The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything

[dafydd]

Not so, so long as the computer has enough clock cycles and memory storage. Apparently you are not familiar with the Bekenstein Bound. At any rate, I wrote the article to educate people on such matters, so see the article for the details on this.

Well, you failed there.

''In physics, the Bekenstein bound is an upper limit on the entropy S, or information I, that can be contained within a given finite region of space which has a finite amount of energy—or conversely, the maximum amount of information required to perfectly describe a given physical system down to the quantum level. It implies that the information of a physical system, or the information necessary to perfectly describe that system, must be finite if the region of space and the energy is finite. In computer science, this implies that there is a maximum information-processing rate for a physical system that has a finite size and energy, and that a Turing machine with unbounded memory is not physically possible.''

So no infinite computing power. Why did you mention a concept that contradicts you?

 

[dafydd]

This one:

The Omega Point final singularity is a different aspect of the Big Bang initial singularity,
i.e., the first cause, a definition of God held by all the Abrahamic religions.

Jesus:

One of the most striking examples of the Omega
Point cosmology in the New Testament is the two different resurrection events spoken
of therein. Jesus Christ said that the first to die will be the last to be resurrected,
and the last to die will be the first to be resurrected.263 In Revelation 20:4–6 it is
revealed more fully what this means. There exists two different Resurrections: the
First Resurrection will be of the faithful who were mass-murdered via beheading by
the Beast government shortly before Jesus Christ’s Second Coming for their refusal to
accept the Mark of the Beast and to go along with the Beast system.





Looks like the New Testament restated in the idiom of science.

The myth of Jesus is not science. It belongs to the realm of fairy stories. This thread promises to be first class entertainment.

 

[James Redford]

Pass. The abstract was enough for me. Life is too short to waste it by reading trash.

The known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics) have been confirmed by every experiment to date. Thus, to reject them is to reject empirical science.

 

[Qeidx]

The known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics) have been confirmed by every experiment to date. Thus, to reject them is to reject empirical science.

Who said there was a rejection of said physics laws? The rejection looks to be of the implication that these physics laws lead to God.

 

[dafydd]

The known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics) have been confirmed by every experiment to date. Thus, to reject them is to reject empirical science.

I agree that experiment has confirmed those theories. Bugger all to do with any god though.

 

[dafydd]

Who said there was a rejection of said physics laws? The rejection looks to be of the implication that these physics laws lead to God.

He still hasn't said which sky daddy he is referring to. I can predict the future. He will ignore my comment about the Bekenstein Bound.

 

[Leumas]

No, actually the Omega Point cosmology is not a "God of the gaps" argument, which means that you're saying things without knowing and/or caring about the accuracy of what it is that you're saying. Had you merely read the abstract of the article then you would have known that your above statement is incorrect (assuming you could understand it).

You are right ... it is not..... it is :

The Usurping God Of Hindsight​

 

[dafydd]

You are right ... it is not..... it is :

The Usurping God Of Hindsight​

In a nutshell. Well done.

 

[James Redford]

Well, you failed there.

''In physics, the Bekenstein bound is an upper limit on the entropy S, or information I, that can be contained within a given finite region of space which has a finite amount of energy—or conversely, the maximum amount of information required to perfectly describe a given physical system down to the quantum level. It implies that the information of a physical system, or the information necessary to perfectly describe that system, must be finite if the region of space and the energy is finite. In computer science, this implies that there is a maximum information-processing rate for a physical system that has a finite size and energy, and that a Turing machine with unbounded memory is not physically possible.''

So no infinite computing power. Why did you mention a concept that contradicts you?

The highlighted part of the quote you gave is accurate if the computer in question had a finite energy and size. But in the Omega Point cosmology, the energy of the universe diverges to infinity, and so the Bekenstein Bound allows infinite computation in such a cosmology.

 

[Qeidx]

The highlighted part of the quote you gave is accurate if the computer in question had a finite energy and size. But in the Omega Point cosmology, the energy of the universe diverges to infinity, and so the Bekenstein Bound allows infinite computation in such a cosmology.

Infinite computation, perhaps(granting this idea). But we do know that even if we divert all possible power into a 4GB flashdrive, we've destroyed it. It's a limitation of hardware in this sense.

