The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

Your past conduct does not inspire confidence in your honesty, heydarian. You have shown yourself, time and time again, to be so utterly lacking in intellectual integrity, and so given to outright dishonesty when it comes to defending the superstitions you have been fed all your life, that we cannot help doubting that you actually mean what you say this time.

Nevertheless, we'd still like to give you the benefit of the doubt, yet again, but only if you put behind you your past slipperiness and equivocation, and start talking straight. Therefore, we'd like you to very clearly state what exactly you mean to say when you say, "I will definitely do it." What will you "definitely do", heydarian, what exactly?

Please clearly state the following, in so many words, or their equivalent: "I, heydrarian sayeed, promise to stop fanatically supporting my lifelong indoctrination about Islam and the Koran. I promise to consider, honestly and with an open mind, the possibility that the Koran is not the gospel truth I have been taught all my life. I promise to consider, sincerely and with an open mind, the possibiity that the Koran is a nonsensical book of superstitions, that has nothing whatsoever to do with science. I promise to refer to mainstream sources of the kind that Pixel42 and IanS and others here have been pointing to for questions of science, rather than the pseudoscience peddled by many of my fellow Muslims. And I promise to stop lying, for instance, never again will lie that I have tested the Koran in the laboratory, when in fact I have done nothing of the sort."

Go ahead, then. Clearly promise the above, in so many words, or else in your own words but in unequivocal terms. It is never too late to turn over a new leaf. We'll all be very happy if our time spent here might have helped you do that.

Hello dear master
Thank you very much for your great kindness to me. I really love you.
But what I have to say about the content of your message is:
Doubt is not compatible with my mood. I am not looking for doubts in matters. And I reject doubt completely. If a subject is proven to me completely through science or logic and philosophy, I will accept it. This is my approach. And it is absolutely true. Of course, this is a professional skeptics association. But I'm not skeptical. Never. Doubt is not in line with my thoughts. I am looking for certainty. Everything I say about God and the Qur'an is certain. And I have no doubt in these words. "God exists" and science has proven it. Although not possible in the laboratory. But the objective evidence for the existence of God in the universe is fully visible. Science in the field of quantum has discovered very valuable material for the existence of God and the supernatural. And these discoveries are always going on.
I beg you to stop doubting and indoctrinating superstitions. And put it aside.
I really love you.
The last paragraph of your speech is absolutely correct. And I highlighted it. Because the content is outstanding and good. Rest assured that I follow your last letter in this paragraph.
I am Saeed Heydarian Yazdali, a free Muslim. I love God and the Quran. Without any superstitions. God and the Qur'an are completely scientific. Quantum and modern science are now proving this. And in the future, any new science will prove God and the Qur'an. "The relationship between God and the Qur'an and science is like the relationship between the body and life."There are no superstitions in the Qur'an and the one God. Clean clean. Your problem is that you have seen the Qur'an and God and Islam as practiced by Muslims and Islamic governments. And so your judgment is based on your observations. While it is a pure mistake. The Qur'an - God and true Islam are 180 degrees different from what Muslims and Islamic governments practice. There is a huge difference. Islam - The Qur'an and belief in the One God is not at all what is being done in the world. Never. Never. This Islam and the Qur'an and the faith in the one God that you see are completely polluted. It is a superstition. It is not pure. The real principle of these is perfectly clean and beautiful.
It is completely scientific and logical. Dirty, ugly and hated politics have no way in these. Unfortunately, Islamic governments do not understand that they are making a big mistake by incorrectly implementing Islam and the Qur'an. And with this ugly approach, they destroy the beautiful face of Islam and the Qur'an in the world. Islam is a religion of equality, humanity and happiness. The Quran is a comprehensive scientific book. And with the advancement of science and technology, the Qur'an is up-to-date at all times. It is completely up to date. There are no superstitions in it. I have given you examples of modern Quranic science in this topic. Read my Quranic scientific articles again.
This prevents you from accepting logical and scientific statements about the Qur'an and God:
You are an infidel. You are a professional skeptic. You have only seen the superstitious approach of Islam and the Qur'an in ostensibly Islamic governments. And you yourself do not have any proper research on the Qur'an, God and Islam. To judge them correctly based on logic and science. I will name just one example of a great and free writer and researcher in Britain. Mrs. Karen Armstrong I recommend you read his works. This lady makes you and us proud.Thanks

 

[Pixel42]

Doubt and scepticism are fundamental to science. If you reject them, you reject science.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Everything that you have said above about the dates, about evolution, about monkeys etc. is completely 100% scientifically wrong!

