The supernatural

[Myriad]

Hello
I in previous messages ... I corrected my claim. And I apologized. Please be up to date.
But the proof of God can be proved by objective and scientific evidence. But unfortunately I do not know. I can not prove God to you as you wish through empirical science and objective evidence. This is not Problem of God. This is my fault. I do not have enough knowledge to prove God through empirical knowledge and objective evidence.
Please be up to date.
Good luck

If in fact you are wrong about God, you will not be able to prove you are right by objective and scientific evidence. Do you acknowledge this as a general principle?

 

[Chanakya]

We all could benefit from a similar pledge.

I agree.

Can't speak for others, obviously, but I'm happy to step forward, if you'd like me to.



ETA: To be clear, I wasn't picking on heydarian for the heck of it. This was specifically in context of his apparently acquiescing with Pixel42's advice and promising her that "he'd definitely do it"; as well as in context of our experience with him in the past, that is clearly documented in this thread. Like I clearly explained, I think, in my post.

But in general terms, and like I said, I do agree: We'd all benefit from reminding ourselves to do just that, because no doubt we've all got our blind spots.

 

[Mojo]

But the proof of God can be proved by objective and scientific evidence. But unfortunately I do not know. I can not prove God to you as you wish through empirical science and objective evidence. This is not Problem of God. This is my fault. I do not have enough knowledge to prove God through empirical knowledge and objective evidence.

Remember what you posted:

This is a great challenge for theists. You are right. The main reason is this: their theism has only an inherent aspect. And they fanatically believe in something they have not done thorough research on. Well, this approach is completely rejected. And that's a big mistake.

If, as you admit, you “do not have enough knowledge to prove God through empirical knowledge and objective evidence”, then this approach that you claim “is completely rejected” is precisely the approach you are taking in your belief in God. You are one of these fanatic believers.

 

[acbytesla]

Hi
No science can deny God. And in your opinion, no science can prove it. Of course, in our opinion, it is provable. At least it proves the philosophy and mysticism of God. Cholera proves God with definite and solid reasons. If you check the content of this message. And do not be prejudiced. And think freely. And be rational. You see, the content of this message is a privilege for God. And therefore God is undeniable. The rest of the debate has no place in this. This message is enough to prove God. Of course, I have told you the definite philosophical, logical and mystical reasons in my previous messages.

You can claim all day that science proves God or the Quran but that is BS. NOWHERE does physics prove a word of that book. But keep on trying.

 

[Scorpion]

Hello
Your problem is: without a thorough research on a religion and its bible, you express your own one-sided prejudices. No wonder. Because you are a fanatic. Sorry for you. I recommend that you do more research on religions and the Bible.
Your comment has no validity at this time.
Thank you
Good luck

I have said all I have to say about the Quran on this thread and am not about to repeat myself. Apart from to say that you have denied the verses of eternal hellfire, at surah's 4.56 and 22.19 and 40.72 and this is a blasphemy to orthodox Muslims. In fact most Muslims I debate with on twitter seem quite pleased that God will burn people who do not believe in Muhammad for eternity. To me this means they are completely ignorant and spiritually sick, and they have no humanity.

Your problem is you have not studied anything except the trash in the Quran, and you have blown simple verses all out of proportion with your attempts to validate it.

For myself I have spent my life searching for truth in other sources such as theosophy and spiritualism and the practical use of the occult. I have also investigated a number of cults.

 

[Scorpion]

Hello dear philosopher
I left at least 16 topics for this group for the theory of evolution in the Qur'an and our religion. And I explained it completely. See: We firmly believe that humans are descended from apes. And we fully accept evolution. But he has studied Darwin's theory of evolution from 450 million years ago. Our Qur'an examines the formation of the earth 3.5 billion years ago. And all the scientists in the field of geology, chemistry, biochemistry, physics and astronomy who have briefly commented on abiogenesis have endorsed this approach. That is, evolution took 3.5 billion years. Evolution begins with the single cell "pericarium". And we are mentioned several times in the Qur'an as "single soul". And has stated all the stages of its evolution. I have fully explained at least 42 verses of the Qur'an in 16 topics. The theory of evolution in the Qur'an is more complete than Darwin's theory of evolution. This theory is not fully understood in any of the holy books. But in the Qur'an, it has completely stated all the scientific stages of evolution according to the science of abiogenesis. Darwin proposed evolution in the 18th century and abiogenesis in the 20th century. But the Qur'an in the seventh century has described evolution much more completely! I recommend you. Read my 16 topics on "Evolution in the Qur'an" in this group. read carefully. All your questions about this have been answered.
Good luck

Trash, Utter trash. The Quran says nothing about evolution, it says the heaven and earth were created in six of Gods days, which is six thousand years, and it tells us humanity came from Adam. It also says Noah's ark was real.