Energy may be infinite(still granting the idea), capacity to use such energy, not so much

 

[James Redford]

Who said there was a rejection of said physics laws? The rejection looks to be of the implication that these physics laws lead to God.

They apodictically lead to the Omega Point final cosmological singularity, which has all the haecceities claimed for God in the traditional religions, and so the Omega Point is by definition God.

 

[dafydd]

The highlighted part of the quote you gave is accurate if the computer in question had a finite energy and size. But in the Omega Point cosmology, the energy of the universe diverges to infinity, and so the Bekenstein Bound allows infinite computation in such a cosmology.

An infinite computer would take up all the room in the universe. You haven't thought this through, have you? Rather than you educating us, it seems that we will have to educate you.

 

[Twiler]

No, actually the Omega Point cosmology is not a "God of the gaps" argument, which means that you're saying things without knowing and/or caring about the accuracy of what it is that you're saying. Had you merely read the abstract of the article then you would have known that your above statement is incorrect (assuming you could understand it).

Rather, the Omega Point Theorem shows how God is physically possible and indeed mathematically required by the known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics). It shows that the computational resources of the universe must diverge to infinity, becoming infinite at a final cosmological singularity, termed the Omega Point. As Stephen Hawking proved, the cosmological singularity is not in spacetime, but rather is the boundary of space and time. In other words, it is eternal, as it is outside of time. The Omega Point has all the other haecceities claimed for God in the traditional religions, and so it is by definition God.

I'm already familiar with Tipler's argument. You're trying to equate an object of superstition with an object of cosmology.

Do you think that the Omega point, could, in fact, be multiple deities?

 

[dafydd]

They apodictically lead to the Omega Point final cosmological singularity, which has all the haecceities claimed for God in the traditional religions, and so the Omega Point is by definition God.

In an SF story maybe, not in the real universe. Have you any proof that a god exists?

 

[Qeidx]

They apodictically lead to the Omega Point final cosmological singularity, which has all the haecceities claimed for God in the traditional religions, and so the Omega Point is by definition God.

List out what traditional religions, if you would.

Do we perhaps mean Christianity? In which case, did this Omega Point send its only son to be nailed to sticks?

Do we mean Islam, in which case, did this Omega Point speak to Muhammad and tell him its will?

 

[James Redford]

Infinite computation, perhaps(granting this idea). But we do know that even if we divert all possible power into a 4GB flashdrive, we've destroyed it. It's a limitation of hardware in this sense.

Energy may be infinite(still granting the idea), capacity to use such energy, not so much

What the Omega Point Theorem demonstrates is that per the known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics) life must gain control over all matter in the universe and that life's intelligence must diverge to infinite knowledge going into the final cosmological singularity, termed the Omega Point. See Section 3.1: "The Omega Point" of my above-provided article for the details on that.

 

[dafydd]

List out what traditional religions, if you would.

Do we perhaps mean Christianity? In which case, did this Omega Point send its only son to be nailed to sticks?

Do we mean Islam, in which case, did this Omega Point speak to Mohammed and tell him its will?

Or to Tawa, the Hopi god? Zeus? Harry Potter?

 

[dafydd]

What the Omega Point Theorem demonstrates is that per the known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics) life must gain control over all matter in the universe and that life's intelligence must diverge to infinite knowledge going into the final cosmological singularity, termed the Omega Point.

Gibberish. Why have you people always got such a huge bee in your bonnet?

 

[James Redford]

An infinite computer would take up all the room in the universe. You haven't thought this through, have you? Rather than you educating us, it seems that we will have to educate you.

As the universe collapses into the Omega Point final singularity, available energy diverges to infinity, while at the same time the density of the universe diverges to infinity. There is no limit to the amount of matter that one can fit into a singularity.

 

[Twiler]

What the Omega Point Theorem demonstrates is that per the known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics) life must gain control over all matter in the universe and that life's intelligence must diverge to infinite knowledge going into the final cosmological singularity, termed the Omega Point. See Section 3.1: "The Omega Point" of my above-provided article for the details on that.

What does divergence refer to in this context?

What does infinite knowledge mean?