The supernatural

[Mojo]

Let me remind you again: The human genome was the ultimate evolution of eukaryotes (early single cells). And formed after 3 billion years in the process of human evolution on Earth. This is one of the most important discoveries in biology. And it is completely scientific.

No it isn’t. It betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of both the theory of evolution and science in general.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Hi dear friend. Your question depends on how you define "humanity". Of course, I do not interfere in your meaning and interpretation of the word humanity. The choice is yours. My personal opinion is: man must always be on the path of evolution. And do not spare any effort. In my opinion, achieving "complete happiness" is the ultimate evolution of man. And I think everything in the universe came into being because of that. And all the objects of the universe interact with man. Of course, you might think that I am a human-centered and introverted person. No. This is not the case. I said: The whole universe interacts with man. And man must also interact with the universe.

This is gibberish.

Do you think biological evolution has an end goal?

 

[Thor 2]

This is gibberish.

Do you think biological evolution has an end goal?

Gibberish it most certainly is.

Typical of the theist mind however, to think of evolution having a goal. When the theist accepts the truth that evolution has been proven beyond doubt. (They have to be dragged kicking and screaming to this conclusion). They then claim evolution as the mechanism their god used to create. Hence it has a purpose or goal.

 

[Susheel]

Hello. I believe in the supernatural. But it is not in the domain and authority of man. And can not check. And there is no need for man to understand what the supernatural is?

So, re: your OP:

I did some research in the lab to prove the supernatural and I am attaching a written article Please read and comment I answered

Does this end the thread?

I guess you can start another one with a title like... "Why Islam is the bestest religion in the whole universe and you would do well to follow it...or else."

Maybe it would be more honest, if not truthful.

 

[heydarian saeed]

What Hawking are you citing? Hardly Stephen Hawking : “What I meant by ‘we would know the mind of God’ is, we would know everything that God would know, if there were a God, which there isn’t. I’m an atheist.”
I guess many others in this thread aready asked you, please point to where you've found "the words of Hawking" you report.
And frankly, you seem to have no idea what the (Heisenberg) uncertainty principle is about. Among others.

Greetings and devotion to you
In physics we have two separate spectrums: theoretical physics and quantum physics. This story of uncertainty goes back to the era of electron discovery. They did not deal with an accurate detector at that time to detect electrons. They used X-rays. They had just discovered the electron and wanted to know where the electron was?
Each time they took a picture of a hydrogen atom with one electron, the pictures were different. So they discovered the principle of irregularity in the electron circuit. And they said that we can not say with certainty where the electron is? They did not know that electrons have the properties of waves and particles together. Heisenberg was not only a prominent physicist but also a philosopher. And at that time philosophy was interfering in the shortcomings of the natural sciences, and the uncertainty was accepted by the general public of physicists.
Until Professor Bohr discovered the electron circuit model in atoms with more than a few electrons. All topics arose within the framework of probability and theoretical physics. Based on theoretical physics, you can calculate the exact location of the rock you throw with mathematical formulas. That is why missiles were built. And man landed on the moon exactly according to mathematical calculations.
Einstein calculated the speed of light and argued that nothing in the material world could move faster than light, that is, they stated the laws of mechanical physics with certainty, and that the principle of causality was the main law of theoretical physics. Everything has a specific cause in its existence. With this view, they also looked at God and said that as a physicist, God must also be a cause in his creation. Quantum science took categories into another world.
Discussion of the Genesis of the Universe - The range of singularity and the astonishing rate of expansion of the universe after expansion, the quantum quantum nature of photons and electrons and neutrinos, which were stable elementary particles at the beginning of the manifestation of pure light. And they still maintain their stability. The dominance of photons in the material world and metamaterial waves showed that the principle of uncertainty is valid to the extent of theoretical physics. And quantum science is the hidden world of the metamaterial.
From here, philosophy can no longer be a tool for discussing physics, and its era is practically over. It is beyond the scope of theoretical physics to place a stone, a tree, a material designation whose existence is visible, next to reason, understanding, consciousness, which exist but are not accessible, and to seek its causes. For example, astronomers can not penetrate the universe with the formula of mathematics due to the existence of the universe and the scope of oneness or singularity or the Planck period.
For this purpose, the word singularity (in Arabic, oneness and in Persian, singularity) was declared a range in which mathematical equations lose their validity. Of course, singularity is a general concept in physics and mathematics. And cosmic singularity also examines the Planck range. And physics says that singularity eventually ends in singular.
Here, contrary to this view, Planck's time range is ten to the power of minus forty-three seconds, which is an obvious violation of uncertainty. Oneness are not the rulers and that is where quantum science rules. The laws of physics lose their validity in the realm of singularity.
So there is no "time" in Planck - the range of Planck and singularity. Only quantum physics speaks here. There is no place for theoretical physics and time. That is why the universe came into being out of nothing and suddenly. And it can not create itself in any way. And the builder wants. I hope I have told you and other friends the meaning of the uncertainty principle simply and concisely.

