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The Quran has described the phrases well and completely. and described it beautifully in the previous 14 centuries.


No, it didn’t. You had to “update the translations” to make them fit, and nobody was able to do this until after the event. If it had “described the phrases well and completely” it would not have been necessary for you to “update” them.
 
Is God’s complete misunderstanding of the role of DNA one of those reasons?

I have uploaded a part of a new scientific article in this regard for you. which fully confirmed God's understanding of DNA in the Qur'an. Please see my previous posts. God's understanding of DNA is absolutely correct. The creator of DNA is God himself. Is it possible that the creator of something has little knowledge about it?!! This argument is completely illogical.
 
What is your scientific prediction of the future that has yet to be discovered? tell me please


I am not claiming access to future scientific discoveries; you are.

But, of course, you won’t be able to post any testable predictions because your claim is false. There are no scientific revelations in the Quran, and never were.
 
Please be moderate in denying the facts.
The only one denying the facts here is you.

Can you deny the historical identity of an old text like the Holy Quran?
I do not deny that the Qu'ran was written centuries ago.

I do deny that it contains references to scientific discoveries made centuries later, because it manifestly does not.

And there are completely rational, philosophical and scientific reasons that no one but God can have said the contents of the Qur'an.
No there aren't. There are just desperate and pathetic attempts to twist, misinterpret and mistranslate its words in order to pretend there are by people whose reasoning ability has been permanently damaged by the indoctrination to which they were unfortunate enough to have been subjected from birth.

If you have a rational-scientific and philosophical reason to deny this article, please provide it.
I already have. Many times. Your refusal to even try to understand why your "evidence" for your claims is worthless and your whole approach fundamentally flawed is on you, not on me.
 
Good grief, NO!

Look, here is what you just posted -

Yes, you did:

Originally Posted by IanS View Post
Quote: Saeed claims that the Quran contains clear descriptions of scientific discoveries. If this is the case, then people should have been able to use the Quran to identify the discoveries before they were made, and Saeed should be able to provide us with information about future discoveries.
Re the highlight (and to repeat) - Heydarian has done exactly what you are asking asking for!


I was asking for testable predictions regarding future scientific discoveries. You claimed that Saeed “has done exactly what [I was] asking asking for”. That’s why I asked you to link to a post that supports your claim.



I already told you in the clearest imaginable terms, several times over, that Heydarian has indeed been doing exactly what you are asking him for – he says that modern-day science was already predicted/revealed in the Quran by 630AD, and that it has only now been discovered by modern science 1200 to 1400 years later! That's his constant claim in every one of his 1000+ posts … do you really fail to understand that?

Eg according to Heydarian, Evolution was predicted in the Quran by 630AD ... you are asking him to show that to be, and I quote you "a testable prediction of a future scientific discovery" ... well that WAS a future discovery (1200 years future to the Quran), and you are asking him to show that discovery of evolution is "testable" ... but of course science has tested and verified that discovery ... in his mind, and in his claims, the Quran predicted evolution (and hundreds of other scientific "facts") in 630AD, then 1200 years later Darwin comes along and low-&-behold he verifies and tests exactly that prediction of Evolution ... and that's exactly what you are insisting he must do ... well he has already done it hundreds of times over!

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Yes. Exactly evolution has been fully explained by the Qur'an 14 centuries ago. Its terms are Arabic. Not Latin and modern. But each word expresses stages of evolution. Evolution is mentioned in more than 24 verses in the Qur'an and each stage is described. In addition, Darwin only investigated and proved evolution 450 years ago. While in the Qur'an, 3 billion years ago, evolution began to be investigated. and explained. So Darwin has nothing to say about 2.5 billion years of evolutionary stages. And there is a vacuum. Therefore it is incomplete. And evolution is more complete in the Qur'an. Therefore, it is incomplete. And evolution is more complete in the Qur'an.
 
I have uploaded a part of a new scientific article in this regard for you. which fully confirmed God's understanding of DNA in the Qur'an. Please see my previous posts. God's understanding of DNA is absolutely correct. The creator of DNA is God himself. Is it possible that the creator of something has little knowledge about it?!! This argument is completely illogical.


You are blatantly begging the question.

Your god’s understanding of DNA cannot be any better than that of whoever is writing about your god at the time. Hence the Quran as originally written contained no mention of DNA, and because you don’t currently understand the role of DNA, neither does your god.
 