 

[IanS]

Hello dear philosopher
I left at least 16 topics for this group for the theory of evolution in the Qur'an and our religion. And I explained it completely. See: We firmly believe that humans are descended from apes. And we fully accept evolution. But he has studied Darwin's theory of evolution from 450 million years ago. Our Qur'an examines the formation of the earth 3.5 billion years ago. And all the scientists in the field of geology, chemistry, biochemistry, physics and astronomy who have briefly commented on abiogenesis have endorsed this approach. That is, evolution took 3.5 billion years. Evolution begins with the single cell "pericarium". And we are mentioned several times in the Qur'an as "single soul". And has stated all the stages of its evolution. I have fully explained at least 42 verses of the Qur'an in 16 topics. The theory of evolution in the Qur'an is more complete than Darwin's theory of evolution. This theory is not fully understood in any of the holy books. But in the Qur'an, it has completely stated all the scientific stages of evolution according to the science of abiogenesis. Darwin proposed evolution in the 18th century and abiogenesis in the 20th century. But the Qur'an in the seventh century has described evolution much more completely! I recommend you. Read my 16 topics on "Evolution in the Qur'an" in this group. read carefully. All your questions about this have been answered.
Good luck

No. You are lying ... again lying for your faith/religion ... there is NO description of evolution in the Quran.

And if there ever was any such description of evolution in a 7th century book of the Quran, then that would have been reported in tens of thousands of science research papers by now, all admitting and agreeing that God appeared indeed to reveal it all in the Quran ...

... But contrary to what you are again falsely trying to claim, there is not one single science research paper that claims or even mentions that any such revelation of evolution was ever written in any version of the Quran ...

... where are the science research papers that confirm your claim of evolution being explained in a 7th century Quran? ...

... please produce real scientific research papers from real science journals that have even mentioned any notion of evoloution being explained in any way at all in any 7th century Quran?

Where are these papers please! Produce the science papers!

 

[IanS]

Hello dear philosopher
I left at least 16 topics for this group for the theory of evolution in the Qur'an and our religion. And I explained it completely. See: We firmly believe that humans are descended from apes. And we fully accept evolution.

OK, so you accept that God did not create humans ... you accept that humans evolved from earlier apes (humans ARE actually apes, by the way). So in that case - why did God create the Earth?

Why did God create any universe at all or any planet Earth if he had no role in the eventual appearance of any humans?

Was that not God's whole entire purpose to create Humans?

What was God's purpose or intention if it was not to create Humans?

 

[IanS]

We all could benefit from a similar pledge.

I'm happy to go with published science in every post that I make here ... and in fact that is what I have tried to do in every post on this website.

I don't see any other valid approach (eg to questions about evidence for God, the Quran, miracles, evolution, the nature of "reality", questions of how and why this universe formed etc.) ... so that IS what I have done ... OK?

What else do you want?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Hello dear philosopher
I left at least 16 topics for this group for the theory of evolution in the Qur'an and our religion. And I explained it completely. See: We firmly believe that humans are descended from apes. And we fully accept evolution. But he has studied Darwin's theory of evolution from 450 million years ago. Our Qur'an examines the formation of the earth 3.5 billion years ago. And all the scientists in the field of geology, chemistry, biochemistry, physics and astronomy who have briefly commented on abiogenesis have endorsed this approach. That is, evolution took 3.5 billion years. Evolution begins with the single cell "pericarium". And we are mentioned several times in the Qur'an as "single soul". And has stated all the stages of its evolution. I have fully explained at least 42 verses of the Qur'an in 16 topics. The theory of evolution in the Qur'an is more complete than Darwin's theory of evolution. This theory is not fully understood in any of the holy books. But in the Qur'an, it has completely stated all the scientific stages of evolution according to the science of abiogenesis. Darwin proposed evolution in the 18th century and abiogenesis in the 20th century. But the Qur'an in the seventh century has described evolution much more completely! I recommend you. Read my 16 topics on "Evolution in the Qur'an" in this group. read carefully. All your questions about this have been answered.
Good luck

Not even sure what you are talking about as "pericarium" is not found on Google but you are claiming that one celled organisms have SOULS?

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[Mojo]

Darwin proposed evolution in the 18th century and abiogenesis in the 20th century.

Nope.

 

[dudalb]

Trash, Utter trash. The Quran says nothing about evolution, it says the heaven and earth were created in six of Gods days, which is six thousand years, and it tells us humanity came from Adam. It also says Noah's ark was real.

The Quaran so swiped that from the book of Genesis in the Bible.....

 

[dudalb]

Less than half of the world's population, then.


Do 4.9 billion people in the world think wrong? !!

ETA: Ninja'd!

'IF 50 Million people believe a foolish thing, it's still a foolish thing".
Voltaire.

 

[Mojo]

Do 4.9 billion people in the world think wrong?

It wouldn’t surprise me one little bit.

 

[junkshop]

Hello dear philosopher
Approximately 3 billion people in the world believe so...

Less than half of the world's population, then.

Do 3 billion people in the world think wrong? !! Certainly not. You think about it more. Of course, this is a great challenge for the disbelievers and the Atheists. And it is understandable.

Do 4.9 billion people in the world think wrong? !!

ETA: Ninja'd!

Less than half of the world's population, then.

Do 4.9 billion people in the world think wrong? !!

ETA: Ninja'd!

'IF 50 Million people believe a foolish thing, it's still a foolish thing".
Voltaire.