 

[heydarian saeed]

No.

To elaborate. Hell no.

I suggest you actually look into genetics and learn how it works, then come back to this drivel.
Of course that will be hard, as learning genetics means reading more than 1 book.
This is the problem with all the -my holy book shows science- idiocies, the sum of the current scientific knowledge of mankind takes up enough books to fill several rooms, possibly several houses. And yet believers always assume that a work of mythologies that can fit in a single pocket somehow is a better reference.

The human genome is NOT the ultimate evolution of eukaryotes. Eukaryotes are still evolving. Evolution has no end other than the total extinction of all life when the sun bakes the earth in a billion years or so. Not only that, the human genome is so flawed that if it were designed, the designer is an utter incompetent or a total sadist.
Which is your god?

Hi dear friend. Welcome to our discussion. Apparently you are trying to point out a scientific point. I am eager to tell you the source of your knowledge so that I can read and understand. If you are careful, I said that the final evolution of a single eukaryotic cell is to reach the genome. We are not talking about the final evolution of life and man. The living structure of the living eukaryote was completed with the genome. But matter was lifeless. How and by what mechanism did this inanimate substance come to life? And found life? If you can answer this very important question, biologists and life scientists will be very grateful to you. And humanity will be proud of you. And the scientific source of my talk Please read the following messages: 2113-2114-2172-2173-2177-2178-2182-2183-2184- 2185- 2199-2200-2202-2234-2235-2236 If you pay attention, 16 messages entitled "Human evolution article from the perspective God in the Qur'an "I wrote to All friends of this group. It goes without saying that the names of famous biologists and geologists and related sites are mentioned in this article.
Thanks

 

[MRC_Hans]

Greetings and devotion to you
In physics we have two separate spectrums: theoretical physics and quantum physics. This story of uncertainty goes back to the era of electron discovery. They did not deal with an accurate detector at that time to detect electrons. They used X-rays. They had just discovered the electron and wanted to know where the electron was?
Each time they took a picture of a hydrogen atom with one electron, the pictures were different. So they discovered the principle of irregularity in the electron circuit. And they said that we can not say with certainty where the electron is? They did not know that electrons have the properties of waves and particles together. Heisenberg was not only a prominent physicist but also a philosopher. And at that time philosophy was interfering in the shortcomings of the natural sciences, and the uncertainty was accepted by the general public of physicists.
Until Professor Bohr discovered the electron circuit model in atoms with more than a few electrons. All topics arose within the framework of probability and theoretical physics. Based on theoretical physics, you can calculate the exact location of the rock you throw with mathematical formulas. That is why missiles were built. And man landed on the moon exactly according to mathematical calculations.
Einstein calculated the speed of light and argued that nothing in the material world could move faster than light, that is, they stated the laws of mechanical physics with certainty, and that the principle of causality was the main law of theoretical physics. Everything has a specific cause in its existence. With this view, they also looked at God and said that as a physicist, God must also be a cause in his creation. Quantum science took categories into another world.
Discussion of the Genesis of the Universe - The range of singularity and the astonishing rate of expansion of the universe after expansion, the quantum quantum nature of photons and electrons and neutrinos, which were stable elementary particles at the beginning of the manifestation of pure light. And they still maintain their stability. The dominance of photons in the material world and metamaterial waves showed that the principle of uncertainty is valid to the extent of theoretical physics. And quantum science is the hidden world of the metamaterial.
From here, philosophy can no longer be a tool for discussing physics, and its era is practically over. It is beyond the scope of theoretical physics to place a stone, a tree, a material designation whose existence is visible, next to reason, understanding, consciousness, which exist but are not accessible, and to seek its causes. For example, astronomers can not penetrate the universe with the formula of mathematics due to the existence of the universe and the scope of oneness or singularity or the Planck period.
For this purpose, the word singularity (in Arabic, oneness and in Persian, singularity) was declared a range in which mathematical equations lose their validity. Of course, singularity is a general concept in physics and mathematics. And cosmic singularity also examines the Planck range. And physics says that singularity eventually ends in singular.
Here, contrary to this view, Planck's time range is ten to the power of minus forty-three seconds, which is an obvious violation of uncertainty. Oneness are not the rulers and that is where quantum science rules. The laws of physics lose their validity in the realm of singularity.
So there is no "time" in Planck - the range of Planck and singularity. Only quantum physics speaks here. There is no place for theoretical physics and time. That is why the universe came into being out of nothing and suddenly. And it can not create itself in any way. And the builder wants. I hope I have told you and other friends the meaning of the uncertainty principle simply and concisely.

