heydarian saeed
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I do not understand what you mean by Tao. Please explain what you mean by Tao? Thanks
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I do not understand what you mean by Tao. Please explain what you mean by Tao? Thanks
heydarian saeed
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Hello. I do not agree with you. Ridicule is generally rejected. Far from them is the human personality.
There are better ways to fix something ridiculous. Proper guidance is a good way. In this group, except for you, I do not see anyone who guides in the right way. I see you logically. And you have a good personality. Congratulation. Unfortunately, no one but you is willing to give logical guidance. For example, I asked the friends of this group how I can send a message to "Darat"? But unfortunately one of my friends made fun of me. Do you approve of this ugly behavior? While I was very easy to connect with Darat. And I gave the message.
I believe we are always taking the test. And everyone shows their personality ...
I do not approve of ridicule at all. And I hate this behavior.
heydarian saeed
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Hello. My religion is monotheism. I only accept one God. The gods are rejected in my opinion. The material world is limited. It is not infinite. Our knowledge as human beings is also limited to understanding this material world. I mean the limitation of human science. That's why so many questions remain unanswered. I am not in hurry. I'll wait for science to answer the two important questions I asked. But judging the unknown is irrational. We do not know many topics. So why deny God? At least we do not know God as well as many unknowns. And we do not know him. In my opinion, this is the best answer to the existence of God. I do not accept superstitions at all. I do not enter into superstitions in any way. You judge God only from the background of the thinking of Muslims, especially extremist Muslims. It does not seem logical.
God is not something we humans have defined for him. Because of these misconceptions, some people are extremists. On the other hand, some abuse God to achieve their personal goals. I reject all these approaches. God is only one. And it has no specific definition. There is no obligation to accept God. But denying God is also not logical. Remember: God has no specific definition. No one can abuse God personally. He will be disgraced very soon. Just as the denial of God is soon exposed. I am not a politician. And I have nothing to do with it. But I understand politics well. Absolutely accurate.
Cosmic Yak
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heydarian, which one of these statements from you is a lie?
Cosmic Yak
Philosopher
No. You're a grown man. Look it up yourself.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
"The gods" includes a single god as well as multiple gods. There is no good reason to believe in any god, including yours.
There's something called 'the burden of proof', which you might want to read up on.
I cannot completely rule out the existence of god(s), but no one has ever given me a good reason to rule him/them in. So my default assumption is that no gods exist. If anyone ever does come up with a good argument, or - even better - objective evidence, I will willingly reconsider that assumption. But the burden of proof is on the believers. Certainly nothing you have posted comes close to persuading me.
You just said in your last post (that I quoted back to you), that the universe is infinite! And now you immediately claim the opposite! You have no idea what you yourself are saying from one post to the next!
As for you talking about "your opinion" on the existence of a God ... your opinion is far less valid than the actual evidence. And that evidence has been studied in such depth by science that it's virtually beyond peoples comprehension to understand just what a vast amount of evidence and explanation has been achieved by modern science ... and there is simply zero evidence for the God that you believe in ...
... as I've explained to you many times, and which you cannot possibly argue against or disagree with, out of a million or more in-depth very precise research papers, not a single one has ever been able to report even the most microscopic hint of your God!! ...
... you may like to believe in the God, because you have been raised to be religious, but your religious "opinion" is completely contradicted by every genuine scientific test ever made.
As for whatever else your post may have said, I am not going to waste my time reading any of it, and neither should anyone else here waste any more time with your fanatical religious posts, because it's all the same things over-&-over-&-over-again-&-again that you have been flooding this forum with for hundreds of pages now.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hi Professor. Maybe this is your impression. But this is definitely not my opinion. You probably haven't read my 16 messages for evolution. Or are you kidding. In any case, you are not following a good approach.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello. I see that you are evading a lot. Always go to the point of talking. Your message 2365 was answered in message 2371. Your message 2376 was answered in message 2380. The answer to your 2382 message is: Every process in the universe is purposeful. Therefore, biological evolution has its own purpose. Please refer to the numerous articles on biology and biogenesis. Your answer is there.
Evolution does not have a "purpose". There is zero evidence of that.
By deliberately choosing the word "purpose" you are suggesting some sort of intelligent design driving evolution ... but there is zero evidence of any such thing in any of the hundreds of thousands of published papers and research studies of any part evolution since Darwins publication of 1859 ... no evidence of any kind of intelligent thinking "purpose".