Do 4.9 billion people in the world think wrong? !!

It wouldn’t surprise me one little bit.

I fear my post may have been misconstrued. To be clear, I was ridiculing Heydarian Saeed's claim that a belief can't be wrong because 3 billion people believe it, by pointing out that (despite that being a very large number) it is still the minority of people.

Pixel42 said it better.

ETA: on reflection, the misconstruction may well have been my own. However, Pixel42 still said it better.

 

[acbytesla]

Do 3 billion people in the world think wrong? !! Certainly not. You think about it more. Of course, this is a great challenge for the disbelievers and the Atheists. And it is understandable.

This is the ad populum fallacy. Neither the number of people that believe or the strength of their conviction has any bearing on its truth.

 

[Tassman]

Hello dear philosopher
Approximately 3 billion people in the world believe so. See the population statistics of Muslims with other divine religions. ... We all believe that.
Do 3 billion people in the world think wrong? !! Certainly not. You think about it more. Of course, this is a great challenge for the disbelievers and the Atheists. And it is understandable.

The "believers" in whatever religion are generally the result of social conditioning from childhood onwards. This is reinforced by the fact that those raised in more secular societies, e.g. Norway, are not so religious.

 

[sackett]

Approx 3 billion moslemists? Well, about 1.9 billion currently, outnumbered by christianists at about 2.4 billion. Way too many of both, of course, but nothing compared to cockroaches.

Are islamists a challenge to unbelievers? Some of them are, the worst ones, the shooters and exploders and sharianauts. That's the crude kind of challenge they can understand.

But an ideological challenge? An intellectual challenge? Not for a moment. How can belief, the acceptance of mere notions in the complete absence of evidence, ever confront logical thought?

To be sure, an atheist trying to reason with a believer soon feels tired frustration. The attempt to make an impression on solid bone is arduous, it's hard damn work, and there's always the fear of stirring a dangerous anger -- yes, violence -- in the religionist.

Especially a primitive middle eastern musselman.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Initially you claimed that you “did some research in the lab to prove the supernatural”, but you later admitted that this was not the case. So it would appear that you are one of these people. Your claim that scientific research proves the existence of god is not backed up by the evidence.

Hello. followers of my past articles; "Science" has not yet answered the two basic questions about the "claim to the existence of God." Where did "Single in Singularity" come from? Who brought it? And what is the mechanism by which "living things come to life from inanimate matter"? Who created it? Who gave life? "God has claimed in the Bible and the Qur'an that I have done this."
In this regard, according to the latest theorizing done in the same group among the esteemed members of the Association of Professional Skeptics, "science" still has no answer. And is unable to answer these two questions. So "God's claim that I created these two" is true. Unless one day "science" can bring a statement or answer that contradicts this claim of God.

I need to mention the following scientific discussion in this regard:
According to the law of the cosmic string, the universe must have ten to eleven dimensions before its creation. That is, beyond four dimensions, which include: time - length - width and height. This theory says that all of these dimensions are now intertwined and intertwined. And have formed a string. And matter has lost its nature and become singular. It has a Singularity nature. And is the boundary between the material world and the immaterial world.
The disadvantage of this theory is that it cannot be tested on an accelerator. That means an accelerator wants the length of the Milky Way galaxy! It has been scientifically proven. But empirically, there is still a long way to go. And it can't be run in the lab right now. I have said this before in the same group. Which in the laboratory at present can not prove the supernatural and God. As mentioned above, the origin of these strings is the Planck range.
This is what quantum science says. Which is known as the singularity range. The universe was only ten to the power of minus 35 meters. In other words, it tends to zero. According to the Qur'an, it is right at the end of the invention of the heavens and the earth towards our time or ten to the power of minus 43 seconds after the Big Bang. In this range, only the light of God has manifested. And there was no matter.
Tip: Test these strings on a very small scale known as a "wormhole" and they are quantum strings. It is possible in the ultra-small scale particle accelerator. If done on a larger, uncontrolled scale, it is not clear what will happen to the planet. (the earth)
The result of the above scientific discussion is this: Therefore, the cosmic strings originated from the oneness of God. And have unique coordinates. These strings are so strong that if they hit a mountain on the ground just one meter, they will become powder. As a manifestation of this light that originated from the nature of God was manifested on the mountain in the presence of Prophet Moses (pbuh) and there was no other mountain and Prophet Moses fainted from fear! (It is mentioned in the Bible and in the Quran)
Many physicists (quantum physics) see this theory as a gateway to discovering the mysteries of the universe.
The "existence of God and the verses of the Qur'an" which is what God has said and claimed should only be discussed "according to scientific research". If a non-scientific review and comment is made, this comment will definitely be invalid.
Thanks

 

[heydarian saeed]

Not even sure what you are talking about as "pericarium" is not found on Google but you are claiming that one celled organisms have SOULS?

and

Error translating Google to "Pericariot" instead of "pericarium".
Yes, after the evolution of the original single cell, the soul has been blown away. The soul has been breathed only once by God in this very single cell that causes life on earth. The soul is breathed only once by God into the agent of life.