The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

OK, so you accept that God did not create humans ... you accept that humans evolved from earlier apes (humans ARE actually apes, by the way). So in that case - why did God create the Earth?

Why did God create any universe at all or any planet Earth if he had no role in the eventual appearance of any humans?

Was that not God's whole entire purpose to create Humans?

What was God's purpose or intention if it was not to create Humans?

Hello dear professor
Unfortunately, you are not careful. Please read carefully: Human evolution is the result of the evolution of all the necessary conditions for life. The conditions for life in the universe are 14 billion years old. From the time of the Big Bang to the creation of the Earth, which was about 4 billion years ago. And the emergence of viable single cells on Earth dates back 1.5 billion years. You only see 450 million years ago when humans were just descended from apes. But we see the evolution of life and man from 14 billion years ago when God began. Monkeys that have not yet sprouted from the ground! And they did not come out of the earth like plants! Rather, apes are the result of the evolution of life from 1.5 billion years ago on Earth. And the main reason was that God created them. Please be more careful.
The process of human evolution from ape is only a small part of this process. Most of it goes back to the atomic evolution of the earth - the chemical of the earth - the creation of early single cells - the life of these single cells by blowing the spirit of God in it (life program in the cell nucleus genome) - the planned proliferation of these single cells - The emergence of early bacteria - simple early living organisms - early plants - early animals and ... apes and then humans from the generation of apes and ... the last generation of humans from apes who excelled with science and knowledge. And the present human beings that we are are in fact from the generation of advanced human beings. That our intellect and science are advanced compared to the time of the monkey.
Please do not just mention part of the evolution process like Darwin. Because it is incomplete. Rather, describe the whole process of evolution.
God's view in the Qur'an is the complete process of the evolution of life. And finally it leads to the superior man with science and knowledge and intellect. This is the view of God in the Qur'an. And it is complete.

 

[junkshop]

Error translating Google to "Pericariot" instead of "pericarium".
Yes, after the evolution of the original single cell, the soul has been blown away. The soul has been breathed only once by God in this very single cell that causes life on earth. The soul is breathed only once by God into the agent of life.

Do you mean prokaryote?

 

[Mojo]

Not even sure what you are talking about as "pericarium" is not found on Google but you are claiming that one celled organisms have SOULS?

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Error translating Google to "Pericariot" instead of "pericarium".
Yes, after the evolution of the original single cell, the soul has been blown away. The soul has been breathed only once by God in this very single cell that causes life on earth. The soul is breathed only once by God into the agent of life.

Yes, he’s claiming that single-celled organisms have souls.

 

[Mojo]

Hello. followers of my past articles; "Science" has not yet answered the two basic questions about the "claim to the existence of God." Where did "Single in Singularity" come from? Who brought it? And what is the mechanism by which "living things come to life from inanimate matter"? Who created it? Who gave life? "God has claimed in the Bible and the Qur'an that I have done this."
In this regard, according to the latest theorizing done in the same group among the esteemed members of the Association of Professional Skeptics, "science" still has no answer. And is unable to answer these two questions. So "God's claim that I created these two" is true. Unless one day "science" can bring a statement or answer that contradicts this claim of God.

