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I have uploaded a part of a new scientific article in this regard for you. which fully confirmed God's understanding of DNA in the Qur'an. Please see my previous posts. God's understanding of DNA is absolutely correct. The creator of DNA is God himself. Is it possible that the creator of something has little knowledge about it?!! This argument is completely illogical.

You keep claiming this, but never answer if it was designed by a god, then why was it designed so incompetently.
We could (and can) do better now without the tools of a god.

If DNA were designed by a god, that god is insane, utterly incompetent or totally malevolent.
Which one do you think your god is?
 
Heydarian, you keep claiming verses 50.16 to 50.18 are about DNA, but these verses speak of angels.

Quran Yusuf Ali translation
50:16 It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.
50:17 Behold, two (guardian angels) appointed to learn (his doings) learn (and noted them), one sitting on the right and one on the left.
50:18 Not a word does he utter but there is a sentinel by him, ready (to note it).
 
Hi
My words - the religion of Islam and the Qur'an are not dangerous. And it is not dangerous at all. Please do not make atmosphere. And don't poison the discussion space.


I think your religion is extremely dangerous. And I think recent events such as the -911 attacks (you know what that is?), and what ISIS were doing in Syria, is (a) undeniably lethally dangerous on a worldwide scale, and (b) driven by extreme religious belief.

An important point here is that I would not care what you believed about the contents of the Quran, or your certainty that God exists, except that as you have told us many times, whilst your God will save the believers to heaven, he will torture us non-believers in the most appalling ways for eternity. I don't care whether you believe those things, providing they pose no danger to anyone … but, I think it's unarguable that fanatical religious belief can very easily become extremely dangerous.

Do you agree that 9-11 really happened, or do you think that was all some kind of fake being invented by the western press? Do you accept that in Syria, ISIS were waging a religious war specifically to gain power in Syria and to enforce strict Islamic religious rule?

In London not long after 9-11, we had 4 Islamic fanatics who blew themselves up on London tube trains. A lot of completely innocent unsuspecting people were killed and many hundreds more were terribly injured. The bombers left tapes and writing that explained their reasons for that mass murder attack … they claimed it was revenge for Britain acting with the US military to capture Osama Bin Laden and to remove the Taliban from power in Afghanistan, as well as (IIRC) revenge for Britain's role in removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. Why did the bombers care about any of that? The answer was in their writing and taped messages … they wanted Islam to rule in those countries, and if possible wanted Islam to rule everywhere in the world including in Britain where they had all been living.

Do you think those people were dangerous? How dangerous were they to the commuters on those tube trains? They murdered them … how dangerous do you think that was for those victims.

Do you remember Mulala Yousafzai? At age 15 she was personally hunted down by the Taliban and shot through the head whilst on her school bus. Why did the Taliban do that, what was their reason? It was because she had been using her computer & the internet to campaign against the Taliban closing the schools for girls ... the Taliban decided her punishment for that was that she should be shot through the head. Fortunately for her, and for the world, she survived (only just), and is now living safely and happily in the UK

Just to be completely fair about this, I think Christianity is extremely dangerous too. Although at present it's not such an immediately lethal danger anywhere near on the scale of Islam.

I think you told us before that you have children? And I think it was clear that you teach your children to follow your belief in God & Islam, correct? OK, well I will avoid saying anything about you and your family yourselves. However in general I think that it's a very dangerous thing to do for parents to fill their childrens minds with religious beliefs. Because as the children grow older, and as they come into contact with other Islamic believers who may be far more militant, then the children, who by that time might be in their later teenage years or their 20's, can very easily be persuaded into more extreme forms of defending their faith …

… the dividing line between what we often call moderate theists vs extremist theists, is actually so thin as to be almost non-existent. By which I mean that a Muslim or a Christian who today is only besotted with his/her religious beliefs, but who poses no obvious danger, can by tomorrow (or over just a few months) very easily cross that line into becoming a lethal danger to everyone around them … and in fact, that is exactly what we have seen in the very numerous cases of Islamic attacks in the UK since 9-11 … i.e. in most of those cases, the attackers had changed very quickly from being not especially religious, to becoming besotted with Islamic faith to the point of being a huge lethal threat to everyone!

So, I think that it's really undeniable that religions like Islam and Christianity, are most definitely dangerous. On which basis, I want to dissuade as many Muslims and Christians as I can from belief in invisible almighty gods, miracles, and holy books which must be obeyed (“or else!”).
 
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I think your religion is extremely dangerous. And I think recent events such as the -911 attacks (you know what that is?), and what ISIS were doing in Syria, is (a) undeniably lethally dangerous on a worldwide scale, and (b) driven by extreme religious belief.

An important point here is that I would not care what you believed about the contents of the Quran, or your certainty that God exists, except that as you have told us many times, whilst your God will save the believers to heaven, he will torture us non-believers in the most appalling ways for eternity. I don't care whether you believe those things, providing they pose no danger to anyone … but, I think it's unarguable that fanatical religious belief can very easily become extremely dangerous.

Do you agree that 9-11 really happened, or do you think that was all some kind of fake being invented by the western press? Do you accept that in Syria, ISIS were waging a religious war specifically to gain power in Syria and to enforce strict Islamic religious rule?