Do really not understand that?
Can you produce any genuine published science paper that claims an intelligent deliberately designed purpose that has guided evolution?
No? You cannot produce any such papers saying that? Why not? Why can't you produce those papers? After all there have been hundreds of thousands of genuine science papers published on evolution ... and not a single one has ever claimed any evidence of deliberate "purpose".
You are yet again just preaching more-&-more religious belief that is in complete denial of all of known genuine science.
heydarian saeed
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Hello.
First, what I am talking about God is God's claim in the Qur'an and the holy books. And I believe in that.
Secondly: Whatever science discovers has in fact proved the existence of God. Human science studies and discovers all the events and happenings of the universe to the best of its ability. The universe was created by God. Therefore, science says everything for the existence of God. That's the point. All scientific evidence and objective evidence is proof of God. I have told you many examples of modern science in this regard. I mention again:
We have 43 verses in the Qur'an for the expansion of the universe and the Big Bang, which occurred according to quantum science. And God has claimed that it is my work. - For the contraction of the universe and the event of the Day of Judgment, we have 2000 verses in the Qur'an that God has executed is my work. - Verse 104 of Sura 21 tells the model of Professor Hawking. (At the end of the world, the sky is falling apart.) I have all the above content with separate, independent and completely scientific articles taken from world-renowned sites.
Third: You are only allowed to submit your own opinion. And we respect your opinion. But you are not allowed to speak on behalf of others. Let others see, think, and choose for themselves. All people are wise. They do not need a lawyer to understand ordinary issues such as this theism. Please respect the freedom of public opinion and opinion of others.
Special thanks to you
heydarian saeed
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Hello
The choice is yours. I never seek to persuade others to accept my beliefs, not even the existence of God. There is no compulsion. Isn't it free to present public opinion here? I also present my thoughts and ideas. The choice is yours. There is no compulsion. I have no advice especially for you. Because I love your science and your logic. Well I think I did not limit your choice. I give my opinion, although it is not in line with yours. As you are free and say ...
I'm just looking at the first highlighted line ... I am definitely NOT wasting any more of my time reading the rest of whatever you are going to repeat hear ad-nauseam. ...
... your very first line says it all - you are claiming that God exists and that he produced the words of the Koran and that it must all be correct because you know it is from God ... and you "believe that" ...
... but your beliefs about God have zero value or validity when you cannot back that up by producing real published scientific papers showing that God produced the words of the Koran ...
... where are the real genuine scientific papers that have examined the Koran and concluded that God exists? ...
...there are NO such papers with claims of any such evidence of your God at all! None! Hundreds of thousands papers with every imaginable type of test and every possible examination of what really does exist as evidence for anything, and zero evidence at all for your believed God!
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It's you, not others, that's doing your best to evade everything that goes against your baseless superstitions.
This entire thread is a load of disingenuous nonsense, from beginning to end. It is demonstration of a mentality that is either literally insane, or else utterly deluded (as religious fundamentalists sometimes/often are), or else it is a very ably executed piece of trolling.
In any case, only a fool would continue to extend the benefit of the doubt to you at this point. You are not honestly mistaken and confused, you are deliberately out to troll and/or preach your poisonous nonsense, and it would be stupid to continue to be sympathetic to your efforts at doing that.
MarkCorrigan
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It was a yes or no question skip. Attempting to parse this gibberish I'm thinking your answer is yes, evolution has a goal?
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
No.
No, it doesn't.
It is indeed and that answer is: "No, evolution does not have a purpose or a goal". As you would know if you bothered to read those articles.
Carlotta
Graduate Poster
By "articles" he seems to mean his own posts. 
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
By "articles" he seems to mean his own posts.
I assumed he meant the many scientific articles on those subjects, but you may well be right. His own 'articles', of course, do not begin to support his claims, being filled with mistakes, misunderstandings and baseless speculation.
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Well no, not at all. Why would one assume that the universe has a purpose? This would imply that the universe was created by an imagined entity to attain a specific outcome. But there is no substantive reason outside of man-made 'holy' books for imagining such a scenario.
Because if you assume the universe has a purpose then that's proof that there's a giant invisible sky wizard to give it a purpose.
"Wait... it's like your only assuming this so it proves there's a God?" is sort of the point. It's a feature, not a bug.
"Wait... it's like your only assuming this so it proves there's a God?" is sort of the point. It's a feature, not a bug.
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