just a touch too young, he would not have been a natural born citizen if his mother had actually traveled to Kenya for the birth.

to which you responded

I've heard brithers make that argument, too, but I've never seen any legal support for the argument.

you were interested in the legal basis for the argument put forth. It did not occur to me that you are looking for the legal basis for a different argument entirely.

 

[Unlike a Bull]

Meh. Some of our best presidents weren't natural born citizens.

 

[Ladewig]

He could have been born on Pluto and he'd still be an American.

I could never vote for someone born on Pluto.
I can already hear you calling me a planetist and Kuiper-Objectphobe but your cries are failing on deaf ears. I will never vote for a Plutonian.

 

[Loss Leader]

There is no evidence that her campaign had anything to do with it. Certainly she was never a birther herself. And of course it was the GOP who ended up with a bunch of conspiracy theory loons in their party.

... While Clinton and Obama attempted to sponsor legislation specifically stating that McCain was a "natural born citizen."

 

[Frank Newgent]

John McCain was born in Panama.

Abe Lincoln was born in a log cabin he built with his own hands. McCain was born in a Panama hat he wore for the occasion.

I've heard Cruz described as the Abraham Lincoln of Sarah Palins. I think he may be more like the Emperor Norton of Antonin Scalias.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I read yesterday that in the role of certifying its members, and certifying presidential results, congress has sole power to determine qualification and therefore has the power to ignore it. Just like there were congressmen under 25, congress could certify a non citizen as president and neither the court nor the sitting president could challenge it.

 

[Tricky]

By the way, do you realize the birtherism stuff started with Hillary's campaign during the primaries?

Yes, almost everyone is aware of that, since conservatives bring it up every time this discussion rises. What they never mention is that she dropped the question rather quickly as soon as it was answered and has never asked it again, whereas many conservatives are still harping on it seven years later.

 

[12AX7]

Maybe...and this is a longshot...conservatives/Republicans will finally see the lunacy of Trump's opinions and knowledge on all things birth certificate-related now that their guy is on the recieving end of his idiocy.

Or not.

 

[Donal]

I guess nether of my kids can grow up to be president ether, they were both C-sections.

They can still kill rogue Scottish kings, though. So they have that going for them.

 

[Border Reiver]

Doesn't Canada have government-run health insurance? That alone makes Cruz kind of suspicious to me. He ain't from around here, and he was subject to Canadian (which shares the three letters with Communism) propaganda at a very early age. How do we know that, once in office, he wouldn't give Maine and the upper peninsula of Michigan to Canada?

We most certainly do have government-run health care! Thanks for asking.

As to why Cruz won't give us Maine and the UP if elected, it's simple - we would rather leave them with yourselves - unless you throw in Vermont as well so we can corner the world market for maple syrup

 

[IXP]

We most certainly do have government-run health care! Thanks for asking.

As to why Cruz won't give us Maine and the UP if elected, it's simple - we would rather leave them with yourselves - unless you throw in Vermont as well so we can corner the world market for maple syrup

And you get Vermont Cheddar as well.

IXP

 

[CORed]

Doesn't Canada have government-run health insurance? That alone makes Cruz kind of suspicious to me. He ain't from around here, and he was subject to Canadian (which shares the three letters with Communism) propaganda at a very early age. How do we know that, once in office, he wouldn't give Maine and the upper peninsula of Michigan to Canada?

Why would we care if he did?

 

[Monketi Ghost]

Yes, almost everyone is aware of that, since conservatives bring it up every time this discussion rises. What they never mention is that she dropped the question rather quickly as soon as it was answered and has never asked it again, whereas many conservatives are still harping on it seven years later.

To be fair, didn't she give a rather evasive answer about it? The question was direct, iirc, someone asked her if Obama was born outside the US and her response was a cagey "Not that I'm aware of".

 

[Giordano]

Why would we care if he did?

Hey- I like Maine! I guess I could always see it anyway if I packed my passport (like New Mexico).

 

[Giordano]

They can still kill rogue Scottish kings, though. So they have that going for them.

I love the "reveal" in MacBeth! Inaccurate in almost all logical ways of thinking about it, but great drama.

 

[Olowkow]

Who knew? Birth certificate is the least of his problems.

Ted Cruz, the junior U.S. senator from Texas and first official contender for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, compared people who think that the climate is warming to "flat-Earthers" and described himself as a modern-day Galileo in an interview with the Texas Tribune.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

I was asking for a legal precedent for the child of an underaged US citizen and resident, especially the mother, with one foreign parent not getting citizenship.

For what it's worth, prior to 1924, if an American woman married a foreign citizen, she automatically lost her American citizenship and was assumed to be a citizen of her husband's country.

That was the case with Spiro Agnew's mother.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Who knew? Birth certificate is the least of his problems.

And they call Obama narcissistic

 

[C_Felix]

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.

I was going to make a nice flow chart, but, aren't we missing a slightly important piece of info?

How long was mommy Cruz in the Great White North.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

That makes ole Abe even more awesome! And I thought he just emancipated the slaves and slew vampires.

I just thing about his poor mother. That would have been on EPIC labor. (In more ways that one. )