The supernatural

[IanS]

And answer 3302:
I have answered you many times. Unfortunately, every time you pretended that I did not answer you. I'm sorry.

I don't "pretend" here about anything, ever!

What is your answer to why you cannot produce any real published scientific research papers that claim to have discovered modern-day science described in the Quran?

Where are those papers? There should be hundreds of thousands of them, because it would be the greatest scientific discovery in the history of all Mankind!

If you cannot produce at least a few hundred real papers that claim to describe evidence of modern science revealed in the Quran, then your claims in this thread are totally proven 100% WRONG & UNTRUE ...

You MUST produce all those science research papers. Otherwise it means that published science research completely and totally refutes and rejects all your claims

The modern scientific content in the Quran written 1400 years ago is said in this book. Open your eyes and see and read it. Dear Philosopher, it is too late to turn the authentic historical and religious book of the Qur'an upside down. You cannot deny it in any way.
In all the holy books of monotheistic religions such as the Bible and the Torah, similar to the modern scientific content of the Qur'an, it is said. You don't see right and you don't read right. I'm sorry.

That is the same claim again from you. So you need to produce all these scientific papers where your claims are proved ...

... where are the research papers?

... you do not have any do you!

There are literally over a million science research papers published since the time of Darwin & his explanation of Evolution (for example), and not a single one agrees with your claims from the Quran....so far your score is precisely Zero out of 1-million!!

Instead what all of published science shows, is that it is YOU who needs to "OPEN YOUR EYES"! ...

... Open YOUR Eyes and try to find any real published science research papers that claim to have discovered that God revealed modern science to Mohamed in 600AD ...

... if you actually "opened your eyes" you would admit and understand that published science research papers completely reject any idea that any 7th century Quran miraculously contained descriptions of modern science discoveries.

That is THE test. That is the ONLY test. If the descriptions really were in the Quran then they would certainly be reported in every science papers ever published ... but the truth, which you cannot admit even though it's in NO DOUBT at all, is that NONE of those research studies have reported any sign at all of any modern science revealed by God in the Quran.

And that is the end of the road for your claims that science is revealed by God in the Quran ... all of science shows otherwise. And that's the end of any discussion with any sane individual in your position ... except of course you are pursing the utterly insane barking-mad position here of religious total delusion to the level of utter madness (extremely dangerous madness as well by the way ... because, ultimately, as we have seen so many times with religious attacks around the world, that lethally dangerous religious deluded madness is now murdering millions of people on a worldwide scale)

But in the Quran, there are the most complete materials of modern science.
Unfortunately, throughout history, the translators and commentators of these divine holy books have not kept up to date. And their translations are old. And it is not up to date. My work in translation and interpretation of the Quran is new and up-to-date. Do not doubt. Yes, I have the courage to do so. And I stand by my word like a mountain until the end of my life. And I will not withdraw in any way. Because my words are absolutely true for the dear and beautiful Quran. The Qur'an is oppressed. And no one wants to take a step for the dear Quran. I am. I defend the Quran with all my heart. No holy book is as complete and up-to-date as the Qur'an. The Quran is unique. It is unique. The content is new. But this content was in the Quran. Just not translated up to date.
Don't always say give a scientific article. no The Quran itself is the most complete article. And all the scientific articles have discovered some of the scientific contents of the Quran.
The verses of modern science are clear in the Quran. Open your eyes and read carefully:
...

All of that is just more & more of your fanatical religious preaching, and it's all been totally refuted and destroyed as an argument by what I have just said to you above ... and it's the same as I've said to you & asked you for answers at least 100 times here already ... and so far you have proved incapable, and actually dishonestly unwilling to admit that you do not have any honest true answers at all ... you do not have any real research papers that support a single word of your fanatical religious beliefs.

If you do not have the papers then you do not have an argument … where are the papers … you must produce them, or else admit that science rejects your claims.

 

[heydarian saeed]

If you can explain to me why Allah saw it fit or necessary to do the job of blowing into الفرج of his girlfriend Mary to make her pregnant with Jesus... I promise I might start looking at your pseudo-science claptrap.

