The Russian Invasion of Ukraine Part 4

[Andy_Ross]

Here's a pretty informative and hilarious analysis about "Wunderwaffe Thinking" and Al Bundy's four touchdowns. Reminded me very much of certain regulars here who have a WWII analogy for every current event they have bad information about. By Andrei Martyanov (whose name I've heard several times but never watched a video of before).

You keep using the word "Wunderwaffe"

The point is, the weapons that NATO are sending aren't "Wunderwaffe" they are standard NATO equipment, no "Wunderwaffe" have been sent, they just look like that because the stuff the Russians have is far less capable.

 

[Childlike Empress]

You keep using the word "Wunderwaffe"

The point is, the weapons that NATO are sending aren't "Wunderwaffe" they are standard NATO equipment, no "Wunderwaffe" have been sent, they just look like that because the stuff the Russians have is far less capable.

Really?

[imgw=640]https://i.imgur.com/gbNTXYw.jpg[/imgw]

No point. Just wishful thinking. Listen to Martyanov to learn a thing or two.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Really?

[imgw=640]https://i.imgur.com/gbNTXYw.jpg[/imgw]

No point. Just wishful thinking. Listen to Martyanov to learn a thing or two.

Yes, we know what is claimed for their systems but what we are seeing isn't living up to the claims.
Where are they?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Yes, we know what is claimed for their systems but what we are seeing isn't living up to the claims.
Where are they?

Here:


We have a saying here in German which goes like "Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall", something like "Pride goes before the fall".

I hate these killing machines, whether they are Russian or American. I hate war like every sober human should do. But what you reap there is what you sowed. "Western" arrogance of the US and your island's "elites" makes these people die in the Ukraine. Because they thought there won't be, can't be, an answer to their machinations.

 

[Mike!]

It's like channel surfing and you just keep finding bad infomercials for products no one wants.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Here:


We have a saying here in German which goes like "Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall", something like "Pride goes before the fall".

I hate these killing machines, whether they are Russian or American. I hate war like every sober human should do. But what you reap there is what you sowed. "Western" arrogance of the US and your island's "elites" makes these people die in the Ukraine. Because they thought there won't be, can't be, an answer to their machinations.

So why aren't they using them to any effect in Ukraine?

 

[Mike!]

So why aren't they using them to any effect in Ukraine?

Because they only exist on paper?

 

[Lord Emsworth]

So why aren't they using them to any effect in Ukraine?

You might actually begin to suspect that the Russian Military sucks. Or that the Tornado Wunderwaffe is not all that good. Or both.

 

[Aridas]

You might actually begin to suspect that the Russian Military sucks. Or that the Tornado Wunderwaffe is not all that good. Or both.

Clearly, they've been holding back their famed hydrosonic missiles, because using those would just be unsportsmanly.

 

[Klimax]

Yes, they managed to take Lysychansk and Severodonetsk and are grinding towards Bakhmut from three directions.

It is relevant because Russia currently holds 20% of Ukraine, is able to lay waste to anywhere within artillery range and is carrying out terror attacks throughout the rest of Ukraine with longer range weapons.

How long ago were that? What grinding toward Bakhmut? How many atoms they took?

 

[Klimax]

Really?

[imgw=640]https://i.imgur.com/gbNTXYw.jpg[/imgw]

No point. Just wishful thinking. Listen to Martyanov to learn a thing or two.

Small problem. Tornado's 120km is maximum range of 9М542. Is there any evidence of any large use of it on Ukraine? All previous rockets are 90km max. HIMARS's range of 80km is wrong as M30/M31 has maximum official range of 92km. But unlike Tornado, HIMARS/M270 can use ATACMS with range of 300km.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Small problem. Tornado's 120km is maximum range of 9М542. Is there any evidence of any large use of it on Ukraine? All previous rockets are 90km max. HIMARS's range of 80km is wrong as M30/M31 has maximum official range of 92km. But unlike Tornado, HIMARS/M270 can use ATACMS with range of 300km.

Of course there is. Ample video of Tornado in action. Funny thing about the Martyanov video was how he pronounced "ATACMS". "Attack em's". That's the kind of "humour" the Yankistanis use in their weapons when they call them "Tomahawks", "Apaches" or whatever tribe they almost genocided. And the "PATRIOT Act". Laughable, but mass-murdering.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I mean, just the comparison of the optical look of the vehicles tells you everything you need to know.

 

[Klimax]

Of course there is. Ample video of Tornado in action. Funny thing about the Martyanov video was how he pronounced "ATACMS". "Attack em's". That's the kind of "humour" the Yankistanis use in their weapons when they call them "Tomahawks", "Apaches" or whatever tribe they almost genocided. And the "PATRIOT Act". Laughable, but mass-murdering.

If there is plenty of video in action, then link one. And reminder: In action in Ukraine. Not some random video of test run.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Because they only exist on paper?

Because Private Conscriptovich (h/t Perun) stole all the guidance systems of the few that have actually been produced and sold them on eBay.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I mean, just the comparison of the optical look of the vehicles tells you everything you need to know.

What does it tell you?

 

[Doubt]

Here's a pretty informative and hilarious analysis about "Wunderwaffe Thinking" and Al Bundy's four touchdowns. Reminded me very much of certain regulars here who have a WWII analogy for every current event they have bad information about. By Andrei Martyanov (whose name I've heard several times but never watched a video of before).

That man is to military affairs what Barny Fife is to law enforcement.

 

[Childlike Empress]

If there is plenty of video in action, then link one. And reminder: In action in Ukraine. Not some random video of test run.

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/15367
https://t.me/TheEternalUkrainian2/11696
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/14734

And so on and so on. Oh, you wanted it to be on your "mainstream" television, which is as controlled as in my country? Sorry then.

 

[Childlike Empress]

What does it tell you?

Crap, overpaid junk by totally corrupt private entities against effective, fine engineering by state owned companies.

 

[Doubt]

Here's a pretty informative and hilarious analysis about "Wunderwaffe Thinking" and Al Bundy's four touchdowns. Reminded me very much of certain regulars here who have a WWII analogy for every current event they have bad information about. By Andrei Martyanov (whose name I've heard several times but never watched a video of before).

https://marriedwithchildren.fandom.com/wiki/Schastlivy_vmeste_(Счастливы_вместе)

The Al Bundy analogy is very funny but not for the intended reason.

I remember seeing the Russian version of Married with Children in 2009. It was a licensed redo of the American TV show. Even recycled the scripts. I knew exactly what would happen when I watched it since I had seen the original. Curiously, my Russian friends preferred the American version because it was better than the unoriginal knock off made for Russian audiences.

Russian men often identified with Al Bundy. When I asked why I was told that "Al has a Russian soul".

The Russian weapon here has not been seen because like most of Russia's new weapons, they cannot afford to actually build them. Reliving their glory days is most definitely a Russian thing.

That link is not working very well. Here is an IMDB page for the show.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1825482/