You are clearly ignorant of all that science has discovered & published about evolution. And you just keep lying for God in every post that you make. Since you cannot ever tell the truth or ever be honest at all, it is quite useless any educated people ever trying to talk to you.

Not
I'm sorry
It is completely scientific.
The Qur'an describes all the scientific stages of abiogenesis. I have no doubt. My research is complete. And I told you in this thread.
There is no obligation for you to accept the completely scientific contents of the Qur'an. Option with you. But there is no denying it.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Doubt and scepticism are fundamental to science. If you reject them, you reject science.

Hello dear Pixel
Happy new day
Doubt is the basis of scientific research. And it is absolutely true. But the doubts about the proven and definite issues are completely rejected. Isn't that so?

 

[Mojo]

The Qur'an describes all the scientific stages of abiogenesis.

Oh good. Then you’ll be able to post a full description of abiogenesis here.

 

[Pixel42]

Hello dear Pixel
Happy new day
Doubt is the basis of scientific research. And it is absolutely true. But the doubts about the proven and definite issues are completely rejected. Isn't that so?

No. There is always a possibility, however unlikely, that new evidence will be found that will require a rethink.

More importantly, the things you are claiming are proven and definite are neither proven nor definite. You are misinterpreting and twisting evidence in order to justify continuing to believe the things you want to believe, which is the exact opposite of science.

 

[IanS]

Not
I'm sorry
It is completely scientific.
The Qur'an describes all the scientific stages of abiogenesis. I have no doubt. My research is complete. And I told you in this thread.
There is no obligation for you to accept the completely scientific contents of the Qur'an. Option with you. But there is no denying it.

No, the Quran does not describe any "scientific stages of abiogenesis". It does not describe any of the discoveries and explanations from modern science. And we have been through that with you at least literally 200 times already in this thread!!! ...

... when you are asked to quote the actual words of where the Quran says any such thing, all you can quote are simple sentences that make no mention of any modern science ... but you claim, and your fundamentalist Islamic friends claim from Ijaz beliefs, that you can re-word those sentences in the Quran to make it look like the words could look a bit like some things described in modern science ... you are trying to re-write the Quran with what you want it to say ....

... BUT the test is simple - if you are right to claim that modern science was revealed by the Quran 1500 years ago, then that would be in every modern scientific paper - every paper ever published would be all about this fantastic proof of God with the astonishing discovery that, as you claim, the ancient Quran describes all such things as human evolution, relativity, neutron stars, black holes, quantum theory, the big bang etc etc ....

... if that really was in the Quran then every scientist in the world would be publishing all of the evidence for that ...

... so please produce all these published science research papers that show all of this science revealed in the Quran ... where are those papers?

... where are all the worlds research papers that confirm and agree that any modern science was ever revealed in a Quran?

... if you cannot produce any such papers claiming that science was all revealed in the Quran, then you are simply wrong and you have no credibility at all in making such claims.

If any scientists ever discover that modern explanations were actually explained by someone else at some much earlier date, then they MUST, admit that earlier explanation and give full credit to it … that is an essential part of all science – all scientists and all scientific publications MUST give full credit to the original discoveries … so where are all these tens of thousands of research papers in physics, chemistry and biology describing how in fact the Quran revealed all of modern science way back in the 7th century? …

... produce all the papers please.

 

[IanS]

Not
I'm sorry
It is completely scientific.
The Qur'an describes all the scientific stages of abiogenesis. I have no doubt. My research is complete. And I told you in this thread.
There is no obligation for you to accept the completely scientific contents of the Qur'an. Option with you. But there is no denying it.

And, ... just to add a specific example (which we have also been through with you at least 20 times before) -

- in the Quran it says that God created Man from moulding some wet mud or clay into a human shape ... here are some direct quotes of that from the Quran -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_in_Islam

https://www.alim.org/quran/compare/surah/38/71
إِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَـٰٓئِكَةِ إِنِّى خَـٰلِقٌۢ بَشَرًا مِّن طِينٍ71
Asad Quran Translation
[For,] lo,54*thy Sustainer said unto the angels:"Behold, I am about to create a human being out of clay;55
Malik Quran Translation
Behold when your Rabb said to the angels: "I am about to create a man from clay:
Yusuf Ali Quran Translation
Behold thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man from clay:*4225*4226
Mustafa Khattab Quran Translation
˹Remember, O *Prophet˺ when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create a human being from clay.
Piktal Quran Translation
When thy Lord said unto the angels: lo! I am about to create a mortal out of mire,
Quran Transliteration
Ith*qala rabbuka lilmalaikati innee khaliqun basharan min*teenin


But that claim in the Quran is not true is it. The discovery of evolution shows that humans evolved from earlier apes. And you actually agreed with that right here on the previous page.

