The real alien conspiracy

[MikeG]

I'm wondering if the OP's absence is due to having been rumbled by Matthew Ellard, who clearly has done a good deal of poking around in the murky background of the law of one.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I'm wondering if the OP's absence is due to having been rumbled by Matthew Ellard, who clearly has done a good deal of poking around in the murky background of the law of one.

That is exactly what has happened. He's talking about it on the Skeptic Society forum. He's trolling, but I'm getting getting bites from serious cults members, defending the cult on the other forum.

Seth the alien
Jane Roberts wrote science fiction and decided to start religion where she channels "Seth, the ancient Egyptian alien". We are lucky because some of these sessions were filmed.

Here is Jane Roberts channelling "Seth, the alien". This has got to be the worst attempt at acting in film history. Notice that no one in the room, is taking her seriously "back then".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J9CyIOlMys

 

[smartcooky]

Any idea what made these crabs angry or were they always angry?

You shouldn't make crabs angry... you wouldn't like them when they're angry!

 

[tinribmancer]

The reasons are many, but it boils down to 2 central problems which the rest center around.

1. Like any Conspiracy Loon, the UFO subject is not about UFOs, it's almost always about the PERSON WHO SAW A UFO. That or the person's pet theory (like underwater dino-lizard men). I sat through over two-dozen MUFON meetings in the 1990s where abductees and contactees told their amazing stories, but when question and answer time arrived they were vague on details other than their fantastic story, and if someone (me) pressed too hard they would be ignored.

If you notice, almost every famous UFO incident has an advocate who's written books on the subject, and does radio shows, and conventions.

Actual UFO incidents, and I mean Unidentified Flying Objects, don't have an advocate, and tend to live in the news papers for a week or two before folks move on with their lives.

2. Almost nobody at MUFON, at least at the meetings I attended, was interested in collecting hard data, and getting to the bottom of a specific incident. It was all about belief, and not about knowledge.

In fact, within the UFO community, I was part of a sub-group called "Nuts & Bolts" because people like me were hung up on getting evidence...you know, physical evidence like soil samples from a landing site or whatever else someone could bag and take to a lab. The "Nuts & Bolts" folks usually get run out of meetings because we suck the fun out of the room...

...leaving just the Nuts...

I came to the conclusion that if the USAF actually had recovered alien space craft they could park them on the runway at Nellis with big neon signs that read "Captured Alien Space Ships!" and MUFON would scream "Disinformation!"

A CTer getting his sanity back? I thought this was basically impossible...

Were there more things you believe in or just UFO's?

Actually, FTL and the Event Horizon are the same thing. In fact, the World Trade Center didn't collapse, it just got sucked into a parallel dimension where Yahoo Serious is president of the UN.

And what about that Swirling Vortex thing above the Pentagon back then?

 

[Axxman300]

A CTer getting his sanity back? I thought this was basically impossible...

Were there more things you believe in or just UFO's?

The list if things I didn't believe in would be shorter.

I was down with just about any off-the-wall concept: Bigfoot, UFOs, the JFK Assassination, Nostradamus, Astrology, Tarot cards, Phsychics, etc.

I gave up on them for the same reason: zero facts, and zero evolution of the phenomena with time.

Example: Bigfoot - Someone should have found one by now, dead, captured, or whatever. We have remote trail cams in the hands of millions of people in the US alone, but nobody's got a clear photo of one?

Example: Nostradamus, all of his stuff is deciphered after-the-fact and married to a current event. Not one of his "predictions" has even been applied accurately to a future event. By now someone should be able to read his tripe and send out a warning and have the event occur as advertised...still waiting for that.

In high school I had Marine Biology, and I took it again 22 years later at junior college. In high school I memorized: Kingdom, Phylum, Genus, Species. In 2007 I had to memorize: Kingdom, Phylum, CLASS,ORDER, Genus, Species.

Why?

DNA & RNA had forced an evolution in classifications.

We can put cameras and scientific instruments almost anywhere on the ocean floor, and if science was better funded there would be a lot down there. I live near the Monterey Bay where MBARI is on the cutting edge of deep sea exploration, and every week they report some fantastic new discovery. The difference is that it's all real, they collect samples, they take high resolution video and photographs.

Meanwhile, the cryptozoololgy, UFO, and CT camps continue to feed on dead ideas hoping to defecate and re sculpt them into the next big "discovery".