Hello
Yes. Exactly evolution has been fully explained by the Qur'an 14 centuries ago. Its terms are Arabic. Not Latin and modern. But each word expresses stages of evolution. Evolution is mentioned in more than 24 verses in the Qur'an and each stage is described. In addition, Darwin only investigated and proved evolution 450 years ago. While in the Qur'an, 3 billion years ago, evolution began to be investigated. and explained. So Darwin has nothing to say about 2.5 billion years of evolutionary stages. And there is a vacuum. Therefore it is incomplete. And evolution is more complete in the Qur'an. Therefore, it is incomplete. And evolution is more complete in the Qur'an.


Spherical nonsense.
 
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Come on, Saeed, support your claim. You claim that the Quran describes future scientific discoveries; give us a testable prediction about a future scientific discovery, derived from the Quran. You now have your “updated” translation, remember, so the information should be readily available to you.
 
The only one denying the facts here is you.


I do not deny that the Qu'ran was written centuries ago.

I do deny that it contains references to scientific discoveries made centuries later, because it manifestly does not.


No there aren't. There are just desperate and pathetic attempts to twist, misinterpret and mistranslate its words in order to pretend there are by people whose reasoning ability has been permanently damaged by the indoctrination to which they were unfortunate enough to have been subjected from birth.


I already have. Many times. Your refusal to even try to understand why your "evidence" for your claims is worthless and your whole approach fundamentally flawed is on you, not on me.

Is it good. So you accept the historical identity of the Qur'an. And it cannot be denied in any way. Now we go to the next issue. How familiar are you with the translation and interpretation of the Quran? And how skilled are you in translating and interpreting the Quran? Do you have knowledge in this field? Or do you only see written translations available that are also read? And do you judge these translations? I have to tell you that: my translation and commentary for the similar verses of the Qur'an that have a scientific content are completely accurate - correct and correct. If you do not accept this issue, please bring a scholar skilled in the translation and interpretation of the Qur'an to check my translations. and give his opinion. I am ready to discuss this with him.
This is the most logical way for you to correctly judge the content of the Quran. It is not logical to say anything other than this.
Here I have to tell you all: None of you have the necessary skills to translate and interpret the verses and contents of the Qur'an. And none of you can give a real opinion about Quranic content. I announce to all of you that: Bring a person who is a scholar of Quranic sciences and fluent in Arabic and Quranic language so that I can discuss with him about the translation of the Quran that I am saying. You have none of this expertise. And you cannot speak for the translation of the Quran. I am waiting.
 
Is it good. So you accept the historical identity of the Qur'an. And it cannot be denied in any way. Now we go to the next issue. How familiar are you with the translation and interpretation of the Quran? And how skilled are you in translating and interpreting the Quran? Do you have knowledge in this field? Or do you only see written translations available that are also read? And do you judge these translations? I have to tell you that: my translation and commentary for the similar verses of the Qur'an that have a scientific content are completely accurate - correct and correct. If you do not accept this issue, please bring a scholar skilled in the translation and interpretation of the Qur'an to check my translations. and give his opinion. I am ready to discuss this with him.
This is the most logical way for you to correctly judge the content of the Quran. It is not logical to say anything other than this.
Here I have to tell you all: None of you have the necessary skills to translate and interpret the verses and contents of the Qur'an. And none of you can give a real opinion about Quranic content. I announce to all of you that: Bring a person who is a scholar of Quranic sciences and fluent in Arabic and Quranic language so that I can discuss with him about the translation of the Quran that I am saying. You have none of this expertise. And you cannot speak for the translation of the Quran. I am waiting.


No, as far as I am aware none of us is an expert in interpreting the Quran. But you claim to be. All we are asking is that you use your own expertise to provide an example of the information that is contained in the text of the Quran: a testable prediction relating to currently undiscovered science. You appear to be unable to do this.

We are waiting.
 
Come on, Saeed, support your claim. You claim that the Quran describes future scientific discoveries; give us a testable prediction about a future scientific discovery, derived from the Quran. You now have your “updated” translation, remember, so the information should be readily available to you.

Is "teleportation" a scientific reality and ultra-advanced technology? Has mankind been able to obtain it completely? Has he been able to transfer a person from one point to another by teleportation method?
Of course, we know that Prof. Hawking's Penrose proved the issue of "non-destruction of intelligence after death". And he said that human intelligence remains after his death and it can be manifested in the body! Maybe I have not fully expressed this scientific matter in the above words. But in general, this fact has been scientifically proven. But humanity still cannot practically implement this issue. Even for a human. Or even for another living being.
Do you accept this scientific content?
 