In London not long after 9-11, we had 4 Islamic fanatics who blew themselves up on London tube trains. A lot of completely innocent unsuspecting people were killed and many hundreds more were terribly injured. The bombers left tapes and writing that explained their reasons for that mass murder attack … they claimed it was revenge for Britain acting with the US military to capture Osama Bin Laden and to remove the Taliban from power in Afghanistan, as well as (IIRC) revenge for Britain's role in removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. Why did the bombers care about any of that? The answer was in their writing and taped messages … they wanted Islam to rule in those countries, and if possible wanted Islam to rule everywhere in the world including in Britain where they had all been living.

Do you think those people were dangerous? How dangerous were they to the commuters on those tube trains? They murdered them … how dangerous do you think that was for those victims.

Do you remember Mulala Yousafzai? At age 15 she was personally hunted down by the Taliban and shot through the head whilst on her school bus. Why did the Taliban do that, what was their reason? It was because she had been using her computer & the internet to campaign against the Taliban closing the schools for girls ... the Taliban decided her punishment for that was that she should be shot through the head. Fortunately for her, and for the world, she survived (only just), and is now living safely and happily in the UK

Just to be completely fair about this, I think Christianity is extremely dangerous too. Although at present it's not such an immediately lethal danger anywhere near on the scale of Islam.

I think you told us before that you have children? And I think it was clear that you teach your children to follow your belief in God & Islam, correct? OK, well I will avoid saying anything about you and your family yourselves. However in general I think that it's a very dangerous thing to do for parents to fill their childrens minds with religious beliefs. Because as the children grow older, and as they come into contact with other Islamic believers who may be far more militant, then the children, who by that time might be in their later teenage years or their 20's, can very easily be persuaded into more extreme forms of defending their faith …

… the dividing line between what we often call moderate theists vs extremist theists, is actually so thin as to be almost non-existent. By which I mean that a Muslim or a Christian who today is only besotted with his/her religious beliefs, but who poses no obvious danger, can by tomorrow (or over just a few months) very easily cross that line into becoming a lethal danger to everyone around them … and in fact, that is exactly what we have seen in the very numerous cases of Islamic attacks in the UK since 9-11 … i.e. in most of those cases, the attackers had changed very quickly from being not especially religious, to becoming besotted with Islamic faith to the point of being a huge lethal threat to everyone!

So, I think that it's really undeniable that religions like Islam and Christianity, are most definitely dangerous. On which basis, I want to dissuade as many Muslims and Christians as I can from belief in invisible almighty gods, miracles, and holy books which must be obeyed (“or else!”).

Ian, Ian, Ian.

Surely you must know that the people you are referring to are not TRUE MUSLIMS but the other, fake, type.

Yours in Pieces.

:deadhorse
 
Is it good. So you accept the historical identity of the Qur'an. And it cannot be denied in any way. Now we go to the next issue. How familiar are you with the translation and interpretation of the Quran? And how skilled are you in translating and interpreting the Quran? Do you have knowledge in this field? Or do you only see written translations available that are also read? And do you judge these translations? I have to tell you that: my translation and commentary for the similar verses of the Qur'an that have a scientific content are completely accurate - correct and correct. If you do not accept this issue, please bring a scholar skilled in the translation and interpretation of the Qur'an to check my translations. and give his opinion. I am ready to discuss this with him.
This is the most logical way for you to correctly judge the content of the Quran. It is not logical to say anything other than this.
Here I have to tell you all: None of you have the necessary skills to translate and interpret the verses and contents of the Qur'an. And none of you can give a real opinion about Quranic content. I announce to all of you that: Bring a person who is a scholar of Quranic sciences and fluent in Arabic and Quranic language so that I can discuss with him about the translation of the Quran that I am saying. You have none of this expertise. And you cannot speak for the translation of the Quran. I am waiting.


Well while you are waiting (as your last line says) - remember this; just a few pages ago you untruthfully claimed that you are a world renowned professor of Islamic translation ... I asked you about that, and you refused to reply.

Well, equally I can just tell you that I am a world renowned professor of the most accurate translations into English Language.

But you do not understand English. And I can tell you that your translations using the English language, ignorant as you are in English, are all wrong.

So for example when you told us on that previous page that one of the verses said "the heavens with their pathways and their galaxies", your English is all wrong there ... your own translation actually says "the sky with it's clouds by day and it's stars by night" ... that's the correct English translation, because I say so, and I am this great world specialist professor of words used in English.

Thank you.
 
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Ian, Ian, Ian.

Surely you must know that the people you are referring to are not TRUE MUSLIMS but the other, fake, type.

Yours in Pieces.

:deadhorse


Well, that is indeed what they say.

And with your timely reminder, I would like to reassure all the hundreds of thousands (millions actually since 9-11) who have been the victims of those Islamic religious fanatics ... but unfortunaltely they are all now dead (slaughtered).
 
My name is Saeed Heydarian Yazdali. Graduated from Occupational Health Engineering from Beheshti University of Iran. Retired senior director of HSE
..... nuclear .....
40 years master of Quran recitation and interpretation and professor in the field of updating the translation and interpretation of the Quran And researcher in the field of logic and philosophy of existence.