Man was not created. Mankind evolved over millions of years through a very slow series of changes from much earlier apes ... changes which actually began from creatures looking like much more primitive small monkeys ... that's where Mankind came from ... and that is all fully described, fully tested and fully confirmed in millions of biology research papers over the past 100 years ...

... there is no mention at all there of any supernatural God ever being discovered to have used some wet mud to make a human! According to science you and your Quran and your God are so far wrong that it's almost impossible to imagine a more ignorant idiotic explanation than the one found 1500 years ago in your religious book!


And whilst I was looking for those above quotes from the Quran, here is is something else that I noticed -

- since thousands of years before any Quran was ever written, most other religions had a creation story that also claimed that their god/gods/God had made humans from clay, mud or dirt etc …

… so in other words – when the Quran describes how Allah made humans, it was just directly copying what hundreds of other religions had already said from hundreds and thousands of years earlier! The Quran and it's human writers (it is a book written by ignorant 7th century ordinary human men) had no idea where humans came from, and what they they wrote was just what they had copied ie stolen from countless earlier religions … here's the Wikipedia page on that -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creat...lonian creation epic,created from mud or clay.

Religion and folklore
According to*Islamic mythology*(Qur'an 23:12),[1][2]*God created man from clay.In Jewish folklore, a*golem*(Hebrew: גולם) is an animated anthropomorphic being that is created entirely from inanimate matter, usually clay or mud.In*Sumerian mythology, the gods*Enki*or*Enlil*create a servant of the gods, humankind, out of clay and blood (see*Enki and the Making of Man). In another Sumerian story, both*Enki*and*Ninmah*create humans from the clay of the*Abzu, the fresh water of the underground. They take turns in creating and decreeing the fate of the humans.[3]
According to*Egyptian mythology, the god,*Khnum, creates human children from clay before placing them into their mother's womb.[4][5]
In*Greek mythology, according to*Pseudo-Apollodorus,[6]*Prometheus*molded men out of water and earth. Near the town of*Panopeus, the remaining used clay was allegedly still present in historical times as two cart-sized rocks that smelled like a human body.[7][8]*Myths about Prometheus were inspired by Near Eastern Myths about Enki.[9]
Also in Greek mythology,*Prometheus*moulds a clay statue of*Minerva, the goddess of wisdom to whom he is devoted, and gives it life from a stolen sunbeam.[10]
Pandora, from Greek mythology, was fashioned from clay and given the quality of “naïve grace combined with feeling”.[11]
In*Zoroastrian*mythology, first the primordial ox,*Gavaevodata, and subsequently the primordial human,*Gayomart*are created from*mud*by the supreme deity*Ahura Mazda.
In the*Epic of Gilgamesh,*Enkidu*is created by the goddess*Aruru*out of clay to be a partner for Gilgamesh, "mighty in strength".
According to*Chinese mythology, (see*Chu Ci*and*Imperial Readings of the Taiping Era),*Nüwa*molded figures from the yellow earth, giving them life and the ability to bear children.[12]
In the Babylonian creation epic*Enuma Elish, the goddess,*Ninhursag, created humans from clay.
According to*Hindu mythology, the mother of Ganesh — Parvati — made Ganesh from clay and turned the clay into flesh and blood.
According to some*Laotian folk religion, there are stories of humans created from mud or clay.In*Hawaiian tradition, the first man was composed of muddy water and his female counterpart was taken from his side parts (story may be partially or entirely christianized).[13]
The*Yoruba*culture holds that the god*Obatala, likewise, created the human race from clay.[14]
According to*Genesis*2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul".
The*Māori*people believe that*Tāne Mahuta, god of the forest, created the first woman out of clay and breathed life into her.According to*Inca mythology, the creator god,*Viracocha, formed humans from clay on his second attempt at creating living creatures.[15]
In Norse culture, humans are made from sand in tree trunks.[16]
In the Korean*Seng-gut*narrative, humans are created from red clay.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Oh good. Then you’ll be able to post a full description of abiogenesis here.

