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Cont: The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VI

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Vixen said:
Turku Coastguard* and Helsinki via Finland Radio were unable to get through to Stockholm until 1:54. Stockholm put rescue into action at 02:02 EET as per their logs.

*It couldn't even get through to Aland until the ship had completely vanished beneath the waves.

Location coordinates not known until 01:44.

So Here_to_learn is saying Carl Bildt was paged by a news agency. Question: who informed the news agency?
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Read the quote again. It doesn't actually say who informed Bildt or at what time.
 
Vixen said:
If it was a Swedish submarine that collided with the ship, as former State Prosecutor for Estonia, Margus Kurm, believes, then that tells you (a) the escort would have been arranged and known pf in advance and (b) the collision would be relayed to the defence forces pronto, and (c) the first to know would not be the coastguard, or the TT News Agency but... Commander Svensson who would surely have imparted the news pronto to who he reports to.
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The submarine that jumped out of the water and holed the Estonia above the waterline then vanished without a trace?!
 
zooterkin said:
Read the quote again. It doesn't actually say who informed Bildt or at what time.
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I think here to learns translation says that...

"At 01.31 the pagers of several of the party participants start ringing. Lars Christiansson and Per Zetterquist, the press manager and press secretary of the Cabinet Committee, among others, are reached in this way by the first TT telegram that Estonia is feared to have sunk."

I mean indirectly. Someone there got a "telegram" (like a flash communication?) from TT news.
 
Mojo said:
Vixen said:
Bildt saying it was the bow visor was in all the papers the very same afternoon as the accident.
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Sources and direct quotations, with context, please.
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Vixen said:
This is a Finnish paper that normally has a print run before the early hours so 29.8.1994 was the first day it reported on the disaster:

Against the gate theory of Sillaste, water could have come out of the ramps," Lehtola points out. Henrik Sillaste, the ship's Estonian engineer, said on Wednesday that the bow gate of the ferry was not completely closed and before the accident water flowed from the bow gate onto the car deck. Sillaste said he saw this on a surveillance camera monitor in engineering.
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Sources and direct quotations, with context, to support your claim that "Bildt saying it was the bow visor was in all the papers the very same afternoon as the accident", please.
 
zooterkin said:
It's on film. https://youtu.be/9qtytifeAp8
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The point being that a large number of people in North American knew of the WTC incident via ordinary news outlets a full 15 minutes before the President of the United States. This casts doubt on the insinuation that a world leader will always know of a dire incident before the news media, and always via internal government sources.
 
Vixen said:
Turku Coastguard* and Helsinki via Finland Radio were unable to get through to Stockholm until 1:54. Stockholm put rescue into action at 02:02 EET as per their logs.

*It couldn't even get through to Aland until the ship had completely vanished beneath the waves.

Location coordinates not known until 01:44.

So Here_to_learn is saying Carl Bildt was paged by a news agency. Question: who informed the news agency?
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Not something I can find. However, how would this feed into a CT? What possible reason would there be for the CIA, Swedish intelligence, or whoever to inform a news agency of the sinking instead of letting them find out on their own?
 
Mojo said:
Sources and direct quotations, with context, to support your claim that "Bildt saying it was the bow visor was in all the papers the very same afternoon as the accident", please.
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Lehtola, the newly appointed chair of the JAIC was reporting from the same press conference as Bildt and the Estonian PM. This took place on the late morning of 28.9.1994. It would have been in AFTONBLADET, which means...the EVENING NEWSPAPER. HS is a morning one. Aftonbladet being a tabloid doesn't have a decent library of back copies. But this was the story Bildt was keen to press on the Finns and the Estonians, using Sillaste as inspiration.
 
lobosrul5 said:
Not something I can find. However, how would this feed into a CT? What possible reason would there be for the CIA, Swedish intelligence, or whoever to inform a news agency of the sinking instead of letting them find out on their own?
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What? A poster thinks they might have all been informed by telephone, in which case how come Stockholm didn't get the Mayday? Yet Carl Bildt was informed as he was leaving his office party, as his intelligence guys were on the case.
 
Vixen said:
Even so, surely US Defence Forces must have noted a breach of its airspace. But anyway, given it was Dubya...I am sure they were able to handle it to the best of their ability.
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Vixen said:
Did you already forget that communications were down? To the extent Sweden didn't get the Mayday until nearly 01:00 Swedish time/ 02:00 EET. And that the first Swedish helicopter didn't get there until circa 2:40?

The Captain of nearby Mariella taking the desperate May Day call of Ainsalu had to turn his radio instruments up to the maximum level to even hear the snatches of it. The Mariella captain had to ring Turku Coastguard on their landline.

'Why didn't they just ring up Stockholm using a modern invention, called the 'telephone'? asks zooterkin, in all seriousness.
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The Finn and Swedish landline system was working fine.
 
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