Really, my friend, you should stop trying to explain science till you understand some of it. You come through as a fool when you post nonsense like the above.

Read some science books.

... If you already did, give it up; science is obviously not your thing.

Hans

 

[heydarian saeed]

And what we find at the end of such a journey are planets that will kill you or anyone else. We don't even have to leave this planet to know most of it will kill you.

Where is 3 billion tears discussed in your magic book? Or the required conditions for life? They are not. You are lying. What has your magic book got to say about lying?

Europa, Enceladus and even Mars are candidates. We will not know for sure until those missions happen. But we do know for sure that it is possible. Where does your magic book describe Enceladus? Chapter and verse please.
Yes it does and yes it has. Any questions?

So you think space, the vacuum of space will not kill you if you have enough faith. Good luck with that.

You understand none of this. If you did you would not ask such stupid questions.

There is a Planck constant, a Planck time, a Planck distance, a Planck scale, actually Planck a lot of other things. There is no "Planck range"

That is a false quote from Hawking. You seem to have no problem with making crap up and flat out lying about it.


And now you are just waffling.

Hello
- My death does not matter. Do you understand? I accept with open arms. It is important for humanity to reach useful science and technology in this field. I once actually died almost 20 years ago. This is my life again. Of course, this is unlikely for you to understand. Just do not worry about my death. Think for yourself.
-Please read the following messages: 2113-2114-2172-2173-2177-2178-2182-2183-2184- 2185- 2199-2200-2202-2234-2235-2236 If you pay attention, 16 messages entitled "Human evolution article from the perspective God in the Qur'an "I wrote to you.
-The book of Quran does not lie. But he rejects the lie. You try to be honest. And do not lie.
-There are no different terms and names in the Qur'an for space and celestial bodies. Except for the sun-moon-star-meteor and its appendages. But in the Qur'an, life is mentioned in places other than the earth. The extraterrestrials have come. The coming of the extraterrestrials has come to earth. Of course, these are secret cases. Like Area 51 USA. I am aware of all this. I will mention only one verse of the Qur'an in this regard: Sura 42 verse 29 Of course, I do not think that you understand its meaning well.
-Have you found life on Jupiter's three famous moons: Ganymede Europe and Cluster?
- Be serious man. Vacuum is not alive for existing life. Unless equipped with special equipment.
-Do you have a scientific background in theoretical and quantum physics? Or do you believe that only you understand? I do not claim to have only general information for what I am saying. no more. And no less.
-See message 2385. Refer to Turkey T channel.
-What is a "waffle"? Tell so we know.
Good luck and be healthy

 

[abaddon]

Hello
- My death does not matter. Do you understand? I accept with open arms.

OK, I don't care if you die

It is important for humanity to reach useful science and technology in this field.

Do you think your superstitious nonsense is helping?

I once actually died almost 20 years ago. This is my life again. Of course, this is unlikely for you to understand. Just do not worry about my death. Think for yourself.

Nope. You cannot assume that nobody but you has come close to death. Been there, done that. There is no god.

-Please read the following messages: 2113-2114-2172-2173-2177-2178-2182-2183-2184- 2185- 2199-2200-2202-2234-2235-2236 If you pay attention, 16 messages entitled "Human evolution article from the perspective God in the Qur'an "I wrote to you.

All of those are lies.

-The book of Quran does not lie. But he rejects the lie. You try to be honest. And do not lie.

You seem quite comfortable with lying your butt off. How come you get to lie?