I need to mention the following scientific discussion in this regard:
According to the law of the cosmic string, the universe must have ten to eleven dimensions before its creation. That is, beyond four dimensions, which include: time - length - width and height. This theory says that all of these dimensions are now intertwined and intertwined. And have formed a string. And matter has lost its nature and become singular. It has a Singularity nature. And is the boundary between the material world and the immaterial world.
The disadvantage of this theory is that it cannot be tested on an accelerator. That means an accelerator wants the length of the Milky Way galaxy! It has been scientifically proven. But empirically, there is still a long way to go. And it can't be run in the lab right now. I have said this before in the same group. Which in the laboratory at present can not prove the supernatural and God. As mentioned above, the origin of these strings is the Planck range.
This is what quantum science says. Which is known as the singularity range. The universe was only ten to the power of minus 35 meters. In other words, it tends to zero. According to the Qur'an, it is right at the end of the invention of the heavens and the earth towards our time or ten to the power of minus 43 seconds after the Big Bang. In this range, only the light of God has manifested. And there was no matter.
Tip: Test these strings on a very small scale known as a "wormhole" and they are quantum strings. It is possible in the ultra-small scale particle accelerator. If done on a larger, uncontrolled scale, it is not clear what will happen to the planet. (the earth)
The result of the above scientific discussion is this: Therefore, the cosmic strings originated from the oneness of God. And have unique coordinates. These strings are so strong that if they hit a mountain on the ground just one meter, they will become powder. As a manifestation of this light that originated from the nature of God was manifested on the mountain in the presence of Prophet Moses (pbuh) and there was no other mountain and Prophet Moses fainted from fear! (It is mentioned in the Bible and in the Quran)
Many physicists (quantum physics) see this theory as a gateway to discovering the mysteries of the universe.
The "existence of God and the verses of the Qur'an" which is what God has said and claimed should only be discussed "according to scientific research". If a non-scientific review and comment is made, this comment will definitely be invalid.Thanks

Your comment is definitely invalid.

 

[heydarian saeed]

You have consistently done the exact opposite of all these steps since you started this thread. My realistic opinion is that you have no intention of changing your approach.

In your very next post you again do the exact opposite.



It is not your fault that you cannot prove God through empirical science and objective evidence. No one can. It's impossible. The more actual knowledge you obtained, the clearer that would become to you.

But you are evidently still going to assume that your beliefs are correct (the opposite of step 1), and look only for biased sources of information that justify you continuing to think that (the opposite of step 2). You are never going to even try to obtain the critical thinking skills that would enable you to attempt step 3.

Hello dear Pixel
I fully accept all three of your views and suggestions. And I do my best to consider my point. Well, do I study the root cause of the "process of evolution and life" and how the "single" came into being, which I have scientifically studied and stated? Not true? Has science finally found the root cause of this? You thought you were saying that you are waiting for the discovery of science for these two issues. It is true? Therefore, as a free Muslim, I now accept the claim of God in the Qur'an scientifically. And God was the creator of these. Like you, I am waiting for science to prove the main reason for the creation of these two issues. And accept science. But now God's claim is true. Please think logically and scientifically about this. Of course you are logical. And your knowledge is admirable.
Thanks

 

[Pixel42]

Hello. followers of my past articles; "Science" has not yet answered the two basic questions about the "claim to the existence of God." Where did "Single in Singularity" come from? Who brought it? And what is the mechanism by which "living things come to life from inanimate matter"? Who created it? Who gave life? "God has claimed in the Bible and the Qur'an that I have done this."
In this regard, according to the latest theorizing done in the same group among the esteemed members of the Association of Professional Skeptics, "science" still has no answer. And is unable to answer these two questions. So "God's claim that I created these two" is true. Unless one day "science" can bring a statement or answer that contradicts this claim of God.

This is an absurd argument, heydarian.

For thousands of years, people who lived near a volcano believed that the reason it rumbled was because there was a volcano god living inside it who occasionally got angry, and whose anger could be appeased by sacrificing goats etc. This was a simple and obvious explanation that made perfect sense to them. But it was the wrong explanation. It was always the wrong explanation. The fact that the correct scientific explanation was not discovered for thousands of years did not make "the mountain is rumbling because the volcano god who lives inside it is angry" true.

Our scientific knowledge and understanding has now advanced to the point that there is no longer any good reason to postulate the existence of a god to explain anything at all. There are a few areas where complete scientific explanations are not yet available, but the remaining questions are not ones where postulating a god even helps - for example, explaining the existence of the universe by postulating a god who created it just replaces the question with the even more difficult one of the existence of god. You're actually make things worse rather than better.

All of this has been explained to you multiple times. Why do you keep coming back to make the same absurd arguments and the same mistakes over and over again?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Do you mean prokaryote?

