The supernatural

[theprestige]

Scientists have observed and recorded the sound of pulsars.

No they have not. Sound is shockwaves in a medium. It is impossible for the sounds of a pulsar to traverse the hundreds or thousands of light years to us, to be recorded as such.

Scientists have observed and recorded the electromagnetic emissions of pulsars. And they have converted those emissions to sounds. Whatever "hammering" sound you here is entirely the choice of the people doing the conversion. They could have chosen any audio pattern. They could have chosen to represent the light pulses as a rising and falling buzz. Then you'd have to find a verse in the Quran about bees or hornets or something. Or they could have chosen to just have a ding like a doorbell at the peak of each wave. Or they could have chosen a cow's moo at the bottom of each trough. What would your Quran have to say then?

 

[Darat]

...snip... Or they could have chosen a cow's moo at the bottom of each trough. What would your Quran have to say then?

It was the moosic of the spheres!

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Hello. In the Qur'an and the religion of Islam, extravagance and extravagance are disliked and rejected. This is not the cause of the war in Islam. Rather, we have a defensive jihad in Islam. If the enemy of anyone (even the neighboring neighbor of the country, who is also a Muslim) intends to invade our land and attack, it is obligatory to defend and jihad against him. Isn't this the law and procedure in every country? If your land is invaded, will you not defend or attack?
In the Qur'an, the principle is based on peace and biological peace with all countries and nations. I will give you just one example: Surah Al-Mumtahanah. See verses 7 to 9, which say: "Allah will establish friendship between you and those with whom you have an enemy, and Allah is Able to do, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Religion has not fought you and expelled you from your religion, and does not forbid you from doing good to them and doing justice to them, for God loves the judges. Religion has fought you, driven you out of your homes, and supported you in driving you out, and whoever befriends them, they are the wrongdoers.
In the Qur'an, it says the cause of good and evil. And it tells the end of the work of the two groups. pay attention. He says that the reason for disbelief is covering the truth and not believing in the truth and denying it. The end of what they have provided is torment. God does not punish anyone for no reason. Torment and fire come from our own actions. On the contrary, it is good. The good ones accept the truth and act on it, so they are rewarded and found comfort in heaven.
Nowhere does the Qur'an insult or disrespect anyone. Unfortunately, this is our misconception of the Qur'an. If you have an example to the contrary, tell me the address so that I can check and answer.
Apart from this correct Qur'anic practice, if you see any violation, it is not from the Qur'an. It is the political work of governments. I do not want to talk about government policy. Because I believe that politics is always accompanied by lies. Not quite right. Of course, politicians justify that it should be expedient and act accordingly. These conversations are very common. And I do not belong to him.
Dear friend of the association, please tell me only about the article if you have a question or article so that I can review and answer. Because these conversations are long and our main goal is a long time behind. And it takes. Thank you very much.

Why do you keep asking for quotes from the Quran when I have already provided them and you just ignored them?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I have quoted the horrible verses about eternal hellfire, and they do not seem to bother you. But I find them appalling, and can hardly understand how anyone would worship such a monster. There is actually a verse saying Allah only created jinn and humankind so that they would worship him. 51.56 That is a pathetic reason to create people.

I find myself agreeing with Scorpion... Strange days indeed.

 

[Scorpion]

The Quran says the sun goes to a resting place.




36:38

Pickthall- And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.

Yusuf Ali- And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.

Hilali-Khan- And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.

Shakir- And the sun runs on to a term appointed for it; that is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing.

Sher Ali- And the sun is moving on to its determined goal. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing God.

Khalifa- The sun sets into a specific location, according to the design of the Almighty, the Omniscient.

Arberry- And the sun -- it runs to a fixed resting-place; that is the ordaining of the All-mighty, the All-knowing.

Palmer- and the sun runs on to a place of rest for it; that is the ordinance of the mighty, the wise.

Rodwell- And the Sun hasteneth to her place of rest. This, the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing!

Sale- And the sun hasteneth to his place of rest. This [is] the disposition of the mighty, the wise [God].

Darwood- THe sun hastens on to its resting place its course is laid for it by the mighty one, the All-knowing.

Marriful- And the sun is quickly proceeding towards its resting place.



Hadith Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dhar:

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38)

 

[xterra]

It was the moosic of the spheres!

Please report to the Administrator for self-flagellation.

 

[Mojo]

So many errors to correct!

Not least “Husselin Bell Bornell”!

 

[Susheel]

OK...This is the last post on this thread as it has no longer got anything to do with the OP's original claim and is currently proselytizing.
What is written and interpreted matters very little. The Taliban uses religion to justify their actions and ultimately, that is what Islam is. In fact, more often than not, rather than condemning the actions if the Taliban...there is a predominant tendency to sift through the Quran to justify the acts.

 

[Mojo]

Hi. Thank you dear friend for quoting several different meanings of this verse. All these meanings acknowledge the last point of the verse and confirm that we expand the heavens. In the word Lamosoun, the letter L refers to the sky and gives breadth to the sky. The word and before that is turning to the same sky. And these two letters in Arabic are to explain and confirm the word breadth. The word expanse has a clear meaning. So we created the sky with our power and we will always expand it. I recommend that you enlist the help of someone who is fluent in Arabic to explain the meaning of this verse to you in full.
And the words farshana and mahdon do not mean smooth. pay attention; That is, we have expanded and how well we are expanding the earth. This does not mean that the earth is flat and does not contradict its sphericity. In this verse, he does not mention the shape of the earth at all. He only says that we have spread the earth because it is ready for my life and yours - for my and your residence and urban development - for my and your agriculture and ... and how well we are spreading the earth for you human beings ... God is right and He loves me and you and all human beings very much. But we do not understand.
Thanks

According to your argument this is a prediction that the Earth is expanding.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

My guess is that the first one will be the Pulsar claim.
Any other contenders?

