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THE PHYSICS OF FLIGHT; a thread for CIT

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In a quick skim, I noticed a broken Latex link in section 3.3.


Bugger.

I