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heydarian saeed said:
The meaning of the verse; It refers to the six events of the Big Bang. After the first sky, the neutron star reached the Big Bang stage and the next sky came into being. And this process is repeated six times. As you know, the universe was created by the greatness of creation and the heavens in six periods of the Big Bang, each about 18 billion light-years away. Seven Skies is the result of six Big Bangs. Which is "mentioned" in this verse.
And now we are in heaven or the seventh period. And almost 14 billion light-years have passed since then. And almost 4 billion light years later (according to human science) the seventh Big Bang event will occur and the eighth sky, which is the world and the world of the Hereafter (Resurrection), will be created. Of course, this talk is taken from astronomical and up-to-date calculations as well as Quranic references. But no one knows the exact story. And maybe it's a hypothesis.
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I’d love to see your evidence that this is “according to human science”.

By the way, do you know what is measured in light-years?
 
Pixel42 said:
Cosmic dust contains particles of all sizes, most of which are as small, or even smaller, than those that make up smoke. It's still called cosmic dust, however, not cosmic smoke. And once again, no impartial observer would read that verse and think it was referring to cosmic dust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_dust
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This theory is already there. Please come forward to the new theory that scientists have realized that it is not dust but cosmic smoke. Thank you
 
Mojo said:
I’d love to see your evidence that this is “according to human science”.

By the way, do you know what is measured in light-years?
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Dear friend. I just mentioned the Quran in the relevant verse to respond to the post of our dear friend. This is not my specialty. And I do not know the full content. I recommend you visit the relevant sites. Thank you
 
heydarian saeed said:
And the most comprehensive answer is given by Islamic philosophy based on the Qur'an.
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None of the points I made are answered in the Qu'ran, or any "philosophy" based on it.

So I'll stick to the facts discovered by science, none of which were known to the author(s) of the Qu'ran, and the possible answers that are consistent with them.
 
heydarian saeed said:
Dear friend. I just mentioned the Quran in the relevant verse to respond to the post of our dear friend. This is not my specialty. And I do not know the full content. I recommend you visit the relevant sites. Thank you
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The Quran is not an authority on science, and even if it was it could not be used as evidence that the Quran is an authority on science (which is the aim of your argument here, remember?).

Please provide some evidence to back up your claim that science has concluded that “almost 4 billion light years later … the seventh Big Bang event will occur and the eighth sky, which is the world and the world of the Hereafter (Resurrection), will be created.”
 
heydarian saeed said:
This theory is already there. Please come forward to the new theory that scientists have realized that it is not dust but cosmic smoke. Thank you
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Once again: the fact that it contains particles as small as smoke particles does not make it cosmic smoke, no matter what some excitable journalist may have said when trying to explain the results obtained by a space probe to a lay audience. It's still called cosmic dust, because it still also contains particles larger (and indeed smaller) than smoke particles.

Trying to link the existence of cosmic dust to a verse in the Qu'ran is simply absurd.
 
Mojo said:
Please provide some evidence that scientists have realized that it is not dust but cosmic smoke.
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See the Big Bang-NASA sites, for example. He knows about both cosmic dust and cosmic smoke. Good luck.
Of course, the Qur'an does not say that cosmic smoke does not deny cosmic dust. Rather, it says in the verse in question that we created the sky from cosmic smoke (which occurred after the Big Bang). This statement does not deny cosmic dust. It only "refers" to cosmic smoke, which is a new discovery by scientists.
 
heydarian saeed said:
Dear friend. I just mentioned the Quran in the relevant verse to respond to the post of our dear friend. This is not my specialty. And I do not know the full content. I recommend you visit the relevant sites. Thank you
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So you are parroting words you do not understand. That's all we need to know.
 
heydarian saeed said:
See the Big Bang-NASA sites, for example. He knows about both cosmic dust and cosmic smoke.
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I searched for NASA pages about the Big Bang. None of the results on the first page even mentions smoke. Can you provide links to the “Big Bang-NASA” sites you mean?

