The supernatural

[IanS]

Make sure I have a good memory. But the liar has a poor memory. I ignore your slander. It does not fit your personality. Note: I said in my initial messages in this group to prove the supernatural. If you have a lab, you can test when the "spirit" enters the fetus. To understand that there is a soul. And I introduced the embryoscope to you and suggested that you use it. And I said I do not have a laboratory. Do this test if you have to. Do you understand? So I did not lie. And in the following messages, I completely ruled out this issue. Do not look for it.

Because the supernatural is not in the realm of our understanding and science. And we should not seek it. Whatever it is, this is the world and it is made of matter. The Qur'an does not speak of the supernatural at all. It speaks only of the material world. With this speech, I also answered all the superstitious religions. And I gave you this great privilege. But unfortunately you did not understand what a great service I did you. The $ 1 million prize of this association reaches my idea. I hope you understand.

I'm going to comment on the highlighted part in your above post. But first I have to say that you have been spamming this forum with nothing more than what is actually a deluge of religious fundamentalist preaching in all of the many hundreds of posts you keep making here.

Obviously you don't care about the fact that you are merely preaching Islam to us. You are not telling us anything else (we already know the answers far better than you do ... because we are using real published science, not the religious books that you are using!). And you are not providing any actual evidence for any of your claims ... you are producing vast masses of what you may believe to be "evidence", but none of it is actual true evidence ... in every single case of you claiming to produce evidence for your claims & beliefs, what you are producing is always just fanatical religious belief (“belief” is NOT “evidence”!) ...

... if you had any genuine evidence then you would be able to produce real science research papers that agreed with your claims about science being revealed in the Koran ... but in fact you have been totally incapable of producing even one such genuine science paper that claims to find evidence of science revealed 1400 years ago by any God.

OK, so turning to that highlight in your post which I have quoted above - if the so-called "supernatural" actually existed, then it would certainly be open to be detected and explained by science. But the plain undeniable fact is that in all of modern science, no evidence or even any hint of anything supernatural has ever been detected. The most obvious and unarguable conclusion from that, is that the "supernatural" does not exist, and it is nothing more than an ancient superstition from people living thousands of years ago at a time when they were totally ignorant of what we have since discovered and explained from modern science.

So I hope what I have just said is clear to you. You will not believe what I have said. But the reason why you won't believe it, is because you are committed to maintaining your religious beliefs & your beliefs in mystical superstitions about imaginary things such as "souls", spirits and angels etc. If you disagree with that, then you MUST produce real science research papers that claim to have discovered a "soul" or spirits or any God.

That is THE bottom line in all of this discussion from you - you MUST produce real independent research published science for the claims that you have made here. Claims such as the existence of your God ... claims such as insisting that verses in the Koran show that God revealed modern science to Mohamed in the 7th century (ie 1400 years ago in the Quran) ... claims that souls or spirits or ghosts or angels exist ... if you cannot produce a substantial number of real independent science research papers where the sceintists claim to show any evidence at all for any of those things, then that is an END to any credibility that you have for any of your beliefs and claims ...

... I have asked you before to produce any such research papers. And you have so far failed entirely 100% to produce even one such paper (out of tens of thousands of science papers that are published every year) ... that is as close to an absolute "proof" as it's possible ever to get in this universe, that all your claims and beliefs are completely untrue and wrong ...

... and if you don't like that, then you MUST produce the published papers with claims of finding evidence of God etc.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Temba, his arms wide.

Darmok and Jelad at Tenagra.

 

[Scorpion]

Heydarian. What is the point of discussing the Quran with you when you deny anything in it that you do not like and call it metaphors.
There are many clearly written verses about hellfire and statements that hell is for eternity.
But you deny these because it suits you.

As for God being the author of the Quran, he must be a mumbling half wit.

Here is a pathetic verse claiming to be Gods words:

Quran 51.56 "I created Jinn and humankind only that they might worship me"

 

[Cosmic Yak]

I like the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam

The moving finger writes, and having writ
Moves on. Nor all thy piety nor wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a line
Nor all thy tears wash out a word of it

I wonder if it's better in the original Persian? It's certainly better than anything in the Qu'ran.