Is it good. So you accept the historical identity of the Qur'an. And it cannot be denied in any way. Now we go to the next issue. How familiar are you with the translation and interpretation of the Quran? And how skilled are you in translating and interpreting the Quran? Do you have knowledge in this field? Or do you only see written translations available that are also read? And do you judge these translations? I have to tell you that: my translation and commentary for the similar verses of the Qur'an that have a scientific content are completely accurate - correct and correct. If you do not accept this issue, please bring a scholar skilled in the translation and interpretation of the Qur'an to check my translations. and give his opinion. I am ready to discuss this with him.
This is the most logical way for you to correctly judge the content of the Quran. It is not logical to say anything other than this.
Here I have to tell you all: None of you have the necessary skills to translate and interpret the verses and contents of the Qur'an. And none of you can give a real opinion about Quranic content. I announce to all of you that: Bring a person who is a scholar of Quranic sciences and fluent in Arabic and Quranic language so that I can discuss with him about the translation of the Quran that I am saying. You have none of this expertise. And you cannot speak for the translation of the Quran. I am waiting.

I can read the translations that have been made by expert translators with credentials far better than yours, and see for myself that the Qu'ran contains no references to recent scientific discoveries.

I am very familiar with the way those who wish to read particular things into old texts will twist and misinterpret them. This is a well known and well understood psychological phenomenon. People find references to recent events in the prophecies of Nostradamus, they find references to their own lives in astrological readings (even when they are given the same made up reading as a hundred other people). There is nothing unusual or mysterious in the way you are fooling yourself into believing something that is not true, I've seen it many, many times before.
 
Is "teleportation" a scientific reality and ultra-advanced technology? Has mankind been able to obtain it completely? Has he been able to transfer a person from one point to another by teleportation method?


What does the Quran say about it? What test do you propose to determine whether what the Quran says is correct?

Of course, we know that Prof. Hawking's Penrose proved the issue of "non-destruction of intelligence after death". And he said that human intelligence remains after his death and it can be manifested in the body!


Link, please, to where “Prof. Hawking’s Penrose” has proved and said this.

Maybe I have not fully expressed this scientific matter in the above words. But in general, this fact has been scientifically proven. But humanity still cannot practically implement this issue. Even for a human. Or even for another living being.


No, you haven’t clearly expressed this. And that is why your “updated” translations of the Quran are also unable to clearly express any of this: because they come from you, not from any ‘god’.

Do you accept this scientific content?


Not if you don’t provide any evidence of it that doesn’t come from your own imagination.
 
If, as you claim, the Quran says that DNA is a molecule that receives and stores all our actions, then I am perfectly qualified to say that the Quran is wrong.

The Qur'an has explicitly mentioned DNA and the nature of individual human information storage. It is a beautiful allegory and related to two strands of genes. See the following verses.

Surah 50, verses 16 to 18
Now, why has God used the word "Yetlaq al-Mulatqian" in this beautiful scientific parable and what is its scientific meaning? We need to write something about the structure of the deoxyribonucleic acid molecule, which is the DNA molecule.

