The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

Hello everyone
May 2022 is a dangerous month. Maybe challenge the world. ...
take care of yourself.
I love humans. Especially scientists.

 

[heydarian saeed]

You have claimed this over and over, but all you have presented is your belief that it is so.

Hello dear philosopher
Approximately 3 billion people in the world believe so. See the population statistics of Muslims with other divine religions. ... We all believe that.
Do 3 billion people in the world think wrong? !! Certainly not. You think about it more. Of course, this is a great challenge for the disbelievers and the Atheists. And it is understandable.

 

[Pixel42]

Hello dear philosopher
Approximately 3 billion people in the world believe so. See the population statistics of Muslims with other divine religions. ... We all believe that.
Do 3 billion people in the world think wrong?

Yes.

Billions of people are wrong about lots of things.

Billions of people are right about lots of things.

If 3 billion people are Muslims, then 5 billion people are not Muslims.

So either 3 billion people are wrong, or 5 billion people are wrong.

You think about it more. Of course, this is a great challenge for the disbelievers and the Atheists. And it is understandable.

You think about it more. Disbelievers and atheists have already thought about it a great deal, which is why they aren't believers.

Of course, questioning false beliefs they were indoctrinated into from birth is a great challenge for believers. And that is understandable. But plenty of former believers have managed it. Me, for example. The first step is to just think it possible that you are the one who is mistaken.

 

[junkshop]

Hello dear philosopher
Approximately 3 billion people in the world believe so...

Less than half of the world's population, then.

Do 3 billion people in the world think wrong? !! Certainly not. You think about it more. Of course, this is a great challenge for the disbelievers and the Atheists. And it is understandable.

Do 4.9 billion people in the world think wrong? !!

ETA: Ninja'd!

 

[Mojo]

Hello dear philosopher
Yes, we know Hawking was an Atheist. He has not proved God. But his science and scientific discoveries became a tool to prove God.

You have claimed this over and over, but all you have presented is your belief that it is so.

Hello dear philosopher
Approximately 3 billion people in the world believe so.

Do you have any evidence for that? Many theists are agnostic, or believe without proof.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Hello dear philosopher
Approximately 3 billion people in the world believe so. See the population statistics of Muslims with other divine religions. ... We all believe that.
Do 3 billion people in the world think wrong? !! Certainly not. You think about it more. Of course, this is a great challenge for the disbelievers and the Atheists. And it is understandable.

Actually, it's around 2 billion.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/muslim-population-by-country

That leaves around 4-5 billion people who are not Muslim.
Do 4-5 billion people in the world think wrong? !! Certainly not. You think about it more. Of course, this is the great challenge for the Muslims. And it is understandable.

 

[Scorpion]

Hello dear philosopher
Approximately 3 billion people in the world believe so. See the population statistics of Muslims with other divine religions. ... We all believe that.
Do 3 billion people in the world think wrong? !! Certainly not. You think about it more. Of course, this is a great challenge for the disbelievers and the Atheists. And it is understandable.

I thought it was 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, and It seems most of them are dummy's.

You all fell for a bunch of lies by a false prophet who enslaved peoples minds with bunk. Most of it stolen from the bible which is also largely bunk.

As a disbeliever in Muhammad's lies I see no challenge, a brain dead donkey could see the Quran is rubbish, and unlike most people here I am not an atheist.

 

[IanS]

Hello dear philosopher
Approximately 3 billion people in the world believe so. See the population statistics of Muslims with other divine religions. ... We all believe that.
Do 3 billion people in the world think wrong? !! Certainly not. You think about it more. Of course, this is a great challenge for the disbelievers and the Atheists. And it is understandable.

You did not answer the questions. You waited 10 days, and then tried to change the subject! And you did that to avoid that fact that you have no credible honest answer -

- Evolution shows that humans (Homo sapiens) evolved from earlier apes. They were not made by any God ...

... are you claiming that evolution is wrong? If you are claiming that evolution is wrong then you MUST produce real scientific published papers that show evolution is wrong and that an Islamic God created humans instead ...

... please produce all these papers that show how God created humans. Where are these papers?


As for 3 billion religious Muslims believing silly religious things from an old preaching book - believing silly miracle claims does not make the beliefs or the miracles true, does it!

All religious people, from all the hundreds of different religions, believe all sorts of things. They all believe that you & Islam are wrong, and they and their own holy books are right ... they all believe that everyone else is wrong! But none of them can produce any genuine published science to show that any of the gods or any of the beliefs are true in any way at all ... and you don't have any genuine published science that supports your religious beliefs either ...

... did your God create humans? ... where are the science papers that claim any evidence for any God ever creating any humans?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Yes.

Billions of people are wrong about lots of things.

Billions of people are right about lots of things.

If 3 billion people are Muslims, then 5 billion people are not Muslims.

So either 3 billion people are wrong, or 5 billion people are wrong.



