Shamelessness in terms of utterly abandoning all semblance of intellectual integrity.
And I wasn't referring to the incoherence due to the language thing --- it is what it is, and obviously no one's fault --- but to the fact that I simply cannot wrap my head around this kind of complete absence of intellectual integrity. That's the part I find incomprehensible.
Actually Joe's quite right, it isn't as if this is in any way exclusive to him. The "better formatted" are, by and large, exactly like him in this (bar a few honorable exceptions). What I guess this forum lets us do is put their thinking --- heydarian's thinking, in this case --- under the microscope in a way that would generally not be possible in real life. And it's difficult to see how one can possible think in those terms.
I agree, it's religious indoctrination, plain and simple. But why the intellectual dishonesty?
If heydarian would man up and admit --- to himself, and to us --- that, as is evident, his beliefs do not square up with science, but that he nevertheless chooses faith over science, as is his right if he so wishes, then I'd respect that. I mean, it wouldn't be rational, but I'd still respect that. But this constant lying, lying to oneself and lying to others, about what one is saying, despite the fact that those lies are clearly and transparently seen for what they are when you look at his past comments, that ...words fail me. It's ...ghastly, this demonstration of what the religious mind actually looks like. (Again, not to single out heydarian in this; it's just that his case is what we're examining here, and they happen to be so transparently dishonest.)
eta: Agreed, Scorpion's done a great job patiently referencing Islamic scripture to show up that faith for what it actually is.