And who is “he”? You do realise that NASA is not a person, don’t you?
 
heydarian saeed said:
Do not be tired dear friend. I have articles and articles about the supernatural, but you hate Islam. I do not understand the connection. Scientific information about the supernatural has been the subject of discussion in your community. you have forgotten. And no one has been able to prove it to you yet. Are you knowledgeable? Please do not go astray. What I say about the Qur'an is the same as science. And I want to prove the supernatural for you to see from the science of the Qur'an and the philosophy of existence. Are my words incomprehensible?I hope you use wisdom and science instead of taunting and ridiculing. I wish good health and success to each and every one of you dear ones.
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Taunting and ridiculing?
Clearly, you have not heard of Said Nursi, nor read the Risale-i Nur.
What you are describing as an attempt at ridiculing Islam is in fact a word-for-word quote from Nursi, who was doing exactly what you are doing: trying to convert people to Islam.
Yes, his arguments are ridiculous, but they are not my arguments: they come from a respected Muslim scholar. If the arguments in favour of Islam, from an Islamic scholar, seem like tauning and ridicule, that's not my problem.
Want another one from Nursi?
"Ships float on water. Therefore, Allah exists."
Your own arguments are just as thin.
Oh, and I would really like to know if you are reading the Quran in the original Arabic, or relying on translations.
 
Mojo said:
The explanation is in the words you quoted in that post. The point is further illustrated by your continued failure to provide evidence to back up your claims.
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Hi dear friend. Please do not keep saying that I am not successful in providing the content requested by you !!! Unfortunately, you constantly instill and dictate this in the minds of my dear friends about me. This is not a good way to exchange ideas. And it is disgusting. Let everyone express their opinions and thoughts freely. Are you against freedom of thought and speech? I'm not. And I love freedom of thought and speech. Even if he disagrees with me. The thoughts and words of others are respected. Please respect the thoughts and words of others.Please consider this reminder friendly.
Thank you very much and wish you good health.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Taunting and ridiculing?
Clearly, you have not heard of Said Nursi, nor read the Risale-i Nur.
What you are describing as an attempt at ridiculing Islam is in fact a word-for-word quote from Nursi, who was doing exactly what you are doing: trying to convert people to Islam.
Yes, his arguments are ridiculous, but they are not my arguments: they come from a respected Muslim scholar. If the arguments in favour of Islam, from an Islamic scholar, seem like tauning and ridicule, that's not my problem.
Want another one from Nursi?
"Ships float on water. Therefore, Allah exists."
Your own arguments are just as thin.
Oh, and I would really like to know if you are reading the Quran in the original Arabic, or relying on translations.
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Hello. Thank you for telling me an interesting story from Mr. Saeed Norsi. Unfortunately, I do not know them at all and their article and activities. And I do not know. I tell all my friends that; I do not follow any group or sect. And I am not supported by any organization or institution. I am only a Muslim. And free. I have no prejudice against my words if they are wrong. And I will correct it.
I do not preach for any religion or book. I just introduced myself: I am a Muslim and I love the Qur'an and I am looking for a new science in the Qur'an and I have given you examples of the Qur'an referring to new sciences. Are you free to listen to me or not? And choose or not. Free Free. Without any prejudice. Now, in the continuation of my article through philosophy, I am telling you about the supernatural. "Science and perception" is supernatural. And it is not material. Matter and nature are the tools of science, not science itself. Science is beyond matter and nature. Stay tuned for the rest of my article ...
 
Pixel42 said:
Once again: the fact that it contains particles as small as smoke particles does not make it cosmic smoke, no matter what some excitable journalist may have said when trying to explain the results obtained by a space probe to a lay audience. It's still called cosmic dust, because it still also contains particles larger (and indeed smaller) than smoke particles.

Trying to link the existence of cosmic dust to a verse in the Qu'ran is simply absurd.
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Is the gas smoke?
 
Pixel42 said:
Once again: the fact that it contains particles as small as smoke particles does not make it cosmic smoke, no matter what some excitable journalist may have said when trying to explain the results obtained by a space probe to a lay audience. It's still called cosmic dust, because it still also contains particles larger (and indeed smaller) than smoke particles.

Trying to link the existence of cosmic dust to a verse in the Qu'ran is simply absurd.
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I did the same search for "cosmic smoke" on Google. Brought many sites. And most of all, "Space" and "NASA" sites have written about this issue. I am quoting the same thing from NASA for you. look :
"Scientists at NASA have proved that the universe contains large quantities of smoke! They brought in a quantity of this cosmos dust. The laboratory studies showed that this dust is related to the early cosmos smoke. They further elaborated that the best word that can express the matter of these molecules is the word "smoke"."
 
