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Please do explain these statements that God has claimed it is your work
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Please do explain these statements that God has claimed it is your work
abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
The use of the word "executed" is ironic.
MRC_Hans
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I am assuming that our friend has a limited command of English. I don't think he means that God made claims about heydarian saeed's work.
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abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
Maybe. Once it is religion one can claim anything at all. God says we must always have oysters for breakfast. Who are you to deny god's command?
MRC_Hans
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Youck!
heydarian saeed
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Hello everyone, is there a house ?! I see that the group is off! It is dark here. Let's turn on a light bulb. be happy. I'm coming to you.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello good and dear friend. Haven't you been for a while? I wish you good health.
No. This is not my claim. I mean God has claimed that the creation of the world - the expansion of the world - the contraction of the world and the return of the world to singularity - is all the work of God. I just made this claim of God. I also fully believe in this claim of God. And rightly so.
You say that God has claimed these things. But that is dishonest of you to claim that God has said anything. Because you do not actually know that God has said anything.
What you actually mean, and all that you can honestly say, is that you believe because of your religious faith that God has said things ... it's only your religious belief that God has said anything at all!
You keep talking here about your religious belief as if it must be true as a certain fact ... but it is nothing more than your belief (due to your religion), and it's belief which is NOT supported by any scientific evidence at all. In fact, it's a belief which is contradicted by every pile of scientific evidence and all of scientific discovery ever known in the history of Mankind ... never in the entire history of genuine published research science (that means the real genuine science journals) have any real scientists ever published any evidence at all to claim that your God exists or that there are any words anywhere in the Quran that describe anything in modern science ...
... that's now millions genuine research papers since the first journals began around 1800, and not one of them ever found any hint of any evidence of God or any hint of your claims about science in the Quran. That's a mountain of evidence that would pile higher than mount Everest 20 times over, and all of it is completely incompatible with your God and your Quran.
You are trying to claim that the Quran has thousands of verses about modern science, and claiming that you have scientific support for that. But that is an outright lie ... to be genuinely real published it science it MUST be in those published science journals ... and what you claim as your Islamic science from Islamic propaganda scam websites & books, is NOT published or supported in any genuine science paper at all.
Please produce real genuine science papers from real journals such as Nature, JACS, Phys. Rev. etc., … where are those real research papers? You have NONE! … out of x-million such research papers investigating absolutely everything in the entire universe, you have precisely NONE that claim to prove God or the Quran!
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello. I answered you in previous messages. pay attention.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello. I have read some of these articles. The purpose of evolution lies in the purpose of creation. Creation is also purposeful. Maybe one day science will understand this. Maybe he does not understand. No matter. Belief in the purposefulness of creation and evolution does not stop the progress of science. Rather, it promotes science. If you do not believe in the purposefulness of creation and evolution, let me give you an example.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
By "articles" he seems to mean his own posts.
Hello. Thank you and Pixel 42 for judging me. But ... you are not moderate.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
As IanS rightly points out, it's some guy who wrote a book centuries ago who claims all this, not God. The fact that the guy said the words are actually those of God does not make it true. It's just another unsupported claim, and a manifestly absurd one.
What scientists understand (and they have mountains of objective evidence to support that understanding) is that evolution does not have a purpose. Maybe one day you will also understand this, but I'm not holding my breath.
heydarian saeed
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Hello. No. You have overlooked an important point. The world is on the move. Is not that so? Every move must have a purpose. The world is moving so it definitely has to have a purpose. We must first understand the movement and the necessity of the purpose of the movement, and then go to the stimulus of the movement. That is, the one who creates and directs the movement. This means proving God. Who created the world? Who moved the world? Again, gravity, density, electromagnetism, or other causes? No.These are just the forces and energies that are needed to keep moving. To understand more about this, you need to go back to Planck and the Planck area. I mean, read the scientific content of these two. To clarify the above claim for you. I am not a scientist. But I have referred to these articles for my words. And I have taken what I need to prove my point. These are all the disabled of one cause. What is the main cause that has no cause? Ask science to answer. The main cause, which has no cause, is God alone. God is not a giant or a monster that wants to move the world with greatness. No. This is childish thinking and completely worthless.
