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heydarian saeed said:
Hello dear friend. If you pay attention, genetics is one of the biological sciences. And I have given your answer in the article on human evolution.
Reminder:Genetics has discovered the structure and functions of each molecule but has not been able to discover the command. This is the great mystery of creation. And it has not been answered yet. Life consists of two subjects, the first is the material structure of the living being and the second is the command in it to find life.
Scientists can make molecules in the laboratory, but how do they make these inanimate molecules alive? This is their knot, and this is the spirit of God who created life. Whatever We Have In Life
The earth we see is the re-creation of the original creation. Not a new creation.
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Abiogenesis =/= evolution. Once more you prove you know nothing of this field of science, so why do you use it in your arguments?
 
heydarian saeed said:
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you are wrong. I do not refer to religious sites for knowledge in the Qur'an. Think realistically.
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I do not believe you. Look at your own words above - you are saying that you have not used religious websites for what you believe about the Koran. But I did not ask if you had used those sites for your religious faith in Islam & the Koran...

... what I said is that you are very clearly getting your beliefs about science from religious Islamic Ijaz sources.

The Koran does not contain any description or mention of modern science. But the Islamic Ijaz books and websites do contain all of that, and what you keep claiming about science in the Koran is EXACTLY all the same as those Ijaz books and websites have been claiming and publishing since at least 1976 ... that's almost 50 years before you started to repeat it all here …

… you are now trying to claim that you are the person who discovered “over 100 scientific explanations in the Koran" … but it had all been published in Islamic religious books before you were even born!


You are getting your scientific beliefs from those fundamentalist Islam Ijaz sources. And that is extremely clear!
 
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MarkCorrigan said:
Heydarian stop ignoring me.
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Fat chance. Heydarian supposes that in lieu of a discussion he can simply blare his crackpot religion and preach at us and somehow we will all convert to islam, because reasons.

But if one takes a moment, one can see what a mess of horror the claimed god is.
 
abaddon said:
Fat chance. Heydarian supposes that in lieu of a discussion he can simply blare his crackpot religion and preach at us and somehow we will all convert to islam, because reasons.

But if one takes a moment, one can see what a mess of horror the claimed god is.
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To me the real "mess of horror" is this unbelievably, even inconceivably, muddied and muddled thinking process that is seemingly simply incapable of seeing what is in plain sight and understanding what has been so clearly explained so often. Dishonesty is fine, I mean it's not pretty and might sometimes be evil but deliberate dishonesty one can understand as an unavoidable occasional human trait. But this sheer incapacity to even understand the concept of intellectual integrity, or to even comprehend the most basic principles of a scientific worldview, that darkness of the mind, reduced to incessant sub-human and meaningless gibbering, that to me is the definition of hell. Hell is real enough, and right here. And not just here, unfortunately, although I don't recall having seen such a brazen and, well, distilled example before.

I wonder what the cure to such imbecility might be, generally speaking, or whether the afflicted must necessarily live with this mental fog until they die (by which time they'll have spread the contagion to the next generation). Because this isn't literally imbecility, after all, not actual stupidity, it's something way more different, and twisted, than that.

This thread's good for the lulz, sure, but it's also a deeply disturbing thread. Because this disease seemingly has no cure.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
Abiogenesis =/= evolution. Once more you prove you know nothing of this field of science, so why do you use it in your arguments?
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Hello dear master. I'm very happy to talk to you. I read the whole abiogenesis article that you said. And I have checked on different sites. In this article, I have fully explained the evolution of living things in this group in 16 messages. As I said, evolution actually started 14 billion years ago during chemical evolution. And in the solar system, and especially the Earth, it has occurred almost 4 billion years ago during various events in the Earth's crust - oceans - atmosphere and ....
In my article, I said that I have referred to the same scientific content of Abiogenesis site. Did you read my article in full? Of course, I'm still looking at other things to do. Although I promised not to "preach" anymore. But I do not give up trying even to understand myself in these beautiful scientific subjects. And I'm always eager to read and learn new science.
In any case, no definitive opinion has yet been made about the life of inanimate matter. And it's an important question that has not been answered. And how inanimate matter came to life is still unknown. I will give you just one example in the following article.

Eugene Koonin said,

Despite considerable experimental and theoretical effort, no compelling scenarios currently exist for the origin of replication and translation, the key processes that together comprise the core of biological systems and the apparent pre-requisite of biological evolution. The RNA World concept might offer the best chance for the resolution of this conundrum but so far cannot adequately account for the emergence of an efficient RNA replicase or the translation system. The MWO ["many worlds in one"] version of the cosmological model of eternal inflation could suggest a way out of this conundrum because, in an infinite multiverse with a finite number of distinct macroscopic histories (each repeated an infinite number of times), emergence of even highly complex systems by chance is not just possible but inevitable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
With best regards and good health and success to you and other friends
 
IanS said:
I do not believe you. Look at your own words above - you are saying that you have not used religious websites for what you believe about the Koran. But I did not ask if you had used those sites for your religious faith in Islam & the Koran...

... what I said is that you are very clearly getting your beliefs about science from religious Islamic Ijaz sources.

The Koran does not contain any description or mention of modern science. But the Islamic Ijaz books and websites do contain all of that, and what you keep claiming about science in the Koran is EXACTLY all the same as those Ijaz books and websites have been claiming and publishing since at least 1976 ... that's almost 50 years before you started to repeat it all here …

… you are now trying to claim that you are the person who discovered “over 100 scientific explanations in the Koran" … but it had all been published in Islamic religious books before you were even born!