If you do not know the meaning of the word then copy and paste it into google translator to see what it gives you.

And if you are not familiar with the Ayah ... then it is Q66:12... also look at ayah 5:75

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Hello
Please ask the Christian scholars your question.
But in the book of Quran, this is the same verse that you posted the picture of. It says that God revealed his order to Maryam and she became pregnant with Jesus. "The soul in eukaryotes occurred approximately 1 billion years ago". And God has said that the creation of Jesus and Adam is the same. And they are not different from each other. Please don't be too specific about this because you won't get anything. You will not understand anything. Because this matter was a "divine miracle". do not doubt.
Thanks

 

[Norman Alexander]

Hello
Please ask the Christian scholars your question.
But in the book of Quran, this is the same verse that you posted the picture of. It says that God revealed his order to Maryam and she became pregnant with Jesus. "The soul in eukaryotes occurred approximately 1 billion years ago". And God has said that the creation of Jesus and Adam is the same. And they are not different from each other. Please don't be too specific about this because you won't get anything. You will not understand anything. Because this matter was a "divine miracle". do not doubt.
Thanks

So your standard response is "Don't use logic, don't look too deeply, don't ask questions. Just believe." Is that correct?

 

[heydarian saeed]

A fanatic was once defined (supposedly by Winston Churchill) as "one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject". You fit it perfectly.

We're coming up on the first anniversary of this thread. That's a year you've spent trying to convince us of something which is manifestly not true - that the Qu'ran contains references to scientific discoveries not yet made when it was written. In all that time you've made no attempt whatsoever to understand why we reject your silly "logic". As you're clearly never going to change your mind, don't you think it's time you at least changed the subject?

Hello, dear Pixel
I have a different opinion with you and Churchill. By the way, I am translating an old text into a modern one. But I have no bias to accept my opinion by anyone. I respect everyone's opinion.
Your suggestion to change the topic is a good one. Whatever you say. You suggest the topic to be changed. I agree with you on this.
Thank you very much
Saeed

 

[heydarian saeed]

So your standard response is "Don't use logic, don't look too deeply, don't ask questions. Just believe." Is that correct?

Hello
no It is not so.
There is no question about divine miracles only. In other cases, any question or objection is appropriate. And it is acceptable. And I am responsible for this topic.
Thank you

 

[Pixel42]

I am translating an old text into a modern one.

That is not possible. Every text is a product of its time. Its accuracy and value can be reassessed in the light of new discoveries and changing perspectives, but the text itself cannot be changed (and that's what you're doing, not "translating") without betraying its authors intentions.

 

[Leumas]

Hello
Please ask the Christian scholars your question.
But in the book of Quran, this is the same verse that you posted the picture of. It says that God revealed his order to Maryam and she became pregnant with Jesus. "The soul in eukaryotes occurred approximately 1 billion years ago". And God has said that the creation of Jesus and Adam is the same. And they are not different from each other. Please don't be too specific about this because you won't get anything. You will not understand anything. Because this matter was a "divine miracle". do not doubt.
Thanks

So it was not scientific that Allah had to do the job of blowing in his girlfriend Mary's فرج so that she becomes pregnant??

 

[IanS]

Hello, dear Pixel
I have a different opinion with you and Churchill. By the way, I am translating an old text into a modern one. But I have no bias to accept my opinion by anyone. I respect everyone's opinion.
Your suggestion to change the topic is a good one. Whatever you say. You suggest the topic to be changed. I agree with you on this.
Thank you very much
Saeed

The "opinion" given in the name of Churchill, was that the word "Fanatic" means someone who cannot change his mind and cannot or will not change the subject. You have spent a whole year here and more that 1000 posts all on exactly the same subject of claiming that the Quran contains descriptions of modern science ...

... but as I have pointed out to you well over 100 times now, science totally rejects your claims. The published science finds no evidence of any modern science being described by the words of God in any Quran.