You think about it more. Disbelievers and atheists have already thought about it a great deal, which is why they aren't believers.

Of course, questioning false beliefs they were indoctrinated into from birth is a great challenge for believers. And that is understandable. But plenty of former believers have managed it. Me, for example. The first step is to just think it possible that you are the one who is mistaken.

Hello dear pixel
All your words are logical. And you are realistic. Thank you. But what is the solution? What do you think about improvement?
Thank you

 

[heydarian saeed]

Do you have any evidence for that? Many theists are agnostic, or believe without proof.

Hi
Yes. This is a great challenge for theists. You are right. The main reason is this: their theism has only an inherent aspect. And they fanatically believe in something they have not done thorough research on. Well, this approach is completely rejected. And that's a big mistake. But a theism that is thoroughly researched and according to the approach of logic-reason and experimental science is completely correct and acceptable. We know God with this approach and we believe in God completely. I do not mean "us" all Muslims! ...

 

[heydarian saeed]

Actually, it's around 2 billion.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/muslim-population-by-country

That leaves around 4-5 billion people who are not Muslim.
Do 4-5 billion people in the world think wrong? !! Certainly not. You think about it more. Of course, this is the great challenge for the Muslims. And it is understandable.

Hello
If 4 to 5 billion people are not Muslims, there is no reason for them to disbelieve in God. Please correct the conclusion from your statistics. And speak with logic.
Thank you

 

[heydarian saeed]

I thought it was 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, and It seems most of them are dummy's.

You all fell for a bunch of lies by a false prophet who enslaved peoples minds with bunk. Most of it stolen from the bible which is also largely bunk.

As a disbeliever in Muhammad's lies I see no challenge, a brain dead donkey could see the Quran is rubbish, and unlike most people here I am not an atheist.

Hello
Your problem is: without a thorough research on a religion and its bible, you express your own one-sided prejudices. No wonder. Because you are a fanatic. Sorry for you. I recommend that you do more research on religions and the Bible.
Your comment has no validity at this time.
Thank you
Good luck

 

[heydarian saeed]

You did not answer the questions. You waited 10 days, and then tried to change the subject! And you did that to avoid that fact that you have no credible honest answer -

- Evolution shows that humans (Homo sapiens) evolved from earlier apes. They were not made by any God ...

... are you claiming that evolution is wrong? If you are claiming that evolution is wrong then you MUST produce real scientific published papers that show evolution is wrong and that an Islamic God created humans instead ...

... please produce all these papers that show how God created humans. Where are these papers?


As for 3 billion religious Muslims believing silly religious things from an old preaching book - believing silly miracle claims does not make the beliefs or the miracles true, does it!

All religious people, from all the hundreds of different religions, believe all sorts of things. They all believe that you & Islam are wrong, and they and their own holy books are right ... they all believe that everyone else is wrong! But none of them can produce any genuine published science to show that any of the gods or any of the beliefs are true in any way at all ... and you don't have any genuine published science that supports your religious beliefs either ...

... did your God create humans? ... where are the science papers that claim any evidence for any God ever creating any humans?

Hello dear philosopher
I left at least 16 topics for this group for the theory of evolution in the Qur'an and our religion. And I explained it completely. See: We firmly believe that humans are descended from apes. And we fully accept evolution. But he has studied Darwin's theory of evolution from 450 million years ago. Our Qur'an examines the formation of the earth 3.5 billion years ago. And all the scientists in the field of geology, chemistry, biochemistry, physics and astronomy who have briefly commented on abiogenesis have endorsed this approach. That is, evolution took 3.5 billion years. Evolution begins with the single cell "pericarium". And we are mentioned several times in the Qur'an as "single soul". And has stated all the stages of its evolution. I have fully explained at least 42 verses of the Qur'an in 16 topics. The theory of evolution in the Qur'an is more complete than Darwin's theory of evolution. This theory is not fully understood in any of the holy books. But in the Qur'an, it has completely stated all the scientific stages of evolution according to the science of abiogenesis. Darwin proposed evolution in the 18th century and abiogenesis in the 20th century. But the Qur'an in the seventh century has described evolution much more completely! I recommend you. Read my 16 topics on "Evolution in the Qur'an" in this group. read carefully. All your questions about this have been answered.
Good luck

 

[Pixel42]

Hello dear pixel
All your words are logical. And you are realistic. Thank you. But what is the solution? What do you think about improvement?
Thank you

The solution to having been indoctrinated from birth with false beliefs is:

1. Open your mind to the possibility that your beliefs are false

2. Educate yourself using mainstream, verifiable sources

3. Critically examine and evaluate your beliefs in the light of your new knowledge

Good luck.

 

[Mojo]

Hi
Yes. This is a great challenge for theists. You are right. The main reason is this: their theism has only an inherent aspect. And they fanatically believe in something they have not done thorough research on. Well, this approach is completely rejected. And that's a big mistake.

