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Cont: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine part 9

Safe-Keeper said:
Asking the putin fanboys this question will get you my all-time favourite russian cope: That they are deliberately losing in Ukraine and would beat the country in a day if they decided to.

It's even more hilarious than when they pretend russia never have a goal of taking Kyiv in three days.
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Moscow has been spouting nonsense like this since the outset of the war. I had no idea anyone was still paying attention, let alone trying to treat it like serious claims that have rational explanations.
 
theprestige said:
Moscow has been spouting nonsense like this since the outset of the war. I had no idea anyone was still paying attention, let alone trying to treat it like serious claims that have rational explanations.
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??? I saw a sarcastic remark from Helen and I followed up by calling their cope hilarious. Are these people who take the russian ramblings seriously, or try to give them rational explanations in the room with you right now?

I get the part about not paying attention, though, I got to that point with the regime in Washington and their incessant 24/7 trolling and whining a long time ago.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
??? I saw a sarcastic remark from Helen and I followed up by calling their cope hilarious. Are these people who take the russian ramblings seriously, or try to give them rational explanations in the room with you right now?

I get the part about not paying attention, though, I got to that point with the regime in Washington and their incessant 24/7 trolling and whining a long time ago.
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There's a lot happening in Ukraine right now. Important stuff on the political, economic, and military side. None of it has to do with who funded Trump's wedding, or what irrelevant nonsense Moscow's shills are spewing this week and hoping others will disseminate on their behalf for free.

But somehow that's the stuff that keeps overrunning this thread. Post something about how the war is actually progressing, get a thumbs-up, and then the thread returns to Donald Trump and Russian propaganda. If we're lucky, we get a sidebar about western small arms calibers instead.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
It's going to speed up the transition from fossil fuels, at least. One heck of a small comfort in the short term, but a silver lining nonetheless.

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Although... Here in Norway the reaction has been more 'what can the State do to keep prices from rising too much so we can keep burning fuel as if nothing was happening?', just as we did when electricity prices soared. Never mind that Norwegians are among the top countries when it comes to electricity consumption per capita, even compared with similarily cold countries (we're way higher than Sweden and Finland). Conservation? What's that?
 
Russia has awarded a medal to the commander of the Soobrazitelny corvette, which fired signal flares toward a Danish military helicopter.

The Russian Defense Ministry said the commander received the Medal “For Combat Distinction.”

On September 14, the Russian corvette fired two signal flares toward a helicopter while it was flying near Falster Island in the Baltic Sea...

According to the Russian version of events, the crew of the Soobrazitelny “prevented a provocation” by the Danish helicopter, which allegedly failed to respond to calls over international communication channels...

 
Kremlin-Favored Russian General Awarded Medal for Fake City Capture Dies in Action

Russian Maj. Gen. Anton Grunis, 46, profiled by Kremlin media as a tactically brilliant Ukraine battle winner, died in a reported Sept. 12 drone strike by Ukraine’s 427th Brigade “Rarog” near Kindrativka. He had claimed (and reported to Putin) the false capture of Kostyantynivka...

Promotional footage released by Russia’s Ministry of Defense on Aug. 28 showed a live Grunis being awarded Russia’s highest medal for bravery “Hero of the Russian Federation” for success in battle, and stating to interviewers that he was honored and confident in Russian victory in Ukraine...

www.kyivpost.com

Official Russian sources are silent about the probable demise of General Anton Grunis. An elite Ukrainian drone unit claimed the kill, but the video isn’t conclusive.

Grunis had just been awarded his country’s highest medal, Hero of Russia, on national TV for conquering a Donbas fortress city. The problem is the Ukrainian army is still there in strength.
www.kyivpost.com www.kyivpost.com
 
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Safe-Keeper said:
Although... Here in Norway the reaction has been more 'what can the State do to keep prices from rising too much so we can keep burning fuel as if nothing was happening?', just as we did when electricity prices soared. Never mind that Norwegians are among the top countries when it comes to electricity consumption per capita, even compared with similarily cold countries (we're way higher than Sweden and Finland). Conservation? What's that?
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I assume a lot of it has to do with Norway being mostly coastline, directly exposed to the Arctic waters and weather. But what does this have to do with the war in Ukraine?
 