You are getting your scientific beliefs from those fundamentalist Islam Ijaz sources. And that is extremely clear!
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1- I do not understand what you mean by this?


2- No. No, I do not use it at all. Of course there is. You are right. But I do not use. And I do not accept. Rather, I receive scientific content through my own reviews on scientific sites and negotiations with relevant experts. These are new theories about science in the Qur'an. Of course, there is old scientific content on the sites you are talking about. But I rejected them. And I do not refer. Have you seen and seen the comprehensiveness of my article on the religious site of the article "Evolution from the Perspective of the Quran"? If so, tell us its address so we can check.

3- You told a good history. How interesting is my age too! Why not. I do not use. Of course, I've seen almost all of these sites you mention. And I read. I like reading. But I did not like any of them. And I refused. My Quranic theories are new. I have no claim. If you have such scientific material in the Qur'an, bring it.

4- No. My Quranic scientific theories are new. If you have the same content as me, bring it. With his address.
5- No. Give reasons and examples for your claim. You will not find my Quranic scientific content in any religious site. Bring it if you have. I have told this to you and other friends many times. I say it again. My Quranic scientific theories are new. Scorpion gave me good advice: "If these are new and the meaning and interpretation of the day of the Qur'an, be careful not to harm me. " Even in my country. he is right. "Being different is always and everywhere a crime."
 
IanS said:
I do not believe you. Look at your own words above - you are saying that you have not used religious websites for what you believe about the Koran. But I did not ask if you had used those sites for your religious faith in Islam & the Koran...

... what I said is that you are very clearly getting your beliefs about science from religious Islamic Ijaz sources.

The Koran does not contain any description or mention of modern science. But the Islamic Ijaz books and websites do contain all of that, and what you keep claiming about science in the Koran is EXACTLY all the same as those Ijaz books and websites have been claiming and publishing since at least 1976 ... that's almost 50 years before you started to repeat it all here …

… you are now trying to claim that you are the person who discovered “over 100 scientific explanations in the Koran" … but it had all been published in Islamic religious books before you were even born!


You are getting your scientific beliefs from those fundamentalist Islam Ijaz sources. And that is extremely clear!
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MarkCorrigan said:
Heydarian stop ignoring me.
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Hello my dear friend. No. I always think about you. You do not know how much I love you? I want to hug you once. And kiss you. I'm serious.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Heydarian stop ignoring me.
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Hello my dear friend. I always think about you. And I love you so much. I only think of the existence of pure people. Like you are clean. Believe me, I want to hug and kiss you once.Believe me, I am your friend. I do not know why you do not want to be my friend ?! Authority with yourself. Of course, do not rush, we will meet very soon.
 
abaddon said:
OK, I don't care if you die

Do you think your superstitious nonsense is helping?

Nope. You cannot assume that nobody but you has come close to death. Been there, done that. There is no god.

All of those are lies.

You seem quite comfortable with lying your butt off. How come you get to lie?

They don't have appendages.

Wrong. Totally wrong

Cluster? WTF is that? And Jupiter has 4 famous moons, not three. And none of them is called Cluster.

So you agree. Most of the universe will kill us. Clearly it was not "designed" for us. What an incompetent god you have.

What you are spouting is utter nonsense.
No. Why should anyone waste time on that?

Wallow in your own ignorance if you so wish. Just don't attempt to drag others down to your level.
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IanS said:
You are going to have to stop this. Your posts are becoming outrageous. What you have done above is to present yourself as an expert on science and quantum theory. But you actually have no education in this at all. Actually what you have done (for about the 100th time here!), is to copy huge sections from Islamic I'jaz propaganda websites, and paste them in here ...

... you are repeatedly using your religious Islamic websites as your source of science. But those websites are pure religious dishonest propaganda. And like a lot of other scientifically uneducated Muslims, you believe it all.

If you are going to quote science then (a) you need to get it from genuine independent science sources, such as course textbooks or better still you need to do at least a first degree in physics or chemistry. But whatever you do, DO NOT get your science beliefs from thoroughly dishonest religious propaganda websites. & then paste it all in here. And secondly (b) when you produce any copied claims about science here, you must give a proper full reference to where you got/copied those claims from.
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Please read message 2406 carefully. You are wrong.
 
Pixel42 said:
There is no command. At a certain level of complexity, chemistry becomes biology. There is no sharp divide, and no special extra ingredient that needs to be added. This has been understood for a long time. That you don't, or refuse to, understand it is nobody's problem but yours.
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Please read message 2406 carefully. Despite believing in your honesty. And you speak best of all, but ... You are wrong.
 
heydarian saeed said:
Please read message 2406 carefully.
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Message 2406 seems to be a layman's attempt to summarise some of the available scientific evidence and speculation about abiogenesis. It's a simplistic summary, but reasonably accurate. It doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know, and it certainly does not support your claim that there is some magic "command" that had to be issued in order for life to begin.

Despite believing in your honesty. And you speak best of all, but ... You are wrong.
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I'm pretty sure that my understanding of the science is considerably greater than yours.

The comment by Eugene Koonin is about a part of the abiogenesis process that isn't (yet) completely understood. That gap in our understanding is nowhere near big enough for you to insert your God. Precedent strongly suggests that it is science that will fill it, not ignorant superstition.
 
Why are you refusing to answer my question and just being creepy in response to my posts Heydarian? It's a yes or no question.
 
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