God only created the single. All subsequent stages are advanced by science. Everything that should make this move and reach the final goal is seen in the single of his program. Even human science is programmed in singles. God's plan is perfect. God is perfect wisdom. Without any defects. If you know someone other than God who has such a claim, introduce him so that we can know him. It is not difficult to search well to find the claimant. We are all in a very small village in the world.
Science is very good. And it makes me proud. But ... it should not cause pride and arrogance in any way. I apologize for having to say this important point.
Good luck
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello
Just a question from yourself: What are you breathing for? Is it pointless? If so, what is the purpose of your breathing? Why are you doing this? Do you need to breathe to reach your goal? Or not. But the first part of your talk: how much can an illiterate person know about his day-to-day issues 1400 years ago, in the seventh century? There are approximately 6,200 articles in the Qur'an in all fields. Can that illiterate person say it himself? And said that he had no teacher. He was also illiterate so that he could read and understand the Bible or the Torah from the Bible and write the book of the Qur'an. So who wrote the Qur'an? You please answer. I want to hear from you.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello. Please refer to message 2494 .... By the way, God does not need proof. The existence of the universe and the motion of the universe prove God. And that is enough. And it is easy to understand.
Thanks
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
You say that God has claimed these things. But that is dishonest of you to claim that God has said anything. Because you do not actually know that God has said anything.
What you actually mean, and all that you can honestly say, is that you believe because of your religious faith that God has said things ... it's only your religious belief that God has said anything at all!
You keep talking here about your religious belief as if it must be true as a certain fact ... but it is nothing more than your belief (due to your religion), and it's belief which is NOT supported by any scientific evidence at all. In fact, it's a belief which is contradicted by every pile of scientific evidence and all of scientific discovery ever known in the history of Mankind ... never in the entire history of genuine published research science (that means the real genuine science journals) have any real scientists ever published any evidence at all to claim that your God exists or that there are any words anywhere in the Quran that describe anything in modern science ...
... that's now millions genuine research papers since the first journals began around 1800, and not one of them ever found any hint of any evidence of God or any hint of your claims about science in the Quran. That's a mountain of evidence that would pile higher than mount Everest 20 times over, and all of it is completely incompatible with your God and your Quran.
You are trying to claim that the Quran has thousands of verses about modern science, and claiming that you have scientific support for that. But that is an outright lie ... to be genuinely real published it science it MUST be in those published science journals ... and what you claim as your Islamic science from Islamic propaganda scam websites & books, is NOT published or supported in any genuine science paper at all.
Please produce real genuine science papers from real journals such as Nature, JACS, Phys. Rev. etc., … where are those real research papers? You have NONE! … out of x-million such research papers investigating absolutely everything in the entire universe, you have precisely NONE that claim to prove God or the Quran!
Hello dear professor. I enjoy talking to you. But to respond to your message, I would like to discuss the following with you. do you let me?
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
You say that God has claimed these things. But that is dishonest of you to claim that God has said anything. Because you do not actually know that God has said anything.
What you actually mean, and all that you can honestly say, is that you believe because of your religious faith that God has said things ... it's only your religious belief that God has said anything at all!
You keep talking here about your religious belief as if it must be true as a certain fact ... but it is nothing more than your belief (due to your religion), and it's belief which is NOT supported by any scientific evidence at all. In fact, it's a belief which is contradicted by every pile of scientific evidence and all of scientific discovery ever known in the history of Mankind ... never in the entire history of genuine published research science (that means the real genuine science journals) have any real scientists ever published any evidence at all to claim that your God exists or that there are any words anywhere in the Quran that describe anything in modern science ...