To be completely candid I still have a fascination with ghosts, but my thinking on them has evolved into understanding why people see them, and not so much the mythology.

My change of the JFK thing can be found in a couple of the JFK threads. Short version: I went to Dallas, it was an easy shot.

Nobody likes to admit they are wrong, or got played for a fool, but I was a fool. I assumed that the people writing those books and the people on Art Bell knew what they were talking about. When I looked into their research I found that they disregard mountains of data because it undermines their theory or world view. CTers hide behind the platitude that "They Control the Media", and claim that contradictory evidence is fraudulent.

I fell for it. That's on me.

 

[malbec]

the UFO subject is not about UFOs, it's almost always about the PERSON WHO SAW A UFO. That or the person's pet theory (like underwater dino-lizard men).

Have never heard that type of remark before .
Travelling from zero ( BS ) to 10 ( proven) , I rate it a zero .
Just restricting the subject to those caught on NASA and ISS cameras , I can see no signs of any persons being involved .
Similarly for the thousands of examples raised my random members of the public .
But possibly untrue --- and therefore in your favour --- for a handful of others .
Puzzled .

 

[Kid Eager]

Have never heard that type of remark before .
Travelling from zero ( BS ) to 10 ( proven) , I rate it a zero .
Just restricting the subject to those caught on NASA and ISS cameras , I can see no signs of any persons being involved .
Similarly for the thousands of examples raised my random members of the public .
But possibly untrue --- and therefore in your favour --- for a handful of others .
Puzzled .

You're puzzled? Spare a thought for those attempting to parse the meaning of your post...

 

[malbec]

KE , the author is American .
I could have written --- total and utter nonsense . But politely , i tried to let him down gently .
Obviously , I appreciate that Americans have difficulties with good English .
But that is their concern .

 

[smartcooky]

KE , the author is American .
I could have written --- total and utter nonsense . But politely , i tried to let him down gently .
Obviously , I appreciate that Americans have difficulties with good English .
But that is their concern .

"The United States and Great Britain are two countries separated by a common language."
- George Bernard Shaw,

 

[ShadowSot]

A CTer getting his sanity back? I thought this was basically impossible...

Not that uncommon. A lot of the online skeptics I meet were conspiracy theorists at some point. I was myself. Used to love Abovetopsecret.

 

[BazBear]

"sentient reptiloids" is redundant. All great mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingies are sentient, and far more intelligent than mere humans. Get over it, monkeys.

I'd stop bullying the primates if I were you. You know damned well that if word of this gets back to...

Well you know who I mean, I've probably said too much already.

 

[tinribmancer]

You shouldn't make crabs angry... you wouldn't like them when they're angry!

Found that out the hard way. I know have a mechanic finger that can shoot laser beams. Pretty cool during the holidays.

The list if things I didn't believe in would be shorter.

I was down with just about any off-the-wall concept: Bigfoot, UFOs, the JFK Assassination, Nostradamus, Astrology, Tarot cards, Phsychics, etc.

There's a CT about Bigfoot??

Also, I thought the Kennedy Assassination was a real CT? Like MLK's murder case?

Example: Bigfoot - Someone should have found one by now, dead, captured, or whatever. We have remote trail cams in the hands of millions of people in the US alone, but nobody's got a clear photo of one?

Main reason why I never believed in bigfoot or aliens & Ghosts (especially ghosts. Plus, how on earth is a camera able to take a picture from something you can't even see?

+ Photoshop (wanna bet all my money on that one).

We can put cameras and scientific instruments almost anywhere on the ocean floor, and if science was better funded there would be a lot down there. I live near the Monterey Bay where MBARI is on the cutting edge of deep sea exploration, and every week they report some fantastic new discovery. The difference is that it's all real, they collect samples, they take high resolution video and photographs.

And for some reason, there are CTers that literally believe that there are machines on the bottom of the ocean that are controlled by the UN that are causing Tsunami and other disasters to happen.

Nobody likes to admit they are wrong, or got played for a fool, but I was a fool. I assumed that the people writing those books and the people on Art Bell knew what they were talking about. When I looked into their research I found that they disregard mountains of data because it undermines their theory or world view. CTers hide behind the platitude that "They Control the Media", and claim that contradictory evidence is fraudulent.

