The stupid explodes: obesity now a disability

Jono said:
Of course, 'cause how would you then be able to yell "get out of the couch you disgusting fatso" with good conscience? :rolleyes:
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The Atheist said:
The number and size of the strawmen you're posting in this thread makes me think you may have some personal agenda going on.

I struggle to think of any other reason you'd bother.
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The Atheist said:
What really ticks me off about this entire argument is the fat-apologists who think they're countering fat-shaming, while actually giving an excuse for tubbies to stay tubby.

This is an excellent example.



What is that but a get out of jail free card for fatties? "All but impossible"

Go ahead, eat up.
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:rolleyes:
 
lonepinealex said:
There's been a lot of classism in the UK reporting of this. Most notably the old buffer who was on the Today programme yesterday, ranting about how outrageous it is that people who've chosen to be obese should be called disabled. Unlike the worthy disabled* like his posh friend who fell off a horse and is permanently tetraplegic. Because naturally his friend was forced to get on a horse, no choice in the matter.
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Becoming tetraplegic isn't an inevitable consequence of riding a horse. Becoming obese is an inevitable consequence of long term over-eating. Not even remotely comparable.
 
bit_pattern said:
It's also demonstrably counterproductive and pointless, serving only to make the shamer feel morally superior to the shamee.
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That's the beauty of it. No matter who benefits, everyone in the equation is fat. It's just that one person is fatter than the other.

If shaming someone even fatter than me is going to keep me from getting fatter, how is that not beneficial?

If all that seems callous, we can work on more of a corporate, less ham-handed way to deliver the knife. Say I'm clocking in at 300lbs and talking to someone who is pushing 400. I can ask them, "Hey, I've been thinking of putting on a bit more weight, what do you think?"

Subtle. Artful.
 
bit_pattern said:
It would only be "beneficial" to a sociopath.
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I am not prepared to accept that fat people are sociopaths without any evidence, but the concept is intriguing. Is it related to some desire to kill oneself through overeating? Or being so selfish that they can't bear to share food with others?

I would like to know what psychiatrists have to say about obesity as a mental illness. Interesting point.
 
Belgian thought said:
Fat people
Die earlier
Thin don't

Be thinner
Your choice
Fatty
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Bingo.

Porpoise of Life said:
What it is is a conclusion based on a huge amount of data. Over the course of a decade, the vast majority of the obese people in this study have been unable to significantly lower their BMI. It isn't a get out of jail free card, it's an indication that current tactics for long term weight loss are not effective.
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Then surely we should be looking for new strategies rather than throwing our hands in the air saying "Oh, it's inevitable."

It's not inevitable at all. I'll agree current strategies aren't working, but the fact remains that if people eat less, they will lose weight.

Suggest a new one!

Should we treat all obese people with a form of CBT? That might even work - the problem is 99% mental.
 
I find it difficult to believe that after one or two generations there are suddenly mass metabolic issues which stop millions of people from not being obese. And it can't be helped.

30-40 years ago most people were normal. Were we attacked by aliens?
 
cullennz said:
I find it difficult to believe that after one or two generations there are suddenly mass metabolic issues which stop millions of people from not being obese. And it can't be helped.

30-40 years ago most people were normal. Were we attacked by aliens?
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I do believe Blutoski has answered this question in great depth, it would pay to go back over the thread and read his posts.
 
bit_pattern said:
Life must be so simple out there in Flatland :rolleyes:
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What a crock.

We're a long way into the thread, and several facts remain right from the start:

Carbs in less carbs used = weight gain, loss or stability.

People do not need to eat more carbs than they need.

Their problem is psychological. If they could cut down on food, they wouldn't be obese.

I have no idea what you think will be achieved by normalising obesity. Maybe all the fatties will feel better that it's not their fault as their knees and hips get replaced after the extra wear and tear. Maybe they'll wish they thought about using smaller plates.

Personally, I don't give a flying what size people are. If they want to be enormous, more power to them.

Just don't expect me to pay for it.

cullennz said:
I find it difficult to believe that after one or two generations there are suddenly mass metabolic issues which stop millions of people from not being obese. And it can't be helped.

30-40 years ago most people were normal. Were we attacked by aliens?
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Short answer is people ate differently back then.

More carbs have allowed the metabolically slow - a handy evolutionary trait, for obvious reasons - to get obese. That's why Pasifika people are all the size of a small house. We dump our crappy, fat-loaded meat offcuts on them and their bodies are designed to survive on 3 coconuts and 600 calories a day. What do you think will happen? Hello diabetes!

If you want a good laugh, get hold of go stream an early 1970s TV program. Everyone is pencil-slim, and that was 40 lousy years ago.

No matter, with Gerry Brownlee on the team, your boys won't be taxing anything sweet in a hurry!
 
The Atheist said:
What a crock.

We're a long way into the thread, and several facts remain right from the start:

Carbs in less carbs used = weight gain, loss or stability.

People do not need to eat more carbs than they need.

Their problem is psychological. If they could cut down on food, they wouldn't be obese.

I have no idea what you think will be achieved by normalising obesity. Maybe all the fatties will feel better that it's not their fault as their knees and hips get replaced after the extra wear and tear. Maybe they'll wish they thought about using smaller plates.

Personally, I don't give a flying what size people are. If they want to be enormous, more power to them.

Just don't expect me to pay for it.



Short answer is people ate differently back then.

More carbs have allowed the metabolically slow - a handy evolutionary trait, for obvious reasons - to get obese. That's why Pasifika people are all the size of a small house. We dump our crappy, fat-loaded meat offcuts on them and their bodies are designed to survive on 3 coconuts and 600 calories a day. What do you think will happen? Hello diabetes!

If you want a good laugh, get hold of go stream an early 1970s TV program. Everyone is pencil-slim, and that was 40 lousy years ago.

No matter, with Gerry Brownlee on the team, your boys won't be taxing anything sweet in a hurry!
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That is because a sugar tax is utterly stupid.

Fizzy drink is already a loss leader in supermarkets


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The only way I see it is to limit portion size. Draconian but dump two litre bottles and 1.5s. With a tax on that the volume verse cost May have a slight affect
 
cullennz said:
The only way I see it is to limit portion size. Draconian but dump two litre bottles and 1.5s. With a tax on that the volume verse cost May have a slight affect
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I support taxing junk food and using the revenue to subsidise fresh food for low income households.
 
Problem is the numbers would be way too small for the supermarkets to pass it on.
 
The core problem:
Food has become abundant!


It is only in the "very last years" of human history, that it is no longer normal for the majority of people to live their lives balancing on the brink of starvation (while fighting off infections and parasites).
And hard physical work is not the norm either anymore.

The best possible survival strategy in that situation, is to store any surplus food for later, and fat is the best way to store energy in the body.

If you eat more than you use, you will grow fat by default.
(Why this is such an enigma baffles me tremendously!)
 
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Someone with a better brain than me will probably pull this to bits but this is how it works completely hypothetically.

A supermarket buys 10 pellets of coke for say 100 dollars.

They are paying maybe a dollar a bottle

They sell it as a loss leader for 90 cents.

Govt says 10% tax. Supermarket says who cares it is only one cent
 
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