... that's now millions genuine research papers since the first journals began around 1800, and not one of them ever found any hint of any evidence of God or any hint of your claims about science in the Quran. That's a mountain of evidence that would pile higher than mount Everest 20 times over, and all of it is completely incompatible with your God and your Quran.
You are trying to claim that the Quran has thousands of verses about modern science, and claiming that you have scientific support for that. But that is an outright lie ... to be genuinely real published it science it MUST be in those published science journals ... and what you claim as your Islamic science from Islamic propaganda scam websites & books, is NOT published or supported in any genuine science paper at all.
Please produce real genuine science papers from real journals such as Nature, JACS, Phys. Rev. etc., … where are those real research papers? You have NONE! … out of x-million such research papers investigating absolutely everything in the entire universe, you have precisely NONE that claim to prove God or the Quran!
My religious beliefs, though, were inherited at the beginning of my life. Because my fathers were also Muslims. But after entering the university, my religious thoughts became generally incompatible. Because I saw in the Qur'an itself that it says: Do not accept your thoughts and religion as inherited !! Well, I changed it too. I only sought to prove my religion through extensive scientific and historical research in documented and credible documents. Now my religion is not inherited. I believe in Islam, the Qur'an and God with authentic knowledge and documents. Even now I have no prejudice. If science proves something contrary to God's claim in its book, the Qur'an, I will accept it. But I have not seen it yet. Science is in accordance with God and the Qur'an. No contradiction is observed. If you have something contrary to this claim, let me know. And to answer as much as I can scientifically.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
You say that God has claimed these things. But that is dishonest of you to claim that God has said anything. Because you do not actually know that God has said anything.
What you actually mean, and all that you can honestly say, is that you believe because of your religious faith that God has said things ... it's only your religious belief that God has said anything at all!
You keep talking here about your religious belief as if it must be true as a certain fact ... but it is nothing more than your belief (due to your religion), and it's belief which is NOT supported by any scientific evidence at all. In fact, it's a belief which is contradicted by every pile of scientific evidence and all of scientific discovery ever known in the history of Mankind ... never in the entire history of genuine published research science (that means the real genuine science journals) have any real scientists ever published any evidence at all to claim that your God exists or that there are any words anywhere in the Quran that describe anything in modern science ...
... that's now millions genuine research papers since the first journals began around 1800, and not one of them ever found any hint of any evidence of God or any hint of your claims about science in the Quran. That's a mountain of evidence that would pile higher than mount Everest 20 times over, and all of it is completely incompatible with your God and your Quran.
You are trying to claim that the Quran has thousands of verses about modern science, and claiming that you have scientific support for that. But that is an outright lie ... to be genuinely real published it science it MUST be in those published science journals ... and what you claim as your Islamic science from Islamic propaganda scam websites & books, is NOT published or supported in any genuine science paper at all.
Please produce real genuine science papers from real journals such as Nature, JACS, Phys. Rev. etc., … where are those real research papers? You have NONE! … out of x-million such research papers investigating absolutely everything in the entire universe, you have precisely NONE that claim to prove God or the Quran!
Hello dear professor. I enjoy talking to you. But to respond to your message, I would like to discuss the following with you. do you let me professor?
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
I am a conscious entity. Conscious entities can, and often do, have goals and therefore purposes.
Evolution is not a conscious entity. Nature is not a conscious entity. Neither, therefore, have goals or purposes.
You are once again assuming that God exists, and then pointing to things that happen that would only have goals and purposes if they were being directed by such a god, and claiming their imagined goals and purposes as proof that God does exist. It's a circular argument, and it makes no logical sense.
I don't know who wrote the Qu'ran, but whoever it was they were clearly unaware of most of what could loosely be described as the scientific knowledge of their time. They certainly show no awareness of scientific discoveries to come, your mental acrobatics attempting to prove otherwise notwithstanding. What they wrote is very repetitious and mostly consists of rants about unbelievers. There is very little in it of any value.
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