Hi dear friend
Exactly this site has a brief history of prokaryote and eukaryote. This being is what is called "single soul" in the Qur'an. And God blew the "soul" in the eukaryote. Life on earth began here. And God has put all the forces and energies of the universe in the service of Eukaryote. And after the evolution of eukaryotes, he became a perfect human being.
Thank you for loading the relevant site.

 

[heydarian saeed]

This is an absurd argument, heydarian.

For thousands of years, people who lived near a volcano believed that the reason it rumbled was because there was a volcano god living inside it who occasionally got angry, and whose anger could be appeased by sacrificing goats etc. This was a simple and obvious explanation that made perfect sense to them. But it was the wrong explanation. It was always the wrong explanation. The fact that the correct scientific explanation was not discovered for thousands of years did not make "the mountain is rumbling because the volcano god who lives inside it is angry" true.

Our scientific knowledge and understanding has now advanced to the point that there is no longer any good reason to postulate the existence of a god to explain anything at all. There are a few areas where complete scientific explanations are not yet available, but the remaining questions are not ones where postulating a god even helps - for example, explaining the existence of the universe by postulating a god who created it just replaces the question with the even more difficult one of the existence of god. You're actually make things worse rather than better.

All of this has been explained to you multiple times. Why do you keep coming back to make the same absurd arguments and the same mistakes over and over again?

No ... pixels
No
I do not believe in superstitions at all. And it is absurd and baseless. Like you, I am looking for a completely scientific answer to these two questions. And if he answers, I will definitely accept. Be sure.
But the argument of the alternative question is exactly what we call the circumvention argument. And it is completely rejected. Our argument bypassing and questioning is not a substitute for another question. Be careful. You and I can dance very well together in this discussion.
I really enjoy philosophical and scientific dance with you.
Thank you

 

[Pixel42]

I do not believe in superstitions at all.

You believe in god and the soul, both of which are superstitious beliefs. There is no evidence for them, and no good reason to postulate their existence. There was no need for a god to "blow a soul" into anything for life on earth to begin and to evolve.

But the argument of the alternative question is exactly what we call the circumvention argument. And it is completely rejected. Our argument bypassing and questioning is not a substitute for another question.

When you postulate the existence of a god to explain the existence of the universe you are simply replacing the question "where did the universe come from?" with the question "where did god come from?" You are no better off, indeed you are worse off in that the universe is at least something we can observe and make testable hypotheses about.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Dear Pixel, I tell you most of what I have to say. Because you are more rational and knowledgeable than all the respected members of this association.
My philosophy is "existential philosophy". I research and research what is and is real. And my philosophical views are entirely based on reality. And I only accept the universe. And I accept any law that pertains to this universe. I accept science. I only seek knowledge in the Qur'an. And I have seen a lot of scientific material. But rest assured that I only accept science to accept the Qur'an and my religion. If it is not scientific, I will not accept it at all. So far, everything I have told you in this topic is supported by science. I am not a superstitious - fanatical - petrified and irrational. Be sure.
Ptolemaic-Aristotelian-Galenian-Hippocratic thoughts, etc., none of them satisfies me. And is rejected.... rejected

 

[Pixel42]

I only seek knowledge in the Qur'an.

There's your mistake. There is no knowledge in the Qu'ran.

So far, everything I have told you in this topic is supported by science.

Hardly anything you've said is supported by science. The religious apologists you get it from are not scientists. Sometimes you/they quote some real science but then misinterpret it, and try to draw unsupportable conclusions from it. Nothing you've said about god or the soul is supported by science.

 

[Scorpion]

God's view in the Qur'an is the complete process of the evolution of life. And finally it leads to the superior man with science and knowledge and intellect. This is the view of God in the Qur'an. And it is complete.

What the hell are you on about ? There is nothing in the Quran about evolution.
There is no point in debating with you because you have your head up your ass.
I would rather insult you than debate with you any further.