You have quoted lines from the Quran probably 200 times or more here, but none of those lines/verses contain any mention of modern science. You are claiming that to you the words do sound like things we now know from modern science, and since you think it sounds like that, you are claiming that is indeed what it is (i.e. a description of modern science), but anyone who is not a fanatical Islamic religious nutcase does NOT see any reference to modern science in any of those verses ... but in particular, and far more importantly, no real research scientist in the world sees any mention of modern science in any of your verses!

For example, above you just replied to me with this (quoted below) as an example of what you see as a description of modern science -

... - I swear to the sky with a mesh galaxy texture! (The Hubble telescope
managed to capture this in 2010! But in the 7th century, the Qur'an presented this image of the sky!!)

Anyone can easily check what those verses actually say. Here for example are all the well known accepted typical translations -

SURAH ADH-DHARIYAT AYAT 7 (51:7 QURAN) WITH TAFSIR
Surah Dhariyat*>> Currently viewing Surah Dhariyat Ayat 7 (51:7)
SURAH DHARIYAT AYAT 7 IN ARABIC TEXT

ENGLISH TRANSLATION
Here you can read various translations of verse 7
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL

By the heaven containing pathways,
YUSUF ALI
By the Sky with (its) numerous Paths,
ABUL ALA MAUDUDI
By the heaven with its numerous forms:
MUHSIN KHAN
By the heaven full of paths,
PICKTHALL
By the heaven full of paths,
DR. GHALI
And (by) the heaven comprising interwoven tracks,
ABDEL HALEEM
by the sky with its pathways,


What you are claiming as your own translation is absolutely nothing like any of the historically accepted translations from academics studying and teaching Islam in independent universities.

We have been through all the hundreds of examples like this with you a hundred times before in this thread. You are simply claiming (like all ijaz preachers) that you can invent your own translations and say “Ahh … now look at my own lovely translation, see it says “GALAXY” … so God told Mohamed about “Galaxies” in the 7th century!” … But there is no word there in the Quran for “Galaxy”! … neither Mohamed or anyone else, and not even your supposed “Allah/God” had ever heard of such a thing as a Galaxy in space outside of our solar system.

Which word in the Quran are you claiming to mean “a galaxy in deep space such as the Andromeda Galaxy”???

You are constantly doing this – dishonestly inventing your own meaning and then claiming to find it in the Quran.

If you going to keep dishonestly doing that, as you have done literally hundreds of times before here, then the rest of us might just as well do the same thing and insist to you that because you do not really understand the English Language, you are not qualified to produce any translation in English. And therefore what we will do (as you are always doing) is take the sentences that you write, such as where you just said “Surah 51:7 I swear to the sky with a mesh galaxy texture", and tell you that in properly translated English that sentence from you actually translates correctly as -

“Suah 51:7 I curse the sky for it's clouds are formed of pig manure”.

OK, so that is now the modern up-to-date proper accurate translation, and I say so because I know & understand English, whereas you are ignorant and uneducated in English language & writing.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

If according to you, angels are "forces and energies in the universe", then Mohammad never received the Koran from the angel Gabriel, and Mary, mother of Jesus, never received the news from Gabriel.

heydarian saeed, why can't you answer this simple observation?

 

[aleCcowaN]

First, he should provide the document promised in the OP. Otherwise this thread is a subjectless fake and should be closed. All of his preach and the sundry nonsensical insuciance he provided instead won't replace that.

 

[MRC_Hans]

First, he should provide the document promised in the OP. Otherwise this thread is a subjectless fake and should be closed. All of his preach and the sundry nonsensical insuciance he provided instead won't replace that.

I support the motion to close the thread. It obviously goes nowhere.

Hans

 

[heydarian saeed]

That is not possible. Every text is a product of its time. Its accuracy and value can be reassessed in the light of new discoveries and changing perspectives, but the text itself cannot be changed (and that's what you're doing, not "translating") without betraying its authors intentions.

Hello, dear Pixel
no
There are modern scientific discoveries in the translation and text of the Quran. And it is quite clear. Unfortunately, Muslims are not looking for this correct and up-to-date translation of the Quran. The problem is with Muslims. not from you But your thinking about the work of translating and updating the Quran by me is wrong. I do not cheat. I see and say the truth of the Quran translation. You are misjudging Carmen in this case.