-There are no different terms and names in the Qur'an for space and celestial bodies. Except for the sun-moon-star-meteor and its appendages.

They don't have appendages.

But in the Qur'an, life is mentioned in places other than the earth. The extraterrestrials have come. The coming of the extraterrestrials has come to earth. Of course, these are secret cases. Like Area 51 USA. I am aware of all this. I will mention only one verse of the Qur'an in this regard: Sura 42 verse 29 Of course, I do not think that you understand its meaning well.

Wrong. Totally wrong

-Have you found life on Jupiter's three famous moons: Ganymede Europe and Cluster?

Cluster? WTF is that? And Jupiter has 4 famous moons, not three. And none of them is called Cluster.

- Be serious man. Vacuum is not alive for existing life. Unless equipped with special equipment.

So you agree. Most of the universe will kill us. Clearly it was not "designed" for us. What an incompetent god you have.

-Do you have a scientific background in theoretical and quantum physics? Or do you believe that only you understand? I do not claim to have only general information for what I am saying. no more. And no less.

What you are spouting is utter nonsense.

-See message 2385. Refer to Turkey T channel.

No. Why should anyone waste time on that?

-What is a "waffle"? Tell so we know.
Good luck and be healthy

Wallow in your own ignorance if you so wish. Just don't attempt to drag others down to your level.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Hi dear friend. Welcome to our discussion. Apparently you are trying to point out a scientific point. I am eager to tell you the source of your knowledge so that I can read and understand. If you are careful, I said that the final evolution of a single eukaryotic cell is to reach the genome. We are not talking about the final evolution of life and man. The living structure of the living eukaryote was completed with the genome. But matter was lifeless. How and by what mechanism did this inanimate substance come to life? And found life? If you can answer this very important question, biologists and life scientists will be very grateful to you. And humanity will be proud of you. And the scientific source of my talk Please read the following messages: 2113-2114-2172-2173-2177-2178-2182-2183-2184- 2185- 2199-2200-2202-2234-2235-2236 If you pay attention, 16 messages entitled "Human evolution article from the perspective God in the Qur'an "I wrote to All friends of this group. It goes without saying that the names of famous biologists and geologists and related sites are mentioned in this article.
Thanks

The scientific sources for my knowledge?
Hmmm start with Biochemistry 9th edition (though I used 4th at the time)
Then go to Molecular Biology of the Cell.
Once you've mastered that, buy Genetics: A conceptual approach.
That will lay a foundation.
Once you have that you can specialize, mine was in eukaryotic genetics, mainly yeast.
Get your Masters in that, then get a PhD in the subject by which time PubMed will be your source.

Let me know once you're done in 6-8 years time. By then you should be able to converse about genetics.

 

[IanS]

Greetings and devotion to you
In physics we have two separate spectrums: theoretical physics and quantum physics. This story of uncertainty goes back to the era of electron discovery. They did not deal with an accurate detector at that time to detect electrons. They used X-rays. They had just discovered the electron and wanted to know where the electron was?
Each time they took a picture of a hydrogen atom with one electron, the pictures were different. So they discovered the principle of irregularity in the electron circuit. And they said that we can not say with certainty where the electron is? They did not know that electrons have the properties of waves and particles together. Heisenberg was not only a prominent physicist but also a philosopher. And at that time philosophy was interfering in the shortcomings of the natural sciences, and the uncertainty was accepted by the general public of physicists.
Until Professor Bohr discovered the electron circuit model in atoms with more than a few electrons. All topics arose within the framework of probability and theoretical physics. Based on theoretical physics, you can calculate the exact location of the rock you throw with mathematical formulas. That is why missiles were built. And man landed on the moon exactly according to mathematical calculations.
Einstein calculated the speed of light and argued that nothing in the material world could move faster than light, that is, they stated the laws of mechanical physics with certainty, and that the principle of causality was the main law of theoretical physics. Everything has a specific cause in its existence. With this view, they also looked at God and said that as a physicist, God must also be a cause in his creation. Quantum science took categories into another world.
Discussion of the Genesis of the Universe - The range of singularity and the astonishing rate of expansion of the universe after expansion, the quantum quantum nature of photons and electrons and neutrinos, which were stable elementary particles at the beginning of the manifestation of pure light. And they still maintain their stability. The dominance of photons in the material world and metamaterial waves showed that the principle of uncertainty is valid to the extent of theoretical physics. And quantum science is the hidden world of the metamaterial.
From here, philosophy can no longer be a tool for discussing physics, and its era is practically over. It is beyond the scope of theoretical physics to place a stone, a tree, a material designation whose existence is visible, next to reason, understanding, consciousness, which exist but are not accessible, and to seek its causes. For example, astronomers can not penetrate the universe with the formula of mathematics due to the existence of the universe and the scope of oneness or singularity or the Planck period.
For this purpose, the word singularity (in Arabic, oneness and in Persian, singularity) was declared a range in which mathematical equations lose their validity. Of course, singularity is a general concept in physics and mathematics. And cosmic singularity also examines the Planck range. And physics says that singularity eventually ends in singular.
Here, contrary to this view, Planck's time range is ten to the power of minus forty-three seconds, which is an obvious violation of uncertainty. Oneness are not the rulers and that is where quantum science rules. The laws of physics lose their validity in the realm of singularity.
So there is no "time" in Planck - the range of Planck and singularity. Only quantum physics speaks here. There is no place for theoretical physics and time. That is why the universe came into being out of nothing and suddenly. And it can not create itself in any way. And the builder wants. I hope I have told you and other friends the meaning of the uncertainty principle simply and concisely.