As for your God, the Allah described in the Quran, if I am called before him on judgement day and I get the chance, I will kick him in the scrotum before he throws me into the fire.

But I am confident that will never happen because the Quran is not Gods words it is Muhammad's.

 

[heydarian saeed]

You believe in god and the soul, both of which are superstitious beliefs. There is no evidence for them, and no good reason to postulate their existence. There was no need for a god to "blow a soul" into anything for life on earth to begin and to evolve.



When you postulate the existence of a god to explain the existence of the universe you are simply replacing the question "where did the universe come from?" with the question "where did god come from?" You are no better off, indeed you are worse off in that the universe is at least something we can observe and make testable hypotheses about.

See dear pixel
There is "God" and "soul". Quantum science has proven it based on real observations. But technology is not yet able to bring it to the laboratory and show it. And there is a long way to go in this regard. Maybe someday he can show up in the lab, maybe.
Please read part of my message 3139 again:
"The disadvantage of this theory is that it cannot be tested on an accelerator. That means an accelerator wants the length of the Milky Way galaxy! It has been scientifically proven. But empirically, there is still a long way to go. And it can't be run in the lab right now. I have said this before in the same group. Which in the laboratory at present can not prove the supernatural and God. As mentioned above, the origin of these strings is the Planck range.
This is what quantum science says. Which is known as the singularity range. The universe was only ten to the power of minus 35 meters. In other words, it tends to zero. According to the Qur'an, it is right at the end of the invention of the heavens and the earth towards our time or ten to the power of minus 43 seconds after the Big Bang. In this range, only the light of God has manifested. And there was no matter. It has a Singularity nature. And is the boundary between the material world and the immaterial world."
Can we really show singularity in the universe? Never. Because if that happens, the universe will be completely destroyed. Will be single. And will go to nothingness. Of course, such a thing will happen on the Day of Judgment. Hawking has proven this. The universe is moving towards singularity. And one day the singularity will happen again. This is the ultimate destiny of the universe. God has repeatedly claimed in the Qur'an that this is the fate of the universe. "Resurrection."

 

[heydarian saeed]

What the hell are you on about ? There is nothing in the Quran about evolution.
There is no point in debating with you because you have your head up your ass.
I would rather insult you than debate with you any further.

As for your God, the Allah described in the Quran, if I am called before him on judgement day and I get the chance, I will kick him in the scrotum before he throws me into the fire.

But I am confident that will never happen because the Quran is not Gods words it is Muhammad's.

Hello
How're you?
We raise our heads like Mount Everest because we have logic. And we are talking scientifically. I do not know where you put your head? And I do not want to know. I'm sorry.
Take care of your health.
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What do you mean by "soul" and "God"? Please prove it scientifically or logically. I am an infidel. God - I do not accept the Qur'an and Muhammad. Please prove the soul and God to me with knowledge and logic.
hurry up. Say man. say. What are you wandering in your head, man?
Waiting. Let me see the logic and science that you have. Do not follow nonsense, man. Speak logically and scientifically. What are "God" and "soul"?
Please ...

 

[heydarian saeed]

There's your mistake. There is no knowledge in the Qu'ran.


Hardly anything you've said is supported by science. The religious apologists you get it from are not scientists. Sometimes you/they quote some real science but then misinterpret it, and try to draw unsupportable conclusions from it. Nothing you've said about god or the soul is supported by science.

By science we mean modern science and the quantum science we talked about. Not the old science.
....
"Existence of invisible consciousness in the fundamental particles of photons" - "Quantum dependence and correlation between particles" - "Survival of "intelligence - data - living information" after the death of a living being!" - "Existence of a parallel world" ... Matter and antimatter.
Scientists: Hawking - Rogers Penrose - Suarez and ...
These are examples that have proven the existence of the supernatural.
And all these matters are mentioned in the verses of the Qur'an. That is, the verses of the Qur'an have been proven by the new science of quantum.
This is the claim of God in the Qur'an. And it is completely scientific and logical. And modern science supports it.
None of the preachers of our religion understand these scientific studies in Quranic verses. Because they do not know it. And unfortunately, they are not interested in such discussions freely and without prejudice.
As a free Muslim, I am interested in these scientific discussions in the verses of the Qur'an. And I researched. And I'm proud. Do not look for this content on Islamic sites or Islamic thinkers. Because you will not see. These are the study of modern science in the Qur'an.

