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heydarian saeed said:
Hello. Exactly. Only in the prophetic region of Noah came water from the earth and the sky and a sea was created and only Noah's ark was saved. This has not been a global flood.
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If it was only a local flood...how did the ark end up on top of Ararat? Could you explain the mechanism of how the water rose to that height during a localised flood?
 
Chanakya said:
Oh, I didn't know that.

But, if it was just a local flood, why would an Ark be needed at all?
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Hello. Noah's prophetic area was vast. And Aba has risen so high that it covers the peaks of the mountains of the region. After 40 days and nights, water eruption and rain will stop. And after 7 days, the ship lands on the Ararat mountain range. This issue has been mentioned in authentic books except the Quran. And introduced. You do not accept history documents either ?!
 
heydarian saeed said:
Hello. Noah's prophetic area was vast. And Aba has risen so high that it covers the peaks of the mountains of the region. After 40 days and nights, water eruption and rain will stop. And after 7 days, the ship lands on the Ararat mountain range. This issue has been mentioned in authentic books except the Quran. And introduced. You do not accept history documents either ?!
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I know you are going to ignore this, but again, I ask:

If it was only a local flood...how did the ark end up on top of Ararat? Could you explain the mechanism of how the water rose to that height during a localised flood?
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IanS said:
No. the Koran does not speak of "neutron stars, dark matter, or black holes ...".

If you really think the Koran described any of those things, or even anything at all that we have discovered from science in the modern age (i.e. roughly beginning very slowly around the time of Galileo, circa 1600 onwards ... but only really producing 99% of the vital science that we know know since about 1860 with Darwin). if you really believe that sort of thing is actually in the Koran then you are monumentality deluded to the point of completely abandoning any idea of ever telling the truth about any of this (though in saying that, I should also say that a very large number of the worlds 3 billion Christians apparently have the same thoroughly dishonest beliefs about the contents of their holy book the bible).

If either the Koran or the bible had truly described any of those things, then it would be headline news all day every day on every TV & radio station and in every newspaper. But of course, there never has been any credible honest report of any such thing at all, anywhere.

Why do you believe such obvious untrue & frankly childishly naive nonsense?

I can only think that it's because you are so completely obsessed with the belief that the books are so holy that they cannot possibly be wrong …

… but the books were neither written by, or dictated by any God … there is zero evidence for that! The books were most definitely written by ordinary mortal men in an age of almost total educational ignorance. All the actual books that you could hold in your hand, i.e. all those books or scraps of paper that actually exist, were clearly written by men … there is no book, page, or even one single word ever written (or spoken) that could be shown to have even 0.00000000000001% vague possibility of any God producing it.
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Hello dear professor. With respect;
This is your opinion about the Quran. I remind you that the Qur'an speaks of a world that is real. And these scientific allusions were only for motivation. To excite you and me to seek to discover these scientific facts. He did not give details in most cases. Until we discover it. This is a new management idea. We have no claims. The Qur'an itself tells the truth. You think I'm prejudiced. No, it is not. I told my friends that Darwin's theory was also mentioned in the Qur'an...
 
Cosmic Yak said:
In the National Museum of Iran, in Tehran, there is a display with a timeline of the history of humanity.
There's a break, for the flood: all of history stops, from Mesopotamia to China, and then somehow restarts again a couple of years later. :jaw-dropp
No explanation is given as to how the Chinese, for example, continued building their civilisation with no actual Chinese people still in existence. Ditto Egypt and Sumeria.

So, yes, it is entirely possible heydarian has swallowed this nonsense, if that's what they're teaching as real history.
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Iran's clerics teach that the flood was global, not local.
 
heydarian saeed said:
Hello. Noah's prophetic area was vast. And Aba has risen so high that it covers the peaks of the mountains of the region. After 40 days and nights, water eruption and rain will stop. And after 7 days, the ship lands on the Ararat mountain range. This issue has been mentioned in authentic books except the Quran. And introduced. You do not accept history documents either ?!
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Historians (and indeed geologists) agree that localised flooding occurred many times in human history. It still does. Memories of such incidents entered folklore, and stories such as that of Noah's Ark were almost certainly based on them. However the flood story in the Bible and the Qu'ran, which you have summarised here, is simply impossible. It could not have actually happened. It's just a story.
 
... I followed the Qur'an according to the opinion of my dear associations, especially the respected Pixel. I have seen 5 verses about Darwin's theory in the Qur'an so far. Two verses refer to the natural selection of Darwin's theory before the creation of the human race. And the three verses refer to the extinction of the current generation of Adam and the creation of the next generation, which is more complete and better than the current generation. This is true and it is said in the Qur'an. Do you still think we are prejudiced? Or does the Qur'an say superstition? No. Please reconsider your thoughts. Darwin's theory is not rejected by the Qur'an. I only objected that human dignity and dignity were not taken into account in this theory.
And in the opinion of the respected pixel; I wish we were not made of the original animal. Well, the Qur'an has answered this question for us. Note: The current generation is different from the previous generation. And it has been said many times that I chose the human race from previous generations. And I separated. And I taught him and made him superior to other creatures. Did you pay attention? That is, there is Darwin's theory, but as the generations have evolved, I have separated this generation of human beings and given them honor and superiority.
What do you want better than this? ...
 