Yes
I have sent 42 verses in 16 messages and reviews. Check and read. Surely you have seen and read my message in this regard.
Good luck

 

[Mojo]

Yes
I have sent 42 verses in 16 messages and reviews. Check and read. Surely you have seen and read my message in this regard.
Good luck

I haven’t seen any that give a full description of abiogenesis. Please link to the specific posts where you did this. You have made almost a thousand posts in this thread; it is not reasonable to expect people to wade through all of them to find the ones that you mean.

Alternatively, please just post the description of abiogenesis again.

Please try again.

 

[heydarian saeed]

And, ... just to add a specific example (which we have also been through with you at least 20 times before) -

- in the Quran it says that God created Man from moulding some wet mud or clay into a human shape ... here are some direct quotes of that from the Quran -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_in_Islam

https://www.alim.org/quran/compare/surah/38/71
إِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَـٰٓئِكَةِ إِنِّى خَـٰلِقٌۢ بَشَرًا مِّن طِينٍ71
Asad Quran Translation
[For,] lo,54*thy Sustainer said unto the angels:"Behold, I am about to create a human being out of clay;55
Malik Quran Translation
Behold when your Rabb said to the angels: "I am about to create a man from clay:
Yusuf Ali Quran Translation
Behold thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man from clay:*4225*4226
Mustafa Khattab Quran Translation
˹Remember, O *Prophet˺ when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create a human being from clay.
Piktal Quran Translation
When thy Lord said unto the angels: lo! I am about to create a mortal out of mire,
Quran Transliteration
Ith*qala rabbuka lilmalaikati innee khaliqun basharan min*teenin


But that claim in the Quran is not true is it. The discovery of evolution shows that humans evolved from earlier apes. And you actually agreed with that right here on the previous page.

Man was not created. Mankind evolved over millions of years through a very slow series of changes from much earlier apes ... changes which actually began from creatures looking like much more primitive small monkeys ... that's where Mankind came from ... and that is all fully described, fully tested and fully confirmed in millions of biology research papers over the past 100 years ...

... there is no mention at all there of any supernatural God ever being discovered to have used some wet mud to make a human! According to science you and your Quran and your God are so far wrong that it's almost impossible to imagine a more ignorant idiotic explanation than the one found 1500 years ago in your religious book!


And whilst I was looking for those above quotes from the Quran, here is is something else that I noticed -

- since thousands of years before any Quran was ever written, most other religions had a creation story that also claimed that their god/gods/God had made humans from clay, mud or dirt etc …

… so in other words – when the Quran describes how Allah made humans, it was just directly copying what hundreds of other religions had already said from hundreds and thousands of years earlier! The Quran and it's human writers (it is a book written by ignorant 7th century ordinary human men) had no idea where humans came from, and what they they wrote was just what they had copied ie stolen from countless earlier religions … here's the Wikipedia page on that -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creat...lonian creation epic,created from mud or clay.

Religion and folklore
According to*Islamic mythology*(Qur'an 23:12),[1][2]*God created man from clay.In Jewish folklore, a*golem*(Hebrew: גולם) is an animated anthropomorphic being that is created entirely from inanimate matter, usually clay or mud.In*Sumerian mythology, the gods*Enki*or*Enlil*create a servant of the gods, humankind, out of clay and blood (see*Enki and the Making of Man). In another Sumerian story, both*Enki*and*Ninmah*create humans from the clay of the*Abzu, the fresh water of the underground. They take turns in creating and decreeing the fate of the humans.[3]
According to*Egyptian mythology, the god,*Khnum, creates human children from clay before placing them into their mother's womb.[4][5]
In*Greek mythology, according to*Pseudo-Apollodorus,[6]*Prometheus*molded men out of water and earth. Near the town of*Panopeus, the remaining used clay was allegedly still present in historical times as two cart-sized rocks that smelled like a human body.[7][8]*Myths about Prometheus were inspired by Near Eastern Myths about Enki.[9]
Also in Greek mythology,*Prometheus*moulds a clay statue of*Minerva, the goddess of wisdom to whom he is devoted, and gives it life from a stolen sunbeam.[10]
Pandora, from Greek mythology, was fashioned from clay and given the quality of “naïve grace combined with feeling”.[11]
In*Zoroastrian*mythology, first the primordial ox,*Gavaevodata, and subsequently the primordial human,*Gayomart*are created from*mud*by the supreme deity*Ahura Mazda.
In the*Epic of Gilgamesh,*Enkidu*is created by the goddess*Aruru*out of clay to be a partner for Gilgamesh, "mighty in strength".
According to*Chinese mythology, (see*Chu Ci*and*Imperial Readings of the Taiping Era),*Nüwa*molded figures from the yellow earth, giving them life and the ability to bear children.[12]
In the Babylonian creation epic*Enuma Elish, the goddess,*Ninhursag, created humans from clay.
According to*Hindu mythology, the mother of Ganesh — Parvati — made Ganesh from clay and turned the clay into flesh and blood.
According to some*Laotian folk religion, there are stories of humans created from mud or clay.In*Hawaiian tradition, the first man was composed of muddy water and his female counterpart was taken from his side parts (story may be partially or entirely christianized).[13]
The*Yoruba*culture holds that the god*Obatala, likewise, created the human race from clay.[14]
According to*Genesis*2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul".
The*Māori*people believe that*Tāne Mahuta, god of the forest, created the first woman out of clay and breathed life into her.According to*Inca mythology, the creator god,*Viracocha, formed humans from clay on his second attempt at creating living creatures.[15]
In Norse culture, humans are made from sand in tree trunks.[16]
In the Korean*Seng-gut*narrative, humans are created from red clay.