 

[IanS]

Hello. followers of my past articles; "Science" has not yet answered the two basic questions about the "claim to the existence of God." (1) Where did "Single in Singularity" come from? Who brought it?

And (2) what is the mechanism by which "living things come to life from inanimate matter"? Who created it? Who gave life? "God has claimed in the Bible and the Qur'an that I have done this."
In this regard, according to the latest theorizing done in the same group among the esteemed members of the Association of Professional Skeptics, "science" still has no answer. And is unable to answer these two questions. So "God's claim that I created these two" is true. Unless one day "science" can bring a statement or answer that contradicts this claim of God.

Heydarain – you have asked those same questions here (eg, as marked 1 and 2) many times before, and the answers have all been explained to you many times already … science has published the answers in hundreds if not thousands of very detailed research papers … and those answers do not involve any God and do not accept or include anything at all from the Quran.

Since you keep doing that, the only possible conclusion is that you are person who is a repeated constant liar.

 

[IanS]

Hello dear professor
Unfortunately, you are not careful. Please read carefully: Human evolution is the result of the evolution of all the necessary conditions for life. The conditions for life in the universe are 14 billion years old. From the time of the Big Bang to the creation of the Earth, which was about 4 billion years ago. And the emergence of viable single cells on Earth dates back 1.5 billion years. You only see 450 million years ago when humans were just descended from apes. But we see the evolution of life and man from 14 billion years ago when God began. Monkeys that have not yet sprouted from the ground! And they did not come out of the earth like plants! Rather, apes are the result of the evolution of life from 1.5 billion years ago on Earth. And the main reason was that God created them. Please be more careful.
The process of human evolution from ape is only a small part of this process. Most of it goes back to the atomic evolution of the earth - the chemical of the earth - the creation of early single cells - the life of these single cells by blowing the spirit of God in it (life program in the cell nucleus genome) - the planned proliferation of these single cells - The emergence of early bacteria - simple early living organisms - early plants - early animals and ... apes and then humans from the generation of apes and ... the last generation of humans from apes who excelled with science and knowledge. And the present human beings that we are are in fact from the generation of advanced human beings. That our intellect and science are advanced compared to the time of the monkey.
Please do not just mention part of the evolution process like Darwin. Because it is incomplete. Rather, describe the whole process of evolution.
God's view in the Qur'an is the complete process of the evolution of life. And finally it leads to the superior man with science and knowledge and intellect. This is the view of God in the Qur'an. And it is complete.

Everything that you have said above about the dates, about evolution, about monkeys etc. is completely 100% scientifically wrong!

You are clearly ignorant of all that science has discovered & published about evolution. And you just keep lying for God in every post that you make. Since you cannot ever tell the truth or ever be honest at all, it is quite useless any educated people ever trying to talk to you.

 

[Chanakya]

And the senseless gibbering starts all over again.

 

[Scorpion]

The Quran says nothing about evolution from monkeys. It quotes the bible story of Adam and Eve, and their being driven out of the garden of Eden.

Quran surah 2.35 We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

 

[Pixel42]

See dear pixel
There is "God" and "soul". Quantum science has proven it based on real observations.

No it hasn't. The people who told you it has were either deliberately lying to you, or were as determined to justify their irrational and unsupportable beliefs by willfully misinterpreting science as you are.

Neither Stephen Hawking nor Roger Penrose ever believed any of the supernatural nonsense you do. They certainly haven't proved the existence of anything supernatural, including god and the soul.