Merged The Roy Moore Batcrap Crazy Remark Thread/Roy Moore Is Done

ponderingturtle said:
It is a total affectation, just like his trying to look all rugged by his horrible riding technique when he rode to the polls on a horse. Everyone felt bad for the horse.
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It's an affection for Moore, yes, at least last night, but not for Alabama. Cowboy hats are fairly common in much of the south, Alabama included.
 
I would love to be the fly on the wall is GOP offices today....
If the stories are true that McConell had GOP operative encourage Moore to run in the three way GOP primary on the grounds Moore could not win and would take votes away from what was seen as the main challenger to Strange, the "establishment" candidate then this was a monumental miscalculation.
It is amazing how huge an impact the Weinstein scandal has had. It started a huge snowball rolling that has gone far beyond show biz in it's impact. It has now taken down one US Senator, and probably cost the GOP a Senate seat. Harvey ,Harvey, what have you started?
 
The Don said:
Did you just not bother to read the rest of my post which detailed the specific measures which are in place which prevent the kinds of abuses of democracy that appear to be routine in (certain parts of) the US ?

These aren't things that have recently been put in place. For example the boundary commissions have been in place since the 1940's. I suppose that there could be a complete sea change and all of the independent bodies could be abolished but it would be unprecedented and it wouldn't be a normal "swinging back" of the pendulum.

Most democracies in developed countries have independent safeguards in place to prevent the kinds of electoral and procedural abuses that seem commonplace in the US from taking place. The US really is an outlier.
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I did. Do you think we had nothing in place here?
 
bonzombiekitty said:
To be fair, I believe that is how it is in (most of?) the US. If you are in line when the polls close, you still get to vote. But most states polls close by 8, not 10.
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Here in NC the individual county election boards have jurisdiction over that.

However, our rabidly ultra-conservative Republican controlled legislature is trying to change that.

It diminishes the impact of limited polling sites in areas with too many Democrats, inconvenient poll hours, mysteriously delayed ballot delivery, etc., etc..

I've never queued longer than a couple minutes too. It's absolutely shocking and unacceptable that lines in certain parts of this country get so long.
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Hours sometimes, here. Bless their hearts, they've stood for hours in the cold rain.

I think mail-in ballots for everyone is the way to go, but the GOP wouldn't stand for the increase in voter participation that might result. They believe it's already too easy for people who have to work for a living to get to the polls.
 
Armitage72 said:
Well, the "wrong people" often have a limited amount of time in which they are able to vote, due to jobs, child care, etc. Creating long lines discourages them from waiting and casting their votes.
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Which is why so many enlightened states have moved to mail-in ballots that can be sent via USPS or dropped into local ballot drop boxes at community centers and other public places.

Something that the heavily red states have actively resisted doing, claiming that it "enables voter fraud". That's their big go-to for nearly any illegal or unethical attempt at voter suppression.
 
Well, this election should finally put the nail in the coffin of "Democrats just need to understand Republicans to get them on our side".

Washington Post Alabama Senate election results.

72% of white men, and 63% of white women voted for Roy Moore, for a credibly-accused child molester and sexual predator, for a blatant racist who dreams about a return to the days of slavery and thinks slavery was beneficial for black people, for a sexist who believes that women have no business in politics and should not have been allowed suffrage. Nearly 2% of each voted for write-in Republican candidates. Turnout for white voters overall was lower than for previous elections.

By contrast, black men voted 93% for Doug Jones, and black women 98%. (6% of black men and 2% of black women voted for Moore, which is disturbing, and shows that for some, religious fanaticism trumps personal preservation.) But that fails to capture the key factor in this election, black voters turned out to vote in record numbers in this election; overcoming even the GOP's strident attempts to suppress their vote through means both merely unethical and outright illegal. Many who turned out were those who did not normally vote, having believed that doing so is fruitless and would not affect outcomes.

This is strong evidence that pandering to the right as many have suggested is emphatically not the way for Democrats to achieve victory against the increasingly fascist GOP. They simply aren't amenable to the worldview held by progressives and liberals, their rallying cry in this election being "Better a paedophile in office than a Democrat." The path to victory for Democrats is to address the concerns of their base, become more progressive, and work hard to mobilize those who have lost faith in the process, particularly among black and female voters.

There is a profound lesson to be learned here; time will tell if the Democrats will learn that lesson and build on it, or piss it away as they have so many times in the past.
 
luchog said:
Well, this election should finally put the nail in the coffin of "Democrats just need to understand Republicans to get them on our side".

Washington Post Alabama Senate election results.

72% of white men, and 63% of white women voted for Roy Moore, for a credibly-accused child molester and sexual predator, for a blatant racist who dreams about a return to the days of slavery and thinks slavery was beneficial for black people, for a sexist who believes that women have no business in politics and should not have been allowed suffrage. Nearly 2% of each voted for write-in Republican candidates. Turnout for white voters overall was lower than for previous elections.

By contrast, black men voted 93% for Doug Jones, and black women 98%. (6% of black men and 2% of black women voted for Moore, which is disturbing, and shows that for some, religious fanaticism trumps personal preservation.) But that fails to capture the key factor in this election, black voters turned out to vote in record numbers in this election; overcoming even the GOP's strident attempts to suppress their vote through means both merely unethical and outright illegal. Many who turned out were those who did not normally vote, having believed that doing so is fruitless and would not affect outcomes.

This is strong evidence that pandering to the right as many have suggested is emphatically not the way for Democrats to achieve victory against the increasingly fascist GOP. They simply aren't amenable to the worldview held by progressives and liberals, their rallying cry in this election being "Better a paedophile in office than a Democrat." The path to victory for Democrats is to address the concerns of their base, become more progressive, and work hard to mobilize those who have lost faith in the process, particularly among black and female voters.

There is a profound lesson to be learned here; time will tell if the Democrats will learn that lesson and build on it, or piss it away as they have so many times in the past.
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I need to point out that this is almost exclusively an evangelical issue:

 
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