The supernatural

[Mojo]

Hi. At least 7 verses refer to evolution. I have put in my previous posts. Please see.

Which posts? Please link.

Or alternatively just say which verses it is. Shouldn’t be too difficult.

 

[Mojo]

Mojo, here are the verses Heydarian claims are about evolution

Here are the verses you quote, for people to decide if they are anything to do with Darwin theory.

2.21 Oh ye people ! Adore your guardian lord. Who created you and those who came before you, that ye might become righteous.

2.30 Behold, the lord said to the angels " "I will create a vicegerent on earth " They said "wilt thou place therein one who will make mischief and shed blood ? whilst we do celebrate thy praises and glorify your holy name."

56.61 From changing your forms and creating you (again) in (forms) that ye know not.

70.41 Substitute for them better(men) than they; and we are not to be defeated.

76.28 It is we who created them, and we have made their joints strong ; But when we will we can substitute the like of them by a complete change.

heydarian saeed, are these really the verses you mean? They don’t support your claim.

 

[steenkh]

Hello. Have you thought about how God created the universe? This question can be understood from the words of Hawking and many other scientists.

There is no credible evidence that gods, any gods, exists. This makes your question meaningless.

You started this thread claiming that you could present evidence that your god exists, but you never did.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

I have it so easy as a Sun worshipper. Hey, right there, and in the heavens. Entirely visible. Science-friendly. Feel the warmth. Creator of the solar system, sustainer of life. Other stars are welcome to their own deity. Star Trek, Star Wars and Lost In Space are faithless blasphemy, their screeenplays scandal sheets printed in the cellar of, of... godless, anti-science atheists, out of The Light.

 

[Dr.Sid]

I have it so easy as a Sun worshipper. Hey, right there, and in the heavens. Entirely visible. Science-friendly. Feel the warmth. Creator of the solar system, sustainer of life. Other stars are welcome to their own deity. Star Trek, Star Wars and Lost In Space are faithless blasphemy, their screeenplays scandal sheets printed in the cellar of, of... godless, anti-science atheists, out of The Light.

Lame. Creation is insignificant. That's not what people want from gods. They want justice. A since the world clearly isn't just, they take refuge in justice after death. Some religions even throw some form immortality as a bonus.
How can your 'sun' compete with that ?

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Lame. Creation is insignificant. That's not what people want from gods. They want justice. A since the world clearly isn't just, they take refuge in justice after death. Some religions even throw some form immortality as a bonus.
How can your 'sun' compete with that ?

Perhaps another Carrington Event is due, after all. That'd set things straight. Thanks, I'll mention it next, gee, Sunday!

 

[heydarian saeed]

There is no credible evidence that gods, any gods, exists. This makes your question meaningless.

You started this thread claiming that you could present evidence that your god exists, but you never did.

Hi. Who created the world? Did he himself come into being without a Creator? What is your evidence?

 

[Lothian]

Hi. Who created the world?

Gravity, I don't think 'who' comes into it.

Did he himself come into being without a Creator?

That doesn't fit with my claim. There is no he or she so I don't have the problem of needing a creator

What is your evidence?

Drop something.
You need to evidence it was created by a man who himself was not created. Going off your track record I won't hold my breath.

 

[heydarian saeed]

heydarian saeed, are these really the verses you mean? They don’t support your claim.

Hi. Thanks to Scorpion for leaving my post for you. Yes, exactly these verses refer to human evolution. Of course, it does not tell the details. And verse 2/30 accurately says that before the generation of Adam, there were people who even committed corruption and bloodshed. In fact, the angels remind God of this. And God answers them that I know what you do not know! So do what I told you to do ...

 

[heydarian saeed]

Lame. Creation is insignificant. That's not what people want from gods. They want justice. A since the world clearly isn't just, they take refuge in justice after death. Some religions even throw some form immortality as a bonus.
How can your 'sun' compete with that ?

Hello. good job.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Perhaps another Carrington Event is due, after all. That'd set things straight. Thanks, I'll mention it next, gee, Sunday!

Hi. We are waiting for you to introduce God's rival!

 

[heydarian saeed]

Gravity, I don't think 'who' comes into it.

That doesn't fit with my claim. There is no he or she so I don't have the problem of needing a creator
Drop something.
You need to evidence it was created by a man who himself was not created. Going off your track record I won't hold my breath.