You are going to have to stop this. Your posts are becoming outrageous. What you have done above is to present yourself as an expert on science and quantum theory. But you actually have no education in this at all. Actually what you have done (for about the 100th time here!), is to copy huge sections from Islamic I'jaz propaganda websites, and paste them in here ...

... you are repeatedly using your religious Islamic websites as your source of science. But those websites are pure religious dishonest propaganda. And like a lot of other scientifically uneducated Muslims, you believe it all.

If you are going to quote science then (a) you need to get it from genuine independent science sources, such as course textbooks or better still you need to do at least a first degree in physics or chemistry. But whatever you do, DO NOT get your science beliefs from thoroughly dishonest religious propaganda websites. & then paste it all in here. And secondly (b) when you produce any copied claims about science here, you must give a proper full reference to where you got/copied those claims from.

 

[sackett]

In Muhammad's* day, Area 51 was a dreary patch of sand and salt bush, the sort of place Arabs would recognize and stay out of, if they could. It still is, of course.

But the Profit** knew that it would contain alien extraterrestrial beings, and so in the mind of Allah*** it had ALWAYS contained them! And our fellow poster heydarian reveals this true truth because he is our friend, a Parsee man from whose hat the rays of the sun are reflected in more-than-Oriental splendor!

Wait, that's Kipling. Never mind, disregard. Over & out.

* Peas n beans upon him, amen.
** Spelling? I blow my nose on your piteous Western spelling!
*** I hope I don't get smited & dragged on my face to hell for blasphemy. I probably won't.

 

[Susheel]

And our fellow poster heydarian reveals this true truth because he is our friend, a Parsee man from whose hat the rays of the sun are reflected in more-than-Oriental splendor!

Wait, that's Kipling. Never mind, disregard. Over & out.
.

Wasn't that a reference to Zarathushtra?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

This is gibberish.

Do you think biological evolution has an end goal?

Well Heydarian?

 

[aleCcowaN]

Oh my Darwin!!!

There are no different terms and names in the Qur'an for space and celestial bodies. Except for the sun-moon-star-meteor and its appendages.

You may be thinking about porn stars with meteoric careers.

 

[sackett]

Wasn't that a reference to Zarathushtra?

No, that comes from How the Rhinoceros Got His Skin, a Just So story. Way, way better reading than all the holy books in creation, especially for little children.

You may, like me, despise Kipling, hate him, revile him as the worst of British imperial racists, but he was at moments a great Indian writer.

Deep in the woods
A sambar belled,
Once, twice, and again.
And a doe leaped up and a doe leaped up,
By the pond in the wood where the wild deer sup.
This, I, scouting alone, beheld,
Once, twice, and again!

 

[heydarian saeed]

No.

To elaborate. Hell no.

I suggest you actually look into genetics and learn how it works, then come back to this drivel. Of course that will be hard, as learning genetics means reading more than 1 book.
This is the problem with all the -my holy book shows science- idiocies, the sum of the current scientific knowledge of mankind takes up enough books to fill several rooms, possibly several houses. And yet believers always assume that a work of mythologies that can fit in a single pocket somehow is a better reference.