Goodbye


http://www.thegoonshow.net/scripts_show.asp?title=s06e06_rommels_treasure
Grytpype:
Yes, Mr. Hercules Grytpype Thynne, Doctor of Philosophy, Professor and Degree in Mathematics, Master of Arts, MA (Cant. EB.) and Knight Order of the Bath.

Seagoon:
Good heavens. I wish I had those qualifications.

Grytpype:
So do I.
 
I have uploaded a part of a new scientific article in this regard for you. which fully confirmed God's understanding of DNA in the Qur'an. Please see my previous posts. God's understanding of DNA is absolutely correct. The creator of DNA is God himself. Is it possible that the creator of something has little knowledge about it?!! This argument is completely illogical.


Whether or not a God exists to understand DNA, he is not the one who is here telling us about it, is he! No., YOU are the person here who is claiming to tell us all about DNA ... and people here are pointing out that you clearly do not understand what you are talking about when you talk of DNA and evolution.
 
And in some verses (approximately 2,500 verses out of 6,200 verses), he has only mentioned modern scientific points. To be a motivation for scientists. and discover it. This approach is completely correct in the Holy Quran. I hope you think about this matter fairly and without bias.
Many thanks


You are saying that modern day scientists (e.g. since the time of Darwin up until the present day), have been "motivated" (that was your word and your claim) by the words of the Quran, and you say it was those words of the Quran that they followed in order to make their discoveries ... you are claiming that they would not have made all their millions of discoveries if they had not followed the words in the Quran ...

... but none of those scientists and none of the discoveries have been made by scientists who had ever read the Quran! None of them were following anything at all in any Quran.

We can be sure of that. Because as I pointed out to you before - in science, when you publish a peer-reviewed research paper (and that's the way ALL of science has to be published), you MUST give full reference and acknowledgement to any previous work that has lead you to your results ... every scientific paper ever written would be forced to admit that the scientists ideas and results were already in the Quran from over 1000 years ago! ...

... there have been perhaps 5 million or so papers published since the time of Darwin in 1859, but not a single one of those papers has ever needed to reference, cite, or acknowledge anything at all from the Quran.

That tells you as clearly as an "absolute Fact" ever could be, that there is not a single word in the Quran that ever mentioned, described, revealed or predicted any part of modern science at all.

So your claim here is dead in the water … it's thereby proved as dead as dead could ever possibly be.
 
<snip piles of claptrap>


I really cannot fathom any human being in 2022 who sees a book alleged to be by the maker of the universes that...
contains verses saying that the maker of the universe saw that his girlfriend has guarded her vulva and kept it pure and consequently this maker of the universe did the job of blowing into his girlfriend's vulva to make her pregnant with a human being....​
and still thinks this book is worthy of anything other than using it as padding to put in the litter box of his cat or as a chew toy for his dog.

 
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Well while you are waiting (as your last line says) - remember this; just a few pages ago you untruthfully claimed that you are a world renowned professor of Islamic translation ... I asked you about that, and you refused to reply.

Well, equally I can just tell you that I am a world renowned professor of the most accurate translations into English Language.

I am not a professor of anything. I am just a tricky dicky who can spot utter crap when I read it. Which is why I am not a Christian or a scientologist, let alone a dumb assed Muslim.
 
“16 We verily created man and We know what his soul whispereth to him, and We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.
17 When the two Receivers receive (him), seated on the right hand and on the left,
18 He uttereth no word but there is with him an observer ready.”


Nope, nothing about DNA there.

Hello
Of course, there is no more expectation from you to understand Quranic content. You are not in a position to say the updated translation of the Quran or to comment on this matter. You are familiar with the 7th century translation. It is better to stay 14 centuries ago.
Good luck
 
Hello
Of course, there is no more expectation from you to understand Quranic content. You are not in a position to say the updated translation of the Quran or to comment on this matter. You are familiar with the 7th century translation. It is better to stay 14 centuries ago.
Good luck


It doesn’t say anything about DNA because the people who wrote it didn’t know about DNA.
 
Hello
Of course, there is no more expectation from you to understand Quranic content. You are not in a position to say the updated translation of the Quran or to comment on this matter. You are familiar with the 7th century translation. It is better to stay 14 centuries ago.
Good luck

A book written 14 centuries ago cannot contain knowledge that was not discovered until centuries after it was written. That is something every sane person is in a position to say, regardless of how much they do or do not know about the book in question. Your attempts to produce a translation that contradicts this simple and obvious fact are as laughably ridiculous as any such sane person would expect them to be.
 
Hello
Of course, there is no more expectation from you to understand Quranic content. You are not in a position to say the updated translation of the Quran or to comment on this matter. You are familiar with the 7th century translation. It is better to stay 14 centuries ago.
Good luck


You waited a month to say something as silly and as useless as that!?

You are telling us your translation in English, but you are are not qualified to express things in accurate English Language ... in correct English your translations actually say "God is imaginary, and the Quran is a silly old book of ancient uneducated religious superstitions" ... thank you.
 
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