The material I am quoting is selected from the valuable DNA article by Professor Von Grary Felsenfeld in Spektrum der Wissenschaft: die Molekuele des Lebens, 1986. Of course, I can't post the pictures mentioned in the text because I don't have access to the full settings of the messages. Since the beginning of this thread, I have not been able to post any image other than the avatar.
The DNA molecule consists of two chains or strands that are placed on the right and left side of the central axis, like a ladder with two legs, and these two legs are connected by a ladder. The basis of this structure is based on nucleotides, and a nucleotide consists of a simple sugar called ribose, a phosphate agent, and an organic base that are connected together. Image (1) shows the ribose sugar. The simple sugar formula and the naming of their carbon atoms, which is widely used in genetics. The left side of ribose and the right side of a hydroxyl agent in carbon, 2 (two primes) are replaced by a hydrogen agent and It shows deoxyribose. DNA is deoxyribose sugars and RNA is ribose sugars. Compare the two formulas, what is the difference between them?
The phosphate agent sits on cranes number 5 (five pyrim) and 3 of ribose sugar and one water molecule is released from the environment. The phosphate binding site is repeated in these places, and with the loss of water molecules, a long chain formula is created. In the atoms of A (a prime carbon) of sugar, one of the four bases of thymine, adenine, cytosine and guanine sits and repeats according to picture number (2). Picture 3 (a short reference for sharpening the mind, the water that comes out is the water that is boiled, which is the basis of the formation of the initial germ of life)
Nucleotides are vertically sequenced in the form of chain macromolecules according to picture number 3. These nucleotides are attached to proteins. That is, the two legs of the ladder are made of proteins, DNA, and RNA, and the inner side of the ladder, which is connected to the steps, DNA and RNA are facing each other, and the four bases T, G, C, A, according to figures 2 and 3, are the rules of the stairs. have Picture 4 shows the two-dimensional structure and picture number 5 shows the three-dimensional structure of DNA.
The basis of the DNA molecule is made of nucleotides, bases and proteins. The way the bases are placed and the type of protein to which the bases are attached form codon or gene coding, which has a detailed discussion. The important thing that we want to draw our conclusions from is the swaying of the two DNA strands and the places where the coding genes are repeated. Genes are the sequence and arrangement of bases in the chain of two strands. As you can see in picture number 5, all three bases form a codon, and in front of each codon is a special protein from 20 types of proteins in the structure of living organisms. The red strand on the right is called peak DNA, which carries the molecular gene.
The arrangement of the bases of the RNA ribonucleic acid molecule is complementary to the bases of one of the two DNA strands or chains. It means the complement of the chain from which the new RNA molecule is made, called the template or sensitive chain.
Therefore, the two chains each have their own work nature. The strand on which transcription is not performed is called the anti-template strand. In the DNA molecule, all genes are not necessarily located on the same chain, but there are both template and anti-template sequences. The two strands are twisted and there is a 360-degree twist in places, for example, in every ten base pairs, which are called the big groove and the little groove. These junctions are repeated every few base pairs and are of particular importance for transcription. It conveys the concept that two fields meet or cross or meet each other in places.
These sites are very important for biologists to decipher. This was the first article

The second article in the discussion of transcription or copying of DNA, three types of messenger ribonucleic acid, transporter and ribosomal are involved. The peak RNA chain carries genetic codes, i.e. three-letter words and genetic code sentences (picture 5). so to speak, into the workshop and the ribosomal ribonucleic acid that is in the DNA structure - the left strand in picture number 4, they are placed in the gene structure after identification. It transports needed bases and molecules and prepares for storage.
Therefore, with the mentioned content, these two strands, right and left, intersect in specific and repetitive places, and the second ribosomal RNA prepares for copying by receiving amino acids and nucleotides.


Now that we have become familiar with the genetic system to some extent, let's take a look at the verses mentioned above and think about them. Surah 50 - 16 to 18
God is closer to him than the jugular vein in the human body, because two right and left intersecting consecutively (Mutalaqian means repeating Yatlaghi) are implanted in the human body, no action can be performed unless the opponent prepares the prerequisites and validates it. records Rival and Atid are two strands of DNA that Almighty God has expressed in a parable. God executes His order with His Spirit in this exchange of information and directs all the mechanisms of data capture and recording, and the example of this was mentioned in the revelation to the bee. Now the meaning of Yatlaq al-Mutlaqian finds its scientific meaning. Two reciprocators with the repeated action of reciprocators are placed in the human body on the left and right, which have the same action of reciprocating.
There are about a few billion cells in the human body, which have genes inside their nucleus, and these billions of genes have an organized relationship with each other. Imagine that if a human does the smallest action, it will be recorded in the gene, and at the same time, this information change will be recorded in all the cells. Biological science has blamed this issue on chemical reactions, but in fact, science has not yet discovered the mystery of its management, and the speed of data transmission is carried out in all billions of cells in one cell, and it is a mind-boggling thing that science jumps There is a world of hidden scientific facts in the verses of the Quran, which can only be understood by thinking and reasoning and comparing with the relevant science, not by the opinions of the past. I hope you read carefully. And there is no need to repeat.
Good luck.
 
I can read the translations that have been made by expert translators with credentials far better than yours, and see for myself that the Qu'ran contains no references to recent scientific discoveries.

I am very familiar with the way those who wish to read particular things into old texts will twist and misinterpret them. This is a well known and well understood psychological phenomenon. People find references to recent events in the prophecies of Nostradamus, they find references to their own lives in astrological readings (even when they are given the same made up reading as a hundred other people). There is nothing unusual or mysterious in the way you are fooling yourself into believing something that is not true, I've seen it many, many times before.