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In Islamic philosophy, the origin of these works and the cause of life are discussed, not its works that are specific to biology (biology, life science). In other words; Merely claiming causality does not complete the explanation. An important part of the job is to provide the mechanism and how the cause works. They say: something causes nervous stimulation, pain or awareness or intentional state or ... But the question is, how does optic nerve stimulation lead to "visual perception"?Note that vision that results from eye function is different from perception of vision.
Or how does neural stimulation lead to "creative imagination"? Based on the above description; The theory that the soul is the same as the gene and epigen, or that the soul is the same as the cells of the brain and of matter, has many problems and can not be accepted.
What is the supernatural world really? And what is the soul, the angel and the jinn? Are these lies? And have people just used these things to make money? Have they deceived people and it is not true?At the beginning of the 21st century, scientists have implicitly accepted the existence and presence of parallel worlds that are not in the human observational spectrum and, with the help of mathematics, have discovered other dimensions of the world (along with the four discovered dimensions), but why the turning point of science and religion? Place) invisibly matched? Definitions of matter and antimatter, physics and metaphysics, the unseen and intuition, what place will man and jinn have in the physics and science of the human future?Why did the great masters of physics abandon everything and use advanced mathematics to serve the multidimensional world? Are parallel worlds worth the risk? What are these nested and parallel worlds that the world spends billions of dollars and euros on? Yes, God does not roll the dice? And the processing of the incomparable Creator is so complex that we have no choice but to delude ourselves! And now to examine the question of whether there is a boundary between physics and metaphysics and, in general, between matter and antimatter, let us search in the quantum world. ...
 
heydarian saeed said:
Is the gas smoke?
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No.

heydarian saeed said:
I did the same search for "cosmic smoke" on Google. Brought many sites. And most of all, "Space" and "NASA" sites have written about this issue. I am quoting the same thing from NASA for you. look :
"Scientists at NASA have proved that the universe contains large quantities of smoke! They brought in a quantity of this cosmos dust. The laboratory studies showed that this dust is related to the early cosmos smoke. They further elaborated that the best word that can express the matter of these molecules is the word "smoke"."
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That quote is actually from this site:

http://kaheel7.com/eng/index.php/picture-a-verse/494-cosmic-smoke

which is an Islamic site that is deliberately misrepresenting NASA findings

Here's an actual NASA site:

https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/missio...cecraft/cassini-orbiter/cosmic-dust-analyzer/

and this is what it actually says:

The Cosmic Dust Analyzer, or CDA, detected dust particles one-thousandth of a millimeter wide (the size of smoke particles) and sometimes as small as one-millionth of a millimeter (smaller than a virus).
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Here's another scientific site:

https://herscheltelescope.org.uk/science/infrared/dust/

The Universe is a very dusty place. Cosmic dust consists of tiny particles of solid material floating around in the space between the stars. It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke with small particles varying from collections of just a few molecules to grains of 0.1 mm in size. Dust is important because we find lots of it around young stars. In fact it helps them to form, and it is also the raw material from which planets like the Earth are formed.
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Note neither use the phrase "cosmic smoke", both continue to call it cosmic dust. The word smoke is only used to indicate the size of some of the particles which make it up.

It is clear that what your sources are doing is desperately searching the scientific literature to find something - anything - which they can somehow interpret as vindication of a verse in the Qu'ran by cynically twisting the latter's meaning, whilst ignoring the many many more scientific discoveries and Qu'ranic verses which cannot be manipulated in this way. It's dishonest and pathetic, and it will not fly here.
 
heydarian saeed said:
Hi dear friend. Please do not keep saying that I am not successful in providing the content requested by you !!! Unfortunately, you constantly instill and dictate this in the minds of my dear friends about me. This is not a good way to exchange ideas. And it is disgusting. Let everyone express their opinions and thoughts freely. Are you against freedom of thought and speech? I'm not. And I love freedom of thought and speech. Even if he disagrees with me. The thoughts and words of others are respected. Please respect the thoughts and words of others.Please consider this reminder friendly.
Thank you very much and wish you good health.
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Remember: only a few hours ago you wrote that your “point is to find out the reasons. Realize the goal. And of course in a completely logical and scientific way. Not just in the form of false claims and words without evidence.” It is reasonable to expect you to back this up by providing evidence when requested, and to point out your failures to do this.

Can you provide links to the “Big Bang-NASA sites” that you claim have “evidence that scientists have realized that it is not dust but cosmic smoke”?
 
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