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"The reason aliens aren't doing crop circles anymore"

tuxcat said:
And another question to alien enthusiasts - why would a sufficiently advanced spices go through the trouble of sending astronaughts all the way from their planet when they could just send a probe? Like what we are doing - because it's cheap(ish), safe and removes a vast amount of complications like getting back home, food, water, air etc (making the assumption that ET life does indeed require these things). Whether they do or not, unless they want to live on an alien planet then they'll have to get back home. Far easier to send a remote-controlled probe isn't it.
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Seeing a place through a machine isn't the same as actually going there. It isn't even in the same ball park... So interstellar tourists?
 
tuxcat said:
Hmm I suppose but would they be able to tell whether a new planet would be hospitable or dangerous to them?
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These ships arrive at a star system, look around and if there is no planet suitable they will need to leave. They may need to get some resources from the system. This is also why they would need to send out several. Just in case some of them cannot find a suitable planet.
 
rjh01 said:
These ships arrive at a star system, look around and if there is no planet suitable they will need to leave. They may need to get some resources from the system. This is also why they would need to send out several. Just in case some of them cannot find a suitable planet.
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Wouldn't that be a complete waste of fuel and time? I still think that they'd send remote probes to get a lay of the land and use the data from that to make inferences, a bit like Voyager 1 and 2, before sending their citizens into what may be oblivion.
 
tuxcat said:
I still think that they'd send remote probes to get a lay of the land and use the data from that to make inferences, a bit like Voyager 1 and 2, before sending their citizens into what may be oblivion.
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I believe they would first make observations from their home planet or an established base using satellite telescopes, like we do, to determine what kind of probes they'll send and where to send them.
 
The above posters are right. However their might be a delay between the unmanned probes and when the aliens arrive. Probes might have looked at Earth 200 years ago and decided everything is OK for takeover. Now when they arrive they find we might put up resistance and so leave.
 
Stray Cat said:
Actually there is a body of work that reports events which pre-date the Mowing Devil but on the whole croppies don't have a clue about much (which is why they believe aliens make crop circles).

In a book "The Natural History of Staffordshire" written by Robert Plot (Professor of Chemistry at Oxford and first keeper of the Ashmolean Museum) published 8 years after the Mowing Devil but containing information from as early as 1590, Plot goes on to talk about not only fairy rings and other strange circular depressions in fields but also more complex geometric shapes. He was also the first person (obviously long before Terrence Meaden) to posit the theory that the weather was the primary cause.

As for why no one (read not many of the regulars in the UK) is making crop circles anymore... that's a different story and too long and complex to go into here. Of course the lack of people making crop circles has lead directly for the need by croppies to explain why aliens aren't making them anymore. This year Europe seems to be the place, the best and most active circlemakers in the UK have decided for some reason to head to the beach and make sand circles instead.
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I'm curious: While I'm not a believer in circle woo (alien claims, etc.) by any stretch, how does the existence of such reports going back a long time count against the alien claims? Couldn't one say the aliens were active for a long time?
 
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Stray Cat said:
The difference being that I am interested in the subject so as I've spent the majority of my spare time (and a lot of time that wasn't actually spare) for the past 15 years learning about and studying it in great depth, whereas Mike is apparently doing that uninformed "sceptic block" thing which does no good to no one. If an explanation offered doesn't fit what is being said, it's not the right explanation and to offer 'archeological sites' as the only solution is simply wrong.

Furthermore, I do not give people ammunition with which to shoot themselves in the foot and I don't appreciate the accusation.
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So how can one avoid doing "skeptic block" when there isn't close to enough time in a human lifetime to spend 15 years studying any and every subject there is out there, when one comes across a subject one hasn't spent 15 years studying but needs to critically evaluate some claim that has come up with respect to it and form an informed opinion that's not just "skeptic block"? Someone comes up with a claim about a quantum-tachyon-woohickey, what do you do if you don't have a Ph.D. in quantum physics?

Also, you said in one post "as artists, we..." -- are you a circlemaker? Or have you at least dabbled in it?
 
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Stray Cat said:
Then if you're not willing to learn what motivates people to believe in ********, to study the deep traditions and folk lore that puts things into a real historical context, to understand that crop circles are more than simply flattening some crops for the gullible to fawn over, you're never going to be able to have anything more than an uninformed opinion on the subject... good luck with that approach, not only on this forum, but also when you come across anyone who has actually read what Plot wrote and will certainly put you straight about how "obvious" your explanation really is. :rolleyes:
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So how do you manage to form the correct explanations when reading that old lore?
 
rjh01 said:
Probes might have looked at Earth 200 years ago and decided everything is OK for takeover.
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I think hostile visitations are unlikely for a host of reasons but what you propose probably isn't the kind of mistake that an advanced space faring race is likely to make in reality.
 
Stray Cat said:
As for why no one (read not many of the regulars in the UK) is making crop circles anymore... that's a different story and too long and complex to go into here.
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Going back to this earlier post because I'm a curious guy.

No way to summarize what some of the reasons may be?

It goes to the heart of this thread, so it would be great if we at least could get a little bit of insight on what's going on. :)
 
SusanB-M1 said:
The last time I look, a few years ago, there were calendars and books featuring excellent aerial photos of crop circles, so microlight pilots and publishers are also interested in the profit to be made from crop circles; and when I joined a small group to view one near Amesbury, again, a few years ago, the group organiser was a photographer with a definite commercial interest. He charged, and also strongly encouraged us to put money, £4 if I remember correctly in the farmer's box.

My reason for doing this? I just wanted to see one at close quarters!
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I find this confusing. Crop circles need to be seen from some altitude above ground level to see the whole picture. What can you actually see while "in" one?
 
rjh01 said:
The above posters are right. However their might be a delay between the unmanned probes and when the aliens arrive. Probes might have looked at Earth 200 years ago and decided everything is OK for takeover. Now when they arrive they find we might put up resistance and so leave.
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200 years ? Even at half light speed that means that they are at most 50 LY away :p.

You might want to add a few zero there.
 
AdMan said:
Stray Cat said:
As for why no one (read not many of the regulars in the UK) is making crop circles anymore... that's a different story and too long and complex to go into here.
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Going back to this earlier post because I'm a curious guy.

No way to summarize what some of the reasons may be?

It goes to the heart of this thread, so it would be great if we at least could get a little bit of insight on what's going on. :)
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Seconded.

Also, the guy who started the thread I linked to in the OP is from the UK, and is probably wondering the same thing.
 
Mudcat said:
I think hostile visitations are unlikely for a host of reasons but what you propose probably isn't the kind of mistake that an advanced space faring race is likely to make in reality.
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Whoever said anything about mistakes? They look at a world, see people who use only primitive technology. Then a few centuries pass. The natives mess up the environment or use all the natural resources. This would make it unsuitable for their purposes.

Then I worry how they will deal with the natives. They may not be hostile but when Europeans settled the rest of the world the natives did not do very well. For example in Australia many were shot. Others were given diseases. After all they were about to go extinct. Australia's constitution (written in the 1890s) was very racist. If the aliens are refugees they will have an incentive to be hostile to the natives.
 
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