All the meanings of this verse that you have brought. Is wrong. Sunni and Shiite translators have all misinterpreted this verse. pay attention. The true meaning of this verse is: I want to create man in the mud. "In the mud" but everyone means "from the mud". And it is completely wrong. "In the mud" occurred after a process of several billion years. But "from mud" means the immediate creation of man from mud. And this is a mistake. God never said I created man from mud. Rather, he said: I want to create man in the mud and after the process of evolution. My meaning and interpretation is correct. The rest you said is wrong and superstitious.
The true meaning of the verse: God created man and life "in mud." After several billion years of evolution. And the meaning of "from the mud" is completely wrong. And it is pure superstition.
I want to correct all the misunderstandings of the verses that are unfortunately published in our Muslim books.
You pay attention to the true meaning of the verses of evolution that I say and have said in my articles. Do not look for these wrong meanings.Thanks

 

[heydarian saeed]

Each word of the Qur'an has different meanings. Maybe a word has 10 different meanings. The true meaning and interpretation of the verse goes back to the sciences of all time. And according to science at any time should be meaningful. The meaning of Quranic verses must be translated and interpreted up to date. These meanings and interpretations that you see in the books of the Qur'an and in Islamic societies are the same meanings and interpretations of 14 centuries ago. And unfortunately, they have not made any effort to update the meanings of the verses of the Qur'an. This is our great problem, Muslims and Islamic societies. You see, read and judge the same meanings of 14 centuries ago. Of course, it is not your job to teach the Qur'an. This is our duty. Unfortunately, no action has been taken.
Please ask me for the updated meanings of the verses of evolution - creation - quantum physics - space and astronomy in the Qur'an. I have done a lot of research in this area.
The concepts you bring from our books are from 14 centuries ago. And it is wrong. Ask me to tell you the meaning and interpretation of up to date of the Qur'an. See the meaning of up to date in the Quran.
I am at your service.

 

[heydarian saeed]

No. There is always a possibility, however unlikely, that new evidence will be found that will require a rethink.

More importantly, the things you are claiming are proven and definite are neither proven nor definite. You are misinterpreting and twisting evidence in order to justify continuing to believe the things you want to believe, which is the exact opposite of science.

Hello
I'm sorry ...

 

[Pixel42]

I want to correct all the misunderstandings of the verses that are unfortunately published in our Muslim books. deliberately misinterpret and twist verses whose meaning is perfectly clear, and consistent with the limited knowledge and understanding of the time, in order to pretend that the writers of the Qu'ran had somehow magically obtained knowledge of future scientific discoveries.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Mojo]

Each word of the Qur'an has different meanings. Maybe a word has 10 different meanings. The true meaning and interpretation of the verse goes back to the sciences of all time. And according to science at any time should be meaningful. The meaning of Quranic verses must be translated and interpreted up to date. These meanings and interpretations that you see in the books of the Qur'an and in Islamic societies are the same meanings and interpretations of 14 centuries ago. And unfortunately, they have not made any effort to update the meanings of the verses of the Qur'an.

Exactly. The Quran was written with a 7th century understanding of the world. If it was the perfect work you claim it is, you would not need to “update” it to account for more recent discoveries.