I speak completely scientifically about the Qur'an. And it is completely logical and rational. Again, note my message in 3435. please
You have no skill in translating the Quran. You only read what he wrote. Your reading is not just research. And you can't rely on it. Please bring someone skilled in translation and an expert in Arabic and Quranic language to discuss this issue. please
Thank you
 
The Qur'an has explicitly mentioned DNA and the nature of individual human information storage. It is a beautiful allegory and related to two strands of genes. See the following verses.

Surah 50, verses 16 to 18


“16 We verily created man and We know what his soul whispereth to him, and We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.
17 When the two Receivers receive (him), seated on the right hand and on the left,
18 He uttereth no word but there is with him an observer ready.”


Nope, nothing about DNA there.
 
I speak completely scientifically about the Qur'an. And it is completely logical and rational. Again, note my message in 3435. please
You have no skill in translating the Quran. You only read what he wrote. Your reading is not just research. And you can't rely on it. Please bring someone skilled in translation and an expert in Arabic and Quranic language to discuss this issue. please
Thank you

I don't need skill in translating the Qu'ran to recognise hindsight bias when I see it.

https://skepdic.com/hindsightbias.html

Hindsight bias is the tendency to construct one's memory after the fact (or interpret the meaning of something said in the past) according to currently known facts and one's current beliefs. In this way, one appears to make the past consistent with the present and more predictive or predictable than it actually was.

https://skepdic.com/retroactiveclairvoyance.html

Retroactive clairvoyance is an effect of hindsight bias, whereby one retrodicts alleged predictions or prophecies. That is, after an event has occurred, one claims that a psychic had predicted it, albeit in language or signs too vague or obscure to have been understood prior to the event in question.
 
Now that we have become familiar with the genetic system to some extent, let's take a look at the verses mentioned above and think about them. Surah 50 - 16 to 18
God is closer to him than the jugular vein in the human body, because two right and left intersecting consecutively (Mutalaqian means repeating Yatlaghi) are implanted in the human body, no action can be performed unless the opponent prepares the prerequisites and validates it. records Rival and Atid are two strands of DNA that Almighty God has expressed in a parable. God executes His order with His Spirit in this exchange of information and directs all the mechanisms of data capture and recording, and the example of this was mentioned in the revelation to the bee. Now the meaning of Yatlaq al-Mutlaqian finds its scientific meaning. Two reciprocators with the repeated action of reciprocators are placed in the human body on the left and right, which have the same action of reciprocating.
There are about a few billion cells in the human body, which have genes inside their nucleus, and these billions of genes have an organized relationship with each other. Imagine that if a human does the smallest action, it will be recorded in the gene, and at the same time, this information change will be recorded in all the cells. Biological science has blamed this issue on chemical reactions, but in fact, science has not yet discovered the mystery of its management, and the speed of data transmission is carried out in all billions of cells in one cell, and it is a mind-boggling thing that science jumps There is a world of hidden scientific facts in the verses of the Quran, which can only be understood by thinking and reasoning and comparing with the relevant science, not by the opinions of the past. I hope you read carefully. And there is no need to repeat.
Good luck.
Let's be honest here, matey. You don't actually know anything about biology, do you?

I mean, copying and pasting from random textbooks is one thing, but actually understanding what it means?

And then taking three lines from the Quran as an allegory?

Honestly, I have undergrads who show more understanding than you do.
 
There are about a few billion cells in the human body, which have genes inside their nucleus, and these billions of genes have an organized relationship with each other. Imagine that if a human does the smallest action, it will be recorded in the gene, and at the same time, this information change will be recorded in all the cells.


I can imagine such a thing, just as I can imagine a machine that goes back in time or a djinn living in a bottle, but there's no evidence that any of those things actually happen. Genes do not store our thoughts and actions.

Biological science has blamed this issue on chemical reactions,


What issue? Since it doesn't happen, there's no need for any scientific explanation for it.

but in fact, science has not yet discovered the mystery of its management, and the speed of data transmission is carried out in all billions of cells in one cell, and it is a mind-boggling thing that science jumps


Since it doesn't happen, there's no mystery of how it might happen.

Genes do not store our thoughts and actions.

There is a world of hidden scientific facts in the verses of the Quran, which can only be understood by thinking and reasoning and comparing with the relevant science, not by the opinions of the past. [/B]


But there is no relevant science that says genes store our thoughts and actions.
 
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