Aye, there's the rub.
I was originally going to quote Hafez and Rumi as examples of good poetry, but they too are in Persian, and the challenge was to show something as good as the verses of the Qur'an, that was in Arabic.
So, as good as Omar Khayyam is, he is unfortunately ineligible for the Million Virgins Prize.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Hi dear friend
You asked a good question. Obviously you think more realistically. All these parameters that you mentioned are present in the influence of the word of God in the Qur'an. Of course in a great way.
Let me share my thoughts with you and other dear friends on your request for this.
In fact, the elements that affect the verses of the Qur'an are multidimensional.

I'm going to snip the rest of this drivel, and just comment on this one statement.
No, the verses of the Qur'an are not multidimensional.
It's just 'do as you're told, or god will really, really hurt you', over and over again. Plus 'don't be friends with unbelievers' and 'women are inferior to men'. There is virtually no positive moral guidance at all. It is dull, intolerant and repetitive.
And yes, I have read it. Twice.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Hi

Thank you for Upload a beautiful site for Qabani Suri poems. I read most of his verses. Really nice. And has referred to a variety of topics.
Politics - brings together mysticism and love. That's a good thing. But ... it is not comparable to the verses of the Quran. Its field is fundamentally different from the Qur'an. Anyway, I love this site and I keep reading it from you.

Again, it took a great deal of wading through theological verbal sludge to find this- and for what?
"No, it's not as good as the Qur'an, because".
Not that I am in any way surprised. The house always wins, right? Or in this case, the Dar always wins. This "challenge" is unwinnable, because the rules are vague, presented without foundation, balance or reason, and subject to arbitrary change by those setting the challenge- with no recourse for appeal or objective assessment.

The Dar ul Islam means 'the house of Islam', and refers to Muslim countries, or the body of Islamic faith.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Hi
I never choose the Arabic language and culture.

Saeed is an Arabic name, and the Iranian Sayyids originally came from Arabia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid#Iran

So, as I said, Muslim names are Arab names.

 

[sackett]

Persians are in an awkward place within Islam. Their old, fairly advanced, and undoubtedly accomplished nation was forced to adopt a crude, even barbarous cult and the alien ways that came with it -- in large part, life-denying ways, as you would expect from one of the mysery religions, and they don't fit very well with ancient Iranian civilization.

Moslemism has done a lot of damage to Iran. I hope we can eventually hear from some educated Iranians who recognize that. Provided they can talk without risk.

 

[Axxman300]

Heydarian. What is the point of discussing the Quran with you when you deny anything in it that you do not like and call it metaphors.
There are many clearly written verses about hellfire and statements that hell is for eternity.
But you deny these because it suits you.

As for God being the author of the Quran, he must be a mumbling half wit.

Here is a pathetic verse claiming to be Gods words:

Quran 51.56 "I created Jinn and humankind only that they might worship me"

Technically, all religions would say this. Judeo-Christian Bible says this.

What's the problem?

The reason I ask is that we have to sit through all of your supposed enlightenment-related revelations, yet you are more close-minded than the average atheist.

The great thing about actual enlightenment, be it spiritual or intellectual, is not giving a crap about things that do not concern nor directly effect you.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Heydarian, how do ants speak Hebrew?

 

[LongFuzzy]

This entire thread is "Shaka, when the walls fell."

 

[MarkCorrigan]

This entire thread is "Shaka, when the walls fell."

Nommed.

 

[Scorpion]

The great thing about actual enlightenment, be it spiritual or intellectual, is not giving a crap about things that do not concern nor directly effect you.

I have been dissing the Quran for twenty years, since the world trade center came down. In that time I have seen the attempts by Isis to take over the middle east. And the beheading of British aid workers. Then there was an attack on parliament and other London attacks and a bombing of tube trains and a bus.

These things may not bother you but they do me, and I will continue to criticize the Quran for as long as I am able to.

