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junkshop said:
What, pray tell, is a non-religious god?




How do you see that working?
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My definition is: God who is one. And it has no definition and limit. It is pure and clean. This is the definition of the true God. Religion is the next priority. The first is the one God. Second, belief in religion. Religion is a set of rules. To guide man to a good life. It is important to believe in one God. The rest are all subsidiaries.
The important thing is to believe in God. If God believes. So it is good.
 
heydarian saeed said:
My definition is: God who is one. And it has no definition and limit. It is pure and clean. This is the definition of the true God. Religion is the next priority. The first is the one God. Second, belief in religion. Religion is a set of rules. To guide man to a good life. It is important to believe in one God. The rest are all subsidiaries.
The important thing is to believe in God. If God believes. So it is good.
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A non-religious god requires religion? You have no clue what you're talking about.
 
heydarian saeed said:
Hello
You are all wrong. You are each scattered on a subject. And you are all wrong. Be united. Gather.:rolleyes:
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Everyone else is wrong, including all other Muslims as well as the forum members here, and only you are right, because of a particular and tortured translation of a particular magic book favoured only by you?
No. Seriously, no.
Have you considered the possibility that the rest of the world is right, and you are wrong?
 
heydarian saeed said:
My definition is: God who is one. And it has no definition and limit. It is pure and clean. This is the definition of the true God. Religion is the next priority. The first is the one God. Second, belief in religion. Religion is a set of rules. To guide man to a good life. It is important to believe in one God. The rest are all subsidiaries.
The important thing is to believe in God. If God believes. So it is good.
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Yet more religious preaching.

More religious claims about a supernatural god that you can never produce.

It really is astonishing, and sad, just what utterly infantile stupid nonsense religious people so easily believe.
 
IanS said:
Yet more religious preaching.

More religious claims about a supernatural god that you can never produce.

It really is astonishing, and sad, just what utterly infantile stupid nonsense religious people so easily believe.
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Quite.
'The definition of god is that god has no definition', and 'god has no limit, but there are rules'. Utter nonsense.
 
It's our friend the "Vague God of Vague Vagueness" that wonderful God who no believer actually believes in, yet is the only one we're allowed to acknowledge in discussions about God.
 
heydarian saeed said:
My definition is: God who is one. And it has no definition and limit. It is pure and clean. This is the definition of the true God. Religion is the next priority. The first is the one God. Second, belief in religion. Religion is a set of rules. To guide man to a good life. It is important to believe in one God. The rest are all subsidiaries.
The important thing is to believe in God. If God believes. So it is good.
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A pure and clean and loving god would never found a religion. Especially ones as vile as the Abrahamic ones, which actively seek to pervert and run counter to human nature.
 
heydarian saeed said:
My definition is: God who is one. And it has no definition and limit. It is pure and clean. This is the definition of the true God. Religion is the next priority. The first is the one God. Second, belief in religion. Religion is a set of rules. To guide man to a good life. It is important to believe in one God. The rest are all subsidiaries.
The important thing is to believe in God. If God believes. So it is good.
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It's hard, no impossible, to make any sense of these ramblings.

On the subject of the God you believe in. That would be the Abrahamic God, would it not? As I understand it the scriptures referring to this God are accepted by Jews, Christians, and the followers of Islam.

I have asked this question of Christians before and now ask it of you - a Muslim.
How do you deal with the fact that the Abrahamic God had a chosen people, the Jews, for so long and all the rest where the enemy?
 
So the crazy blathering starts off yet again. Amazing. I find this utter shamelessness incomprehensible.
 
Okay. Take away the crazy blathering and all we're left with is... *checks notes* oh yes a completely mainstream, widely held idea.

Again it's not more or less crazy because it's badly formatted.

You would get some version of a blustering "Ah well he's like love or ah some thing... listen just stop asking and have faith" non-answer if you asked the question in any pulpit in America. The difference would only be in tone and style.
 
True enough. It's just more blatant here, more clearly visible, more ...shameless, this utter disregard for intellectual honesty, but I fully agree, it isn't as if this trait is exclusive to the badly formatted, as you call them.
 
Chanakya said:
So the crazy blathering starts off yet again. Amazing. I find this utter shamelessness incomprehensible.
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Shamelessness? I consider it to be more a result of indoctrination. Once one is thus indoctrinated to believe the koran is the perfect word of some god, one will find any vague excuse to cling to it.

Some of us have asked where it is in the magic book that, say, the Higgs boson was predicted. And various other things. Heydarian glosses over that kind of thing. The aim is not truth. The aim is to cling to the superstition at all costs.

And fair play to Scorpion, he has been pointing out many of these glaring inconsistencies for some time now. While I have read the idiotic book, Scorpion's knowledge of it is encyclopedic.

I consider that the real problem (or suspect) is that if one of the foundational beliefs that underpins one's life is whipped away, that is a hard pill to swallow. And some struggle with that.
 
abaddon said:
Shamelessness? I consider it to be more a result of indoctrination. Once one is thus indoctrinated to believe the koran is the perfect word of some god, one will find any vague excuse to cling to it.

Some of us have asked where it is in the magic book that, say, the Higgs boson was predicted. And various other things. Heydarian glosses over that kind of thing. The aim is not truth. The aim is to cling to the superstition at all costs.

And fair play to Scorpion, he has been pointing out many of these glaring inconsistencies for some time now. While I have read the idiotic book, Scorpion's knowledge of it is encyclopedic.

I consider that the real problem (or suspect) is that if one of the foundational beliefs that underpins one's life is whipped away, that is a hard pill to swallow. And some struggle with that.
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Shamelessness in terms of utterly abandoning all semblance of intellectual integrity.

And I wasn't referring to the incoherence due to the language thing --- it is what it is, and obviously no one's fault --- but to the fact that I simply cannot wrap my head around this kind of complete absence of intellectual integrity. That's the part I find incomprehensible.



Actually Joe's quite right, it isn't as if this is in any way exclusive to him. The "better formatted" are, by and large, exactly like him in this (bar a few honorable exceptions). What I guess this forum lets us do is put their thinking --- heydarian's thinking, in this case --- under the microscope in a way that would generally not be possible in real life. And it's difficult to see how one can possible think in those terms.

I agree, it's religious indoctrination, plain and simple. But why the intellectual dishonesty?

If heydarian would man up and admit --- to himself, and to us --- that, as is evident, his beliefs do not square up with science, but that he nevertheless chooses faith over science, as is his right if he so wishes, then I'd respect that. I mean, it wouldn't be rational, but I'd still respect that. But this constant lying, lying to oneself and lying to others, about what one is saying, despite the fact that those lies are clearly and transparently seen for what they are when you look at his past comments, that ...words fail me. It's ...ghastly, this demonstration of what the religious mind actually looks like. (Again, not to single out heydarian in this; it's just that his case is what we're examining here, and they happen to be so transparently dishonest.)


eta: Agreed, Scorpion's done a great job patiently referencing Islamic scripture to show up that faith for what it actually is.
 
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Chanakya said:
Shamelessness in terms of utterly abandoning all semblance of intellectual integrity.
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Well, that is the bubble that believers put themselves in. Look back up thread and you will find the quote "What makes you love god?" I would go as far as calling that intellectually dishonest. And I get a little peeved with the whole "Even atheists still believe in god" crowd.

Otherwise agree with the rest.
 
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