 

[heydarian saeed]

So it was not scientific that Allah had to do the job of blowing in his girlfriend Mary's فرج so that she becomes pregnant??

Hello
I'm sorry for you.

 

[heydarian saeed]

The "opinion" given in the name of Churchill, was that the word "Fanatic" means someone who cannot change his mind and cannot or will not change the subject. You have spent a whole year here and more that 1000 posts all on exactly the same subject of claiming that the Quran contains descriptions of modern science ...

... but as I have pointed out to you well over 100 times now, science totally rejects your claims. The published science finds no evidence of any modern science being described by the words of God in any Quran.

You have quoted lines from the Quran probably 200 times or more here, but none of those lines/verses contain any mention of modern science. You are claiming that to you the words do sound like things we now know from modern science, and since you think it sounds like that, you are claiming that is indeed what it is (i.e. a description of modern science), but anyone who is not a fanatical Islamic religious nutcase does NOT see any reference to modern science in any of those verses ... but in particular, and far more importantly, no real research scientist in the world sees any mention of modern science in any of your verses!

For example, above you just replied to me with this (quoted below) as an example of what you see as a description of modern science -





Anyone can easily check what those verses actually say. Here for example are all the well known accepted typical translations -

SURAH ADH-DHARIYAT AYAT 7 (51:7 QURAN) WITH TAFSIR
Surah Dhariyat*>> Currently viewing Surah Dhariyat Ayat 7 (51:7)
SURAH DHARIYAT AYAT 7 IN ARABIC TEXT

ENGLISH TRANSLATION
Here you can read various translations of verse 7
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL

By the heaven containing pathways,
YUSUF ALI
By the Sky with (its) numerous Paths,
ABUL ALA MAUDUDI
By the heaven with its numerous forms:
MUHSIN KHAN
By the heaven full of paths,
PICKTHALL
By the heaven full of paths,
DR. GHALI
And (by) the heaven comprising interwoven tracks,
ABDEL HALEEM
by the sky with its pathways,


What you are claiming as your own translation is absolutely nothing like any of the historically accepted translations from academics studying and teaching Islam in independent universities.

We have been through all the hundreds of examples like this with you a hundred times before in this thread. You are simply claiming (like all ijaz preachers) that you can invent your own translations and say “Ahh … now look at my own lovely translation, see it says “GALAXY” … so God told Mohamed about “Galaxies” in the 7th century!” … But there is no word there in the Quran for “Galaxy”! … neither Mohamed or anyone else, and not even your supposed “Allah/God” had ever heard of such a thing as a Galaxy in space outside of our solar system.

Which word in the Quran are you claiming to mean “a galaxy in deep space such as the Andromeda Galaxy”???

You are constantly doing this – dishonestly inventing your own meaning and then claiming to find it in the Quran.

If you going to keep dishonestly doing that, as you have done literally hundreds of times before here, then the rest of us might just as well do the same thing and insist to you that because you do not really understand the English Language, you are not qualified to produce any translation in English. And therefore what we will do (as you are always doing) is take the sentences that you write, such as where you just said “Surah 51:7 I swear to the sky with a mesh galaxy texture", and tell you that in properly translated English that sentence from you actually translates correctly as -

“Suah 51:7 I curse the sky for it's clouds are formed of pig manure”.

OK, so that is now the modern up-to-date proper accurate translation, and I say so because I know & understand English, whereas you are ignorant and uneducated in English language & writing.

Hello
Your answer is what I told you. And it is absolutely correct.
Unless you can present the opposite of what I have said about the Quranic verses.
In no way can you bring. Your effort is completely futile. Don't tire yourself. Get some rest, dear philosopher. I love you so much.

 

[heydarian saeed]

heydarian saeed, why can't you answer this simple observation?