Yeah, something my CTers is always rambling about: "Controlled Media".

Yet, he's subscribed to RT's channel on youtube and watched the ISIS terrorist attack from november on the NOS news (TV channel in The Netherlands).

Not that uncommon. A lot of the online skeptics I meet were conspiracy theorists at some point. I was myself. Used to love Abovetopsecret.

I actually thought it was, since the CTer I know has been "researching" this since 2007 (came up with this vague story after I asked how he became a CTer, but I personally think his GF told him some stuff (she's been a CTer since 2005 according to the pictures I found on her Partyflock account, one of them being a picture from Alex Jones or like she said "my hero "))

 

[BazBear]

You completely discount my belief but do not give any legitimate criticism, no narrow mindedness there. None at all.

"Where's the evidence?" is always, always a legitimate question; and pointing out that you've provided nothing close to credible evidence - for a quite extraordinary claim, mind you - is always legitimate criticism.

 

[Axxman300]

Have never heard that type of remark before .
Travelling from zero ( BS ) to 10 ( proven) , I rate it a zero .
Just restricting the subject to those caught on NASA and ISS cameras , I can see no signs of any persons being involved .
Similarly for the thousands of examples raised my random members of the public .
But possibly untrue --- and therefore in your favour --- for a handful of others .
Puzzled .

You know who doesn't think they caught UFOs on video? NASA.

Here's the thing about NASA, they're a government agency, and UFOs would mean a boost in their budget. NASA, the US Air Force, USMC, and US Navy would all benefit from UFOs being real.

 

[Mudcat]

They're not aliens, theyre evolved sentient reptiloids.

Here's the definition of alien for you, since you obviously don't know it:

adjective: alien

1) Belonging to a foreign country or nation.

• Unfamiliar and disturbing or distasteful.
• Relating to or denoting beings supposedly from other worlds; extraterrestrial.
  

Noun: Alien, Aliens

1) Foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living.

• A hypothetical or fictional being from another world.
• A plant or animal species originally introduced from another country and later naturalized.
  

Your reptoids definitely fit more than one of those descriptions.

 

[Pixel42]

My view is that if requested it is best to present a case and then disappear . It saves time , energy and patience from having to deal with the large majority ( I believe ) who are not interested in real discussion , but delight in an opportunity to be dismissive , from flip remarks to outright nastiness .

Sounds to me like you're advocating stating your predetermined conclusion, and then running away when people ask for evidence and raise legitimate objections.

A real discussion would require the person making the case to provide the evidence and answer the legitimate objections (whilst ignoring any actual 'nastiness'). It would also require them to consider the possibility that they might be the one who is mistaken, as well as expecting their audience to consider that possibility.

Many have a mainstream world view which they need to hold on to for a variety of reasons .

And many have a non-mainstream world view which they need to hold on to for a variety of reasons.

I have never fully understood why so many appear to think that publicly wandering from the intellectual "straight and narrow" has to be avoided at all cost .

Most posters here would be delighted by an idea which wanders from the "straight and narrow" if a convincing case could be made for it. The problem on a forum with a long history like this one is that most longterm posters have already seen the case being made by previous advocates of it, have examined it fairly, and have concluded that it does not stand up.

 

[Slowvehicle]

Its actually really simple to get, if relatively is to be believed, that gravity is just space compressing down distorting the space time in an area to a smaller spot. Before the event horizon in a black hole time and space are compressed making it seem time is standing still on the inside compared to the outside. If pure space is contained in a place with "less" space and rotated opposite of its gravitational sink, its time dilation effects possibly even reversed (not a reversal in time, but an altered flow of time relative to the outside world) , not exactly as a negative gravity but just reversed core pressure. Like an inverse planet. I know its entirely speculative but its still possible, and in some ways likely. Much more likely in the *Bible is absolutely correct* thing.

Dangit! You didn't post "formless"! If you had, I would have filled in a triple Bingo!

Now all I have is bad coasters...

 

[Slowvehicle]

Again, what is it we're not supposed to feed?

Them, after midnight. And don't get 'em wet...

 

[Slowvehicle]

the birds?

...tuppence a bag.

 

[Slowvehicle]

It is if you come from Hawaii and you add in spam. I like to add in my own beans usually Cannellini.

...it's so ono, brah.