 

[IanS]

All the meanings of this verse that you have brought. Is wrong. Sunni and Shiite translators have all misinterpreted this verse. pay attention. The true meaning of this verse is: I want to create man in the mud. "In the mud" but everyone means "from the mud". And it is completely wrong. "In the mud" occurred after a process of several billion years. But "from mud" means the immediate creation of man from mud. And this is a mistake. God never said I created man from mud. Rather, he said: I want to create man in the mud and after the process of evolution. My meaning and interpretation is correct. The rest you said is wrong and superstitious.
The true meaning of the verse: God created man and life "in mud." After several billion years of evolution. And the meaning of "from the mud" is completely wrong. And it is pure superstition.
I want to correct all the misunderstandings of the verses that are unfortunately published in our Muslim books.
You pay attention to the true meaning of the verses of evolution that I say and have said in my articles. Do not look for these wrong meanings.Thanks

Please quote the verse from the Quran which says "in the Mud, means over a time of several billion years" ... quote the verse please?

Please quote any verse from the Quran where Allah says "I myself started creating Humans billons of years before Mohamed was ever born" ... please produce the actual verse which says anything like that.

Where is the actual verse please.?

 

[IanS]

Also Mr Heydarain - I must have asked you least 40 or 50 times now to produce the published scientific research papers that support your claim saying that science has now discovered that the existence of God is proved by 7th century copies of the Quran which reveal all of modern 21st century science … but so far you have failed to produce even ONE paper making that claim (and there should be tens of thousands of such papers … IF your claim of science in the Quran is true) …

… where are all these science papers supporting your claims of science in the Quran?

… why can't you ever produce the only true thing that would support all your claims, i.e. the actual papers of real research science?

- get on with it! Produce the real papers!

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

All the meanings of this verse that you have brought. Is wrong. Sunni and Shiite translators have all misinterpreted this verse. pay attention. The true meaning of this verse is: I want to create man in the mud. "In the mud" but everyone means "from the mud". And it is completely wrong. "In the mud" occurred after a process of several billion years. But "from mud" means the immediate creation of man from mud. And this is a mistake. God never said I created man from mud. Rather, he said: I want to create man in the mud and after the process of evolution. My meaning and interpretation is correct. The rest you said is wrong and superstitious.
The true meaning of the verse: God created man and life "in mud." After several billion years of evolution. And the meaning of "from the mud" is completely wrong. And it is pure superstition.
I want to correct all the misunderstandings of the verses that are unfortunately published in our Muslim books.
You pay attention to the true meaning of the verses of evolution that I say and have said in my articles. Do not look for these wrong meanings.Thanks

You, Sir, pervert the Holy Word of the Lord. I, however, correctly interpret His meaning.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Fixed that for you.

Hello dear Pixel
Good day
You are a good teacher. Congratulations. And you corrected my dictation. Of course, this is a good approach for a teacher like you. But the second part of the sentence is not from me. Unfortunately, I do not know where you put this sentence to me. Labeling characters is not a good approach.
But my main message:
We do not seek the magical discovery of scientific material from the Qur'an. You forgot that I have an existential philosophy. If there is something, I will check and research it. And its accuracy is very important to me.
The contents of the Qur'an are completely scientific. No need to discover magic. It is quite clear. Put aside prejudice and see the reality of the verses of the Qur'an. All content is scientific. And I told you clear examples of that. And I will not repeat. Accept it at your discretion.But you can never deny these Qur'anic truths. There are 14 centuries left. And the Qur'an will remain until the end of the universe. And it cannot be destroyed. The guarantee of the Qur'an is in itself. And God has written. No creature and no force can destroy it. This is the claim of God. And no creature or force can confront him. It is strong and solid. Be absolutely sure.
I do not want to prove the Qur'an and its contents to you. Because it does not need to be proven. It is quite clear and proven. The Qur'an itself proves its existence. It does not need anyone or any force. God is the speaker. And no one can deny it. I am just "reminding" you of God and the Qur'an. And I love God and the Quran myself. I have not seen more beautiful than God and the Qur'an. There is nothing more beautiful than God and the Qur'an. All the beauties of the universe and beyond are gathered in God and the Qur'an. There are no defects. Nothing ...
I do not want to prove the Qur'an and its contents to you. Because it does not need to be proven. It is quite clear and proven. The Qur'an itself proves its existence. It does not need anyone or any force. God is the speaker. And no one can deny it. I am just "reminding" you of God and the Qur'an. And I love God and the Quran myself. I have not seen more beautiful than God and the Qur'an. There is nothing more beautiful than God and the Qur'an. All the beauties of the universe and beyond are gathered in God and the Qur'an. There are no defects. Nothing ...
I will stay on my word forever.

 

[Mojo]

I do not want to prove the Qur'an and its contents to you.

This entire thread is the result of you wanting to prove the Quran to us. As usual, your statements are contradicted by the evidence.