Hello
Please do not be superstitious.
Be logical and up-to-date.
Gabriel is one of God's special forces. which is moving between parallel worlds. It is completely understandable. Do not use supernatural interpretations. Gabriel is a special force of God. And he was the messenger of God's revelation to the prophets. This. More than this is just superstition. Please do not continue.
All angels are only forces and energies that God has appointed them to perform a certain task. And none of them act against God's will. They are only subject to God's orders. "All angels are only forces and energies subject to God's command. And God controls and moves the universe through them. Each of them has its own special task."
For the angels, anything other than this is just superstition and imagination. Please don't be superstitious.

 

[heydarian saeed]

First, he should provide the document promised in the OP. Otherwise this thread is a subjectless fake and should be closed. All of his preach and the sundry nonsensical insuciance he provided instead won't replace that.

Hello
Please open your eyes wide. and see All my content is with an authentic document from the most authentic book in the world, the Qur'an.
Please open your eyes wide.

 

[heydarian saeed]

I support the motion to close the thread. It obviously goes nowhere.

Hans

Hi dear friend
welcome.
I am in no way waiting for your support to close this thread. Are you against open discussion about a topic? Your objection is valid. And I am responsible. But... waiting for a thread or open discussion to be closed is very Unwise and illogical. Please be free-spirited and chivalrous.
Please think better.

 

[Susheel]

I support the motion to close the thread. It obviously goes nowhere.

Hans

Thirded...

 

[heydarian saeed]

Hello to all of you dear friends

I examined 12 theories about "human nature and creation system".
Confucius school - Hindu religion - Buddhist school - Plato - Aristotle - Judaism and Christianity - Islam - Kant - Marx - Freud - Sartre - Darwinian theories.

While respecting all these views, they have flaws. I am a Muslim, but the view of Islam, of course, with the logic of the "narrative of the Qur'an" is ambiguous about some cases. And it confuses and surprises a person in the first impression. And it creates doubt for humans. And it is necessary to resolve the ambiguities by further investigation and considering all dimensions.
Those who follow the foundation of Hume's theoretical philosophy, it is natural to have a streak of professional and destructive skepticism. His reputation for atheism - originality of sense - empiricism and negated causality prevented him from dying in his philosophical peace. While he had no faith in life after death and re-creation.
The most important problem of Hume's theory is his denial of causality. " While he himself proceeds with the approach of causality to prove this issue!!?? "
Hume unconsciously used his criticisms and objections as a reason to reach his goal, which is the refutation of causality, "in fact, it is the insistence on the falsification of causality through causality." Russell noticed this weakness of Hume and says: " Hume imagines It criticizes and explains causality, but it does this criticism and explanation based on causality!! " Because the result of his opinion is that there is a cause in our mind to get the idea of causality, and that cause is expectation, imagination, and habit, and this itself is the result of the sequence of events!! (Wall, 1996, 324).
While Hume rejects John Locke's theory (that feelings have external causes). But wherever he forgets his principles, he accepts this assumption (external cause of feelings and mental events)!! (Russell, 1986, 842).
He has always tried to justify some of his apparent theoretical and practical contradictions in a way to escape from these inconsistencies of conscience and external accusations. Therefore, in response to the question of why we draw different conclusions from our experiences, he says: because of convenience! If we believe that fire gives heat or water cools, it is only because if we think otherwise, we will become the source of more pain and suffering!! The meaning of Hume's argument is that "it is foolish to believe, but how comfortable it is to be foolish"!! (Thomas, 1993, 442).
According to Hume, although the cause and effect in the universe and outside, lacks rational justification and happens based on our habits and assumptions. But he himself admits that it would not be wise to throw myself out of the window!! (Bergman, 2005, 83). As far as it has been said, he doubted the relationship between cause and effect in philosophy, but in ethics and politics, he considers it difficult!! In such a way that it becomes one of the companions of the theory of necessity (the existence of the order of the effect on the cause)!! And he knows history based on philosophical research that man has a special nature and does not violate it, and his actions are a definite result!! In fact, Hume's whole effort was to deny himself and his foolish approach.
Elders such as; Kant - Russell - Popper - Wrighthead - Stroll and Popkin consider Hume's Denial causality approach to be a ridiculous theory.
...

 

[heydarian saeed]

Thirded...

Hello
Thank you
I'm sorry for you