Hi. I read your comment. And thank you for your comment. The proof of God is the whole universe that the Creator must have. Of course, this is objective evidence. And is understandable and visible. Look at the universe. Is it made on its own? No. Do you doubt this answer? Good. Give your reasons for rejecting this answer. And the other way to prove God is the rational way. I said the best option in this regard. The way of the truthful. And I mentioned the ways of Aquinas. And I also reviewed and criticized its drawbacks. Please read it in the previous posts I said if you want.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Hi. Who created the world?

Sol and his cosmic dust bunnies.

Did he it ithimself come into being without a Creator?

Sol was born of dust bunnies left by Prima Nova.

What is your evidence?

Stellar nurseries, Sol's spiffy solar system.

Going further back takes more bunny science. Not much to do with human deities at all. And yes, we finally do now have insight into Bugs' attitude, and that %&$!¿ carrot. Too bad about dissing Elmer so much.

 

[Mojo]

Hi. Thanks to Scorpion for leaving my post for you. Yes, exactly these verses refer to human evolution. Of course, it does not tell the details. And verse 2/30 accurately says that before the generation of Adam, there were people who even committed corruption and bloodshed. In fact, the angels remind God of this. And God answers them that I know what you do not know! So do what I told you to do ...

They aren’t about evolution at all. They are about creation.

 

[IanS]

Hi. We are waiting for you to introduce God's rival!

Heydarian - I remind you of what I just asked you on the previous page ; I'll repeat that post with it's question for you below -

Heydarian – in many of your recent posts you have said that God will destroy those of us who do not believe in God and who oppose & criticise your religion. But do you think God will be right to destroy us? Do you think that will be a good thing to happen? …

… because after all, you do (I suppose?) believe God knows best and that he will always do what is right and correct … so would your God make a mistake and be wrong if he destroys us? … or do say that God is right and that we deserve to be killed?

So … do you think God is doing the right thing to kill people who do not believe what you say about the Koran?

That is a very important question, isn't it! - according to you it's actually a matter of life and death for many millions of people. So what is your answer – do you say your God right … or is he making a huge mistake?

 

[Lothian]

Hi. I read your comment. And thank you for your comment. The proof of God is the whole universe that the Creator must have. Of course, this is objective evidence. .

Prove it was your God who was the creator and not,
Tse'sketco
Viracocha
Tawa
Rangi and Papa
Marduk or
The Great Green Arkleseizure.

I think you will find it your view is subjective and your theory has no more support that those alternatives above.

 

[steenkh]

Hi. Who created the world? Did he himself come into being without a Creator? What is your evidence?

Why should anybody have created the world? What is your evidence that somebody did?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Who created the thing that created the world?

"Oh but that's different."

Why? What is that different?

"Well you see I have all these special pleadings..."

 

[heydarian saeed]

Hello to all. Do you agree that the universe is all matter? Good. I think this is your only belief that the universe is made up of only matter? is it right? Good. What are the properties of matter? Can it make itself according to the properties of the material you accept? By what mechanism? How? Tell me to understand.
Of course, I also agree that the universe is made of matter. But I believe that in addition to matter, there are other things in the universe that are not matter. The simplest thing that you all understand is that: Science and knowledge exist in the universe but are not of the material kind. Do you understand that science and knowledge are not material. I have already proved it for all of you. Both through medical science and the opinion of medical scientists and through logic and rational way. See my posts in the article Proof of the supernatural in this group. You could not get any answers or problems. I repeat, science and knowledge are not matter. And I have already proved it through medical science and through logic and rational philosophy. Anyone who has a problem can tell me so I can answer it. I'm ready.
I also understand the science you are talking about. And I believe in whatever science you say. And I have no objection. In addition, I believe in logic, philosophy, and reason. Unfortunately, you do not believe in logic, reason and philosophy. This is not a good approach. Think better. It is unfortunate that you do not accept rational logic and philosophy with all this scientific and technological progress that makes us proud !! I'm sorry. You are biased. Put it aside. To make the world beautiful.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Hello to all. Do you agree that the universe is all matter? Good. I think this is your only belief that the universe is made up of only matter? is it right? Good.

No. This may be a translation error but it's a big one. The universe is also full of forms of energy which are not matter.