The Skeleton Key to Mystical Interpretation

Zanders said:
And Limbo, no offense but your recent posts seem a bit egotistical. Something that I wouldn't expect from somebody of your beleifs.
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None taken, and sorry for being egotistical. Ego-inflation has always been a very serious challenge for people undergoing the individuation process. Thats no excuse, and I will try to work on cultivating humility.

You were asking about the Prophet Muhammad, and whether he would approve of a mystical interpretation of the Koran? I believe he did and would understand the truth of universal esoteric interpretation. But he would probably prefer that it be reserved for mystics, as secret "occult" knowledge. But I feel that its time for humanity to go beyond the exoteric, into the esoteric. I think its time for all of humanity to become initiated in the mysteries. In my opinion we can all handle the esoteric; we can all be our own mystic. But, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we can't all handle it and in that case we would need an exoteric layer for non-mystics. Which would mean we are stuck with two layers of interpretation.
 
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D'rok said:
No. You are avoiding the question. You have nothing that shows why your version of reality is true and mine is false. You are simply staking ground and claiming victory. Your perspective is not superior merely because you have it and have invested much effort into it. Your perspective would be superior if it was more in accord with the actual state of affairs of the universe than mine is.

You have given nothing but your personal insistence that shows this is the case.

And now we're back to petty bickering and condescension. Great. When you can "grok" yourself some tangible results (like a computer or a telecommunications network) out of the ass where you keep your woo, then you will have something to wave in my face.

Until then, reality wins.
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Sorry for the petty bickering and condescension, D'rok. I guess I'll have to be even more choosy about the people I talk to around here, and just talk to people who don't make me too angry. We tried, but alas its not meant to be.

I think I'll try limiting it to one person per thread o' mine, and in this thread its Zanders.
 
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Limbo said:
Sorry for the petty bickering and condescension, D'rok. I guess I'll have to be even more choosy about the people I talk to around here, and just talk to people who don't make me too angry. We tried, but alas its not meant to be.

I think I'll try limiting it to one person per thread o' mine, and in this thread its Zanders.
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Spiritual enlightenment makes you enraged by random strangers on the internet. Not much of an advert for it, is it?
 
The nice thing about being on someone's ignore list is that you can insult them all you want without fear of hurting their feelings. This is a enormous boon to sensitive (albeit snarky) souls such as myself.
 
Limbo said:
None taken, and sorry for being egotistical. Ego-inflation has always been a very serious challenge for people undergoing the individuation process. Thats no excuse, and I will try to work on cultivating humility.

You were asking about the Prophet Muhammad, and whether he would approve of a mystical interpretation of the Koran? I believe he did and would understand the truth of universal esoteric interpretation. But he would probably prefer that it be reserved for mystics, as secret "occult" knowledge. But I feel that its time for humanity to go beyond the exoteric, into the esoteric. I think its time for all of humanity to become initiated in the mysteries. In my opinion we can all handle the esoteric; we can all be our own mystic. But, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we can't all handle it and in that case we would need an exoteric layer for non-mystics. Which would mean we are stuck with two layers of interpretation.
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Interesting. I have heard that the exoteric is sort of a simple guideline for humanity so that the people that can't understand the deeper mysteries and mysticism will be put on right track of basic morality and putting God first.

But, why did Muhammad not live by the standards that the Sufis do when it comes to sexual morality and violence? I guess he didn't have to be perfect, but for somebody that was the vessel for this deep esoteric work, he wasn't very enlightened.
 
Zanders said:
Interesting. I have heard that the exoteric is sort of a simple guideline for humanity so that the people that can't understand the deeper mysteries and mysticism will be put on right track of basic morality and putting God first.
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What mysteries? What God?

But, why did Muhammad not live by the standards that the Sufis do when it comes to sexual morality and violence?
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Beause he didn't want to, and he was the boss at the time?

I guess he didn't have to be perfect, but for somebody that was the vessel for this deep esoteric work, he wasn't very enlightened.
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What deep esoteric work?
 
PixyMisa said:
What mysteries? What God?


Beause he didn't want to, and he was the boss at the time?


What deep esoteric work?
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Limbo believes that there is deep esoteric symbolism and a mystical meaning hidden within the Quran, and other holy books.
 
I still don't think the question has been answered about what this is going to save my soul from.

Ward
 
Of course, there is no evidence whatsoever for reincarnation, much less any cleansing process, so it remains unclear how wardenclyffe's nonexistent soul would benefit.
 
Limbo said:
None taken, and sorry for being egotistical. Ego-inflation has always been a very serious challenge for people undergoing the individuation process. Thats no excuse, and I will try to work on cultivating humility.

You were asking about the Prophet Muhammad, and whether he would approve of a mystical interpretation of the Koran? I believe he did and would understand the truth of universal esoteric interpretation. But he would probably prefer that it be reserved for mystics, as secret "occult" knowledge.
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Any evidence that he would agree with this?

The Quran often stresses the fact that it speaks plainly and bluntly. That is, by definition, the opposite of "mystic" or "occult".
 
Robin said:
Any evidence that he would agree with this?

The Quran often stresses the fact that it speaks plainly and bluntly. That is, by definition, the opposite of "mystic" or "occult".
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I think that mystics and occultists need to do a little more biographical and historic research of the people they include in their theories and speculation. Much of their actual historic information contradicts what the mystics claim about them, but they seem to value myth and speculations more and often overlook actual biographical information.

Before speculating, it is best to have all of the real and confirmed information so that you don't make any mistakes.
 
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Robin said:
The Quran often stresses the fact that it speaks plainly and bluntly. That is, by definition, the opposite of "mystic" or "occult".
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Which suggests to me that he was keenly aware of the esoteic/exoteric divide and he wanted his people to have a clear and strong exoteric layer. That is not to say that he did not understand and accept the validity of the esoteric. He could have simply thought it was too dangerous for uninitiated people to know. I could understand such rational. It IS dangerous.

But times change, and religion changes too. Humanity now has a wealth of tools that makes the esoteric accessible and understandable. We are in a position to benefit from wide perspectives that weren't available until modern times. We can expand the esoteric and shrink the exoteric in ways that the ancients could not, and the result would be a decrease in religious fundamentalism and an increase in tolerance.
 
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