The human genome is NOT the ultimate evolution of eukaryotes. Eukaryotes are still evolving. Evolution has no end other than the total extinction of all life when the sun bakes the earth in a billion years or so.
Not only that, the human genome is so flawed that if it were designed, the designer is an utter incompetent or a total sadist.
Which is your god?

Hello dear friend. If you pay attention, genetics is one of the biological sciences. And I have given your answer in the article on human evolution.
Reminder:Genetics has discovered the structure and functions of each molecule but has not been able to discover the command. This is the great mystery of creation. And it has not been answered yet. Life consists of two subjects, the first is the material structure of the living being and the second is the command in it to find life.
Scientists can make molecules in the laboratory, but how do they make these inanimate molecules alive? This is their knot, and this is the spirit of God who created life. Whatever We Have In Life
The earth we see is the re-creation of the original creation. Not a new creation.

 

[abaddon]

Hello dear friend. If you pay attention, genetics is one of the biological sciences. And I have given your answer in the article on human evolution.
Reminder:Genetics has discovered the structure and functions of each molecule but has not been able to discover the command. This is the great mystery of creation. And it has not been answered yet. Life consists of two subjects, the first is the material structure of the living being and the second is the command in it to find life.
Scientists can make molecules in the laboratory, but how do they make these inanimate molecules alive? This is their knot, and this is the spirit of God who created life. Whatever We Have In Life
The earth we see is the re-creation of the original creation. Not a new creation.

What a load. Do you understand that you started this thread with a claim that you could prove the supernatural in a laboratory?

What happened to that claim? Nothing, it was just a wild claim.

 

[Pixel42]

Reminder:Genetics has discovered the structure and functions of each molecule but has not been able to discover the command.

There is no command. At a certain level of complexity, chemistry becomes biology. There is no sharp divide, and no special extra ingredient that needs to be added. This has been understood for a long time. That you don't, or refuse to, understand it is nobody's problem but yours.

 

[heydarian saeed]

I'm not going to trawl through the above trying to correct all your mistakes about science. You are obviously getting your beliefs about science from the propaganda websites of Islam known as "I'jaz". Those websites and their religious preachers are not qualified to explain science, and they are just dishonestly misrepresenting science to claim that it supports their religion.
I:
No. You are wrong. I have nothing to do with religious missionaries.It is not the duty of religious missionaries to review scientific material in their religious books. Of course, if they want to do research in this field, it must be according to modern science. And their words should be with the scientific citation of the day. If not, they are superstitious. But I do not refer to religious missionaries and their sites in connection with the study of scientific materials. And I reject their words in this regard. Rather, I refer to the scientific sites of the day, such as Mosha and famous scientists. If you are not prejudiced, you will accept my words. it's up to you. But I do not think I have anything to do with this. I just recommend not to use for the purpose of humiliation. Not a good approach.
But in response to you: You are unfortunately not a realist at all. I prepare all my material in consultation with scientists in biology, geology, chemistry, biochemistry, theoretical physics, and quantum physics. And all of this is completely scientific to me. You mistakenly think that I prepare my articles from religious missionaries. No. No.


You need to stop looking at and believing dishonest religious websites like that. If you want honest education about science then you need to look instead at genuine independent non-religious websites, or better still study with some real science books or get yourself on a university science course.
I:
Exactly. I completely agree with you. And I do exactly that. All my content from your scientific sites. Not from religious sites. You do not see my Muslim like other Muslims. I have no prejudice against my religion. I only understand science. Be sure.


But just from your very first sentence - interstellar space is NOT a vacuum. There is no such thing as a true vacuum where nothing at all exists … we found out long ago from QM that a true vacuum like that is not possible (interstellar space for example is filled with all sorts of energy fields that are impossible to remove … in fact the “space” is not merely “filled with” those energy fields, the space is a actually “composed of” those fields … those fields are the space itself!).
I:
We fully accept scientific content in any field. Our discussion was not a vacuum. You are changing the subject! Our discussion was about life in the universe and whether it exists or not. You claimed it was not. But I warned you not to say for sure. And I told you something about that. Repeating it slows us down. Please refer to previous messages in this regard. Thanks


I am not goping to explain that any further for you, nor respond to any of your other claims about science, until you stop using religious websites as your source of "science".

I:
you are wrong. I do not refer to religious sites for knowledge in the Qur'an. Think realistically.