...5. Pulses (pulsating stars)

OK, it wasn't the first claim, but I could still see it shambling over the horizon.
Heydarian: surely you must realise that all this has been looked at before, many, many times? It is yet another attempt at retro-fitting, as many here have pointed out to you: it wasn't true then, it's not true now, and it never will be true.

 

[Norman Alexander]

For our OP, here is a video of a rotating lighthouse light. This is what pulsars do as well, but with radio waves. No "striking", no "penetrating", just regular blinking. Most importantly, it matches no description from the Qu'ran



This level of science is simple enough for a child in junior school to understand. For a person who claims to be a scholar of many years who does not understand, it does not say much for their level of education that they do not understand. To claim that the Qu'ran predicted this shows how little is understood.

The only alternative, which has been proven countless times by his other posts, is that the OP is trying desperately to force-fit specially picked Qu'ran verses to his poor understanding of modern science. Plenty of posters here know more about both those subjects than he does. It is an embarrassment that he is persisting. It does no service to his knowledge of science, and even less service to his theological study of the Qu'ran. He should really stop now, before it becomes even worse.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Moreover, this is not heydarian's own research: this is bog-standard Muslim proselytising, which I've seen before many times.
It is always faintly amusing to me that these zealots arrive here from time to time, apparently believing that none of us have ever heard these arguments before, and that we will somehow be dazzled into becoming True Believers by their brilliance.

 

[gypsyjackson]

My query was to Warp 12. I am not responding to your thinly veiled proselytising in the name of scientific enquiry. In fact you are doing nothing that people like Zakir Naik haven't already done...and failed miserably. Except ofcourse in the eyes of the TrueBeliever (tm)

Zakir Naik is inordinately popular here, especially given he doesn’t even speak the language. He’s been given residency, apparently, despite not meeting any of the criteria to do so, and pre-Covid was making a lot of money from his preaching. He’s so popular that neither side of the political debate is prepared to talk about extradition to India.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I'd never heard of Zakir Naik before so I've looked him up.

Wow, what a scumbag.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Hi
I did some research in the lab to prove the supernatural

Hello. We can not observe the supernatural in the laboratory, but the evidence and its effects can be seen and seen.

Also, to find out through material testing in the laboratory, I tell you that the existence of transmaterial can be realized and seen.

I did not test anything in the laboratory. And basically I do not have the laboratory facilities that you think.

Just wanted to summarise this little series of claims.
heydarian: You first claimed to have done laboratory research to prove the existence of the supernatural.
Then you said the supernatural cannot be observed in a lab.
Then you said it can.
Then you said that, not only had you not actually done any lab testing, you don't even have a lab you could do the tests in.

Did you think your arguments through at all before you started posting?

Moreover, you don't really mean 'the supernatural' in the common sense of the word, which would be ghosts, magic, telepathy &c. What you actually mean is god, and not just any god, but your particular, special god that's really real, not the silly made-up gods that other people have.

Even if some of what you are saying is true, does this mean you claim to have come up with a laboratory test to prove the existence of Allah?
I envisage some sort of litmus test. Go through all the grovelling that so many deities seem to require, then wave the paper around and see what colour it goes. Green (the colour of Islam) for Allah, orange for Buddha, red (for blood) for Jesus, and a great shower of multicoloured sparks and flashy things for the Hindu pantheon. Is that what you did?
Seriously, how do you isolate and test for Allah?

If not, was all this talk of research and labs just a smokescreen for your fundamentalist religious proselytising? Thus far, you have failed to present any original research: everything so far is copy-and-paste from other sources: do you have anything original to add?
By the way, if you are Iranian, then can I ask if you are able to read the Quran in the original Arabic? You place great reliance on certain translations and meanings of key Arabic words and phrases, so it's kind of important.

Finally: evidence of the 'transmaterial', please.

 

[Mojo]

I think what he means might be, “I read the Quran in a laboratory, therefore it is science.”

 

[Pixel42]

I suspect he believes that, if the meanings of a few verses can be twisted so that they appear to predict recent scientific discoveries, that counts as scientific proof that the book was divinely inspired, and hence of God. It's a nonsensical argument, but it gets a few more points for effort than most nonsensical arguments.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I think what he means might be, “I read the Quran in a laboratory, therefore it is science.”

Guess it fills the time when there's no tables to bus in the laboratory cafeteria...

 

[Cosmic Yak]

I suspect he believes that, if the meanings of a few verses can be twisted so that they appear to predict recent scientific discoveries, that counts as scientific proof that the book was divinely inspired, and hence of God. It's a nonsensical argument, but it gets a few more points for effort than most nonsensical arguments.

Maybe, but not for heydarian: these are not the results of their research, nor are they in any way original. Perhaps heydarian can tell us where these arguments came from.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Guess it fills the time when there's no tables to bus in the laboratory cafeteria...

That might explain the rather puzzling inability of heydarian to use the quote function, or attach a document.