Initially you claimed that you “did some research in the lab to prove the supernatural”, but you later admitted that this was not the case. So it would appear that you are one of these people. Your claim that scientific research proves the existence of god is not backed up by the evidence.

 

[heydarian saeed]

The solution to having been indoctrinated from birth with false beliefs is:

1. Open your mind to the possibility that your beliefs are false

2. Educate yourself using mainstream, verifiable sources

3. Critically examine and evaluate your beliefs in the light of your new knowledge

Good luck.

Hello dear pixel
You said excellent. Your opinion is quite realistic.
I will definitely do it.
Hope to see

 

[heydarian saeed]

Initially you claimed that you “did some research in the lab to prove the supernatural”, but you later admitted that this was not the case. So it would appear that you are one of these people. Your claim that scientific research proves the existence of god is not backed up by the evidence.

Hello
I in previous messages ... I corrected my claim. And I apologized. Please be up to date.
But the proof of God can be proved by objective and scientific evidence. But unfortunately I do not know. I can not prove God to you as you wish through empirical science and objective evidence. This is not Problem of God. This is my fault. I do not have enough knowledge to prove God through empirical knowledge and objective evidence.
Please be up to date.
Good luck

 

[Pixel42]

Hello dear pixel
You said excellent. Your opinion is quite realistic.
I will definitely do it.
Hope to see

You have consistently done the exact opposite of all these steps since you started this thread. My realistic opinion is that you have no intention of changing your approach.

In your very next post you again do the exact opposite.

Hello
I in previous messages ... I corrected my claim. And I apologized. Please be up to date.
But the proof of God can be proved by objective and scientific evidence. But unfortunately I do not know. I can not prove God to you as you wish through empirical science and objective evidence. This is not Problem of God. This is my fault. I do not have enough knowledge to prove God through empirical knowledge and objective evidence.
Please be up to date.
Good luck

It is not your fault that you cannot prove God through empirical science and objective evidence. No one can. It's impossible. The more actual knowledge you obtained, the clearer that would become to you.

But you are evidently still going to assume that your beliefs are correct (the opposite of step 1), and look only for biased sources of information that justify you continuing to think that (the opposite of step 2). You are never going to even try to obtain the critical thinking skills that would enable you to attempt step 3.

 

[Chanakya]

Hello dear pixel
You said excellent. Your opinion is quite realistic.
I will definitely do it.
Hope to see

Your past conduct does not inspire confidence in your honesty, heydarian. You have shown yourself, time and time again, to be so utterly lacking in intellectual integrity, and so given to outright dishonesty when it comes to defending the superstitions you have been fed all your life, that we cannot help doubting that you actually mean what you say this time.

Nevertheless, we'd still like to give you the benefit of the doubt, yet again, but only if you put behind you your past slipperiness and equivocation, and start talking straight. Therefore, we'd like you to very clearly state what exactly you mean to say when you say, "I will definitely do it." What will you "definitely do", heydarian, what exactly?

Please clearly state the following, in so many words, or their equivalent: "I, heydrarian sayeed, promise to stop fanatically supporting my lifelong indoctrination about Islam and the Koran. I promise to consider, honestly and with an open mind, the possibility that the Koran is not the gospel truth I have been taught all my life. I promise to consider, sincerely and with an open mind, the possibiity that the Koran is a nonsensical book of superstitions, that has nothing whatsoever to do with science. I promise to refer to mainstream sources of the kind that Pixel42 and IanS and others here have been pointing to for questions of science, rather than the pseudoscience peddled by many of my fellow Muslims. And I promise to stop lying, for instance, never again will lie that I have tested the Koran in the laboratory, when in fact I have done nothing of the sort."

Go ahead, then. Clearly promise the above, in so many words, or else in your own words but in unequivocal terms. It is never too late to turn over a new leaf. We'll all be very happy if our time spent here might have helped you do that.

 

[LarryS]

Please clearly state the following, in so many words, or their equivalent: "I, heydrarian sayeed, promise to stop fanatically supporting my lifelong indoctrination about Islam and the Koran. I promise to consider, honestly and with an open mind, the possibility that the Koran is not the gospel truth I have been taught all my life. I promise to consider, sincerely and with an open mind, the possibiity that the Koran is a nonsensical book of superstitions, that has nothing whatsoever to do with science. I promise to refer to mainstream sources of the kind that Pixel42 and IanS and others here have been pointing to for questions of science, rather than the pseudoscience peddled by many of my fellow Muslims. And I promise to stop lying, for instance, never again will lie that I have tested the Koran in the laboratory, when in fact I have done nothing of the sort."

Go ahead, then. Clearly promise the above, in so many words, or else in your own words but in unequivocal terms. It is never too late to turn over a new leaf. We'll all be very happy if our time spent here might have helped you do that.

We all could benefit from a similar pledge.