The Quran is an evil book of lies about God that leads to fanaticism, and it should be undermined at all possible opportunities.

 

[Scorpion]

Heydarian, never mind all your pseudo scientific claims for the Quran, what about the fact the Quran says the heaven and earth were created in six days?

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Heydarian, never mind all your pseudo scientific claims for the Quran, what about the fact the Quran says the heaven and earth were created in six days?

Motes and beams, motes and beams

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[Scorpion]

Hello Scorpion. Your knowledge of the Qur'an is very limited And minor.
Please read the next messages.

I understand very well that the Quran is a book of evil lies about God.

I told you many posts ago what the real and only meaning of the Quran is.
It can be summarized in the verse that appears many times through the book.

"OBEY ALLAH AND THE MESSENGER".

In other words obey the messenger, obey Muhammad.

The rest of the Quran is unholy trash, and your attempts to make it significant are a colossal waste of your life.

 

[Warp12]

I believe that I have legitimate claim to having the gift of prophecy.

From early August, last year:

He has found a very willing audience and participants.

The thread has 215 posts, 3200 views, going on 7 pages, preaching about the Quran, and he is engaging others to quote the scripture. I'd say he has found the perfect place to present his message, and engage in debate.

I'm pretty sure that was at least part of the goal. After all, he could be presenting his information to a forum of believers.

This has proven to be the ideal environment to present the message. Now at 2635 posts, and nearly 97,000 views. Well done, Heydarian.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Same here*, and for Heydarian's other translation from the same post:




I get "and the star when he fell".

These translations make Heydarian's interpretations even more tenuous, arguably to the point of being nonsensical, but I'm not sure that this proves anything, other than that translation (especially of poetic writings) is at least as much art as it is science.


*Google Translate, for the record.

Hello
Not thinking about the difference between the apparent meaning of the verse you read and my interpretation may have raised many questions. I ask you to read this explanation as well. The word hui in this verse has at least 7 meanings. One of its meanings is "fall" and "destruction". Surely God intends to tell us something important with this important oath. In the next 5 verses, verse 6, he says that the Holy Spirit travels between the two worlds. That is, between the unseen and the material world. Of course, I have said before that he is not the unseen of the world. No one knows what but God. Therefore, the meaning of the world is not correct for the unseen. In fact, the Holy Spirit has a mission To convey the message of God to Muhammad in the material world from the unseen. It tells the truth of revelation. There is no material determination in the unseen. From here he wants to deliver the revelation to Muhammad. Here is the concept of quantum physics. That is, the Mohi channel is a wormhole that is connected to a black hole. This is the channel of revelation. He emphasizes this issue again and says in verse 18 that this is one of the great signs of God. Which Muhammad sees in revelation and how the process of revelation. After this article, I ask you now to see how beautiful and rhythmic the selected words are arranged in 18 verses and by the end of the surah. Like a beautiful poem with a love song ...
Incredibly beautiful, it combines modern science, poetry and song. Amazing. I personally enjoy reading it. That's why I say it is unique. It is not just a claim. It is true. See for yourself and read.
Wishing you success.

 

[heydarian saeed]

I understand very well that the Quran is a book of evil lies about God.

I told you many posts ago what the real and only meaning of the Quran is.
It can be summarized in the verse that appears many times through the book.

"OBEY ALLAH AND THE MESSENGER".

In other words obey the messenger, obey Muhammad.

The rest of the Quran is unholy trash, and your attempts to make it significant are a colossal waste of your life.

Thank you for your compassion for me. I do not see the need for compassion for me. But you are completely wrong about the Qur'an and God. As I said before, your knowledge of the Qur'an and its content and the meaning of its sentences is very small and weak. You are not in a position to critique the Qur'an. Your effort is in vain. Thank you again

 

[Scorpion]

Heydarian, you skipped over this post again. Have you no explanation for it.?

Heydarian, never mind all your pseudo scientific claims for the Quran, what about the fact the Quran says the heaven and earth were created in six days?