... I declare here that; I am looking for commonalities between Islam and infidelity. I want to explore these commonalities. Like Darwin's theory which is common to Islam and the Qur'an. And it should be specified if there are common points. And I hope that with this approach, we will achieve balance and interaction.
Instead of always criticizing each other, please say the positive points. Be positive. Not a negative trend.
Do you see what is happening in the world? How long and to what extent do we want to express the devil ?! Yes, Satan has sworn enmity with man. And as long as the world and man exist, he will not give up enmity with man. Don't we have to be more vigilant? And solve problems together in a friendly way and have a beautiful world. How long do we want to witness war and killing?
My words are not just with you. To all human beings with any belief and school. To all ... to Muslims - Christians - Jews - Materialists - infidels - pagans and all human beings. Do we not share in being human? Isn't this common point enough for us to be friendly together? I think of this ideal goal. And I'm optimistic that it will come true.
 
heydarian saeed said:
My words are not just with you. To all human beings with any belief and school. To all ... to Muslims - Christians - Jews - Materialists - infidels - pagans and all human beings. Do we not share in being human? Isn't this common point enough for us to be friendly together? I think of this ideal goal. And I'm optimistic that it will come true.
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The Quran says: ' Take not the Jews and Christians as friends, they are but friends to one another.' Surah 5.51
 
Scorpion said:
Please give the verse number in the Quran that you claim mentions Darwin's theory.
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with pleasure. Please refer to the following 5 verses. I recommend reading the true meaning of the verse. 2:21 and 2:30 refer to Darwin's theory from the time of the first animal to the human race. That is, before the human race, there were human beings, and over time, it has reached the human race.
Three verses 56:61 - 70: 41- 76:28 refer to Darwin's theory and the extinction of the human race and the creation of a new generation as a more complete and better generation.
 
Scorpion said:
The Quran says: ' Take not the Jews and Christians as friends, they are but friends to one another.' Surah 5.51
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First, time now differs from 14 centuries ago in terms of the current situation. Secondly, there is no problem if it is to interact and eliminate hostilities and wars, and both sides agree on this positive approach.
This is positive thinking and correct planning.
Please be realistic and positive.
This advice of the Qur'an that you quoted from the surah and verse was because Christianity and Judaism in the time of Muhammad were plotting enmity against Islam and the Qur'an and Muslims. The Qur'an is also realistic. And he advises you not to be friends with them because of their enmity. And this advice is absolutely correct. Even now, if any group has an enemy plan and strikes, we Muslims must stand against it and resist. And we have no friends.
I am optimistic and positive. But know that if we feel hostility and a treacherous plan, we will face it. Be sure. I advise you not to go for this negative attitude. Let us truly be friends, not enemies. do you agree?
 
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heydarian saeed said:
... I followed the Qur'an according to the opinion of my dear associations, especially the respected Pixel. I have seen 5 verses about Darwin's theory in the Qur'an so far. Two verses refer to the natural selection of Darwin's theory before the creation of the human race. And the three verses refer to the extinction of the current generation of Adam and the creation of the next generation, which is more complete and better than the current generation. This is true and it is said in the Qur'an. Do you still think we are prejudiced? Or does the Qur'an say superstition? No. Please reconsider your thoughts. Darwin's theory is not rejected by the Qur'an. I only objected that human dignity and dignity were not taken into account in this theory.
And in the opinion of the respected pixel; I wish we were not made of the original animal. Well, the Qur'an has answered this question for us. Note: The current generation is different from the previous generation. And it has been said many times that I chose the human race from previous generations. And I separated. And I taught him and made him superior to other creatures. Did you pay attention? That is, there is Darwin's theory, but as the generations have evolved, I have separated this generation of human beings and given them honor and superiority.
What do you want better than this? ...
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I want you to stop looking for information about recent scientific discoveries in a book written a thousand years before they were made, and which therefore cannot possibly contain it, and start looking for it in textbooks, which will tell you (among many other things) that no such "separation of generations" occurred.
 
Pixel42 said:
Historians (and indeed geologists) agree that localised flooding occurred many times in human history. It still does. Memories of such incidents entered folklore, and stories such as that of Noah's Ark were almost certainly based on them. However the flood story in the Bible and the Qu'ran, which you have summarised here, is simply impossible. It could not have actually happened. It's just a story.
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Hello. Why is it impossible? Please document your reasons.
 
heydarian saeed said:
with pleasure. Please refer to the following 5 verses. I recommend reading the true meaning of the verse. 2:21 and 2:30 refer to Darwin's theory from the time of the first animal to the human race. That is, before the human race, there were human beings, and over time, it has reached the human race.
Three verses 56:61 - 70: 41- 76:28 refer to Darwin's theory and the extinction of the human race and the creation of a new generation as a more complete and better generation.
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If that summation of those verses is accurate, then it's not Darwin's theory at all, but a rejection of it. The TOE is a theory of non-normative development, in which there are no goals or special exceptions for man- what you're implying is the exact opposite. You cannot, just for the sake of faith, eat your religious cake and have a scientific one too.
 
Pixel42 said:
I want you to stop looking for information about recent scientific discoveries in a book written a thousand years before they were made, and which therefore cannot possibly contain it, and start looking for it in textbooks, which will tell you (among many other things) that no such "separation of generations" occurred.
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its true. I'm sorry. The Qur'an also tells the facts. Be fair.
 
Here are the verses you quote, for people to decide if they are anything to do with Darwin theory.

2.21 Oh ye people ! Adore your guardian lord. Who created you and those who came before you, that ye might become righteous.

2.30 Behold, the lord said to the angels " "I will create a vicegerent on earth " They said "wilt thou place therein one who will make mischief and shed blood ? whilst we do celebrate thy praises and glorify your holy name."

56.61 From changing your forms and creating you (again) in (forms) that ye know not.

70.41 Substitute for them better(men) than they; and we are not to be defeated.

76.28 It is we who created them, and we have made their joints strong ; But when we will we can substitute the like of them by a complete change.
 
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