I can't tell if this is good news or bad news:

Either way, it seems Moscow is pursuing its own "vivaldi" operation to take the town of Orikhiv in the south. And RFU seems to have decided that the best response is to call it out and insinuate it's all a clever trap by the Ukrainians.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Asking the putin fanboys this question will get you my all-time favourite russian cope: That they are deliberately losing in Ukraine and would beat the country in a day if they decided to.
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Fanboys? That's pretty much what the same Petrushev said in the same interview as that they could take Poland in 3 days. (Because, yes, more accurately he didn't say Warsaw, he said wipe the whole Poland off the map.) Literally he said they're not using their full strength in Ukraine.

Basically the anime line:
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Also, Russia's answer to Ukraine's using EW against the Kinzhal was to rip the control module out of S-400 AA missiles and lob them purely ballistically at big cities, and not care where they hit. The accuracy of those really is the size of Kyiv, and the payload is just about on par with a Shahed. For a comparison, that's barely above a third of a Tomahak's payload, less than a fifth of what a HAMMR can carry and just about a sixth of what Ukraine's own FP-5 can carry. And those are guided. But I guess that's enough to ruin the lives of a couple of families in an apartment block in Kyiv.

They actually reduced the production of the actual AA variant and moved launchers away from anything that isn't Moscow to where they can lob unguided ballistic missiles at Kyiv on a purely parabolic trajectory. Which made life a lot easier for cruise missiles and the like launched by Ukraine.

But, eh, since when did Putin care about anything other than his own head, tucked safely inside his own rear end.
 
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SpuriusMaximus said:
Also, Russia's answer to Ukraine's using EW against the Kinzhal was to rip the control module out of S-400 AA missiles and lob them purely ballistically at big cities, and not care where they hit. The accuracy of those really is the size of Kyiv, and the payload is just about on par with a Shahed. For a comparison, that's barely above a third of a Tomahak's payload, less than a fifth of what a HAMMR can carry and just about a sixth of what Ukraine's own FP-5 can carry. And those are guided. But I guess that's enough to ruin the lives of a couple of families in an apartment block in Kyiv.

They actually reduced the production of the actual AA variant and moved launchers away from anything that isn't Moscow to where they can lob unguided ballistic missiles at Kyiv on a purely parabolic trajectory. Which made life a lot easier for cruise missiles and the like launched by Ukraine.

But, eh, since when did Putin care about anything other than his own head, tucked safely inside his own rear end.
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They have invented very expensive V-1 flying bombs.
 
Andy_Ross said:
They have invented very expensive V-1 flying bombs.
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Not really, IMHO. If nothing else, the V1 was a proto-cruise missile, while this one is ballistic and it has less than a quarter of the payload of a V1.

What they invented is how to turn an expensive AA missile into a mini-V2 with less than a fifth of the V2's payload. And yeah, as you say, even more expensive. And probably less accurate, since the V2 was at least gyro-stabilized, while this one is pretty much just the equivalent of the crude rockets the Palestinians managed to build in basements and shoot at Israel. If God wills it, it might actually hit something.

Or as a more modern comparison, they managed to invent a much more expensive Scud with much less payload, and less guidance at that, and only needed to strip down their own air defences for it.
 
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<nostalgia> Remember when we were all watching Russia's immense supply of Soviet era tanks being hurriedly recommissioned, and just as quickly brewed up in Ukraine, and everyone was waiting to see what happened when the well ran dry some time in 2024 or 2025? Of course the war shifted away from waves of tanks dashing themselves against Ukraine's defences so we didn't get to find out.

But Putin has certainly squandered that vast legacy resource, from basically limitless tanks to something more like well who needs tanks anyway?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
at this point, Poland has probably more operational MBTs than Russia.
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I wouldn't underestimate Russia. Ukraine is top drone force at the moment. Russia is close second. Russia doesn't have MBTs because they proved ineffective. So I would ask how many drones does Poland have. How many jammers. What is their drone production, how many they can burn per day. Poland is open minded compared to some other European armies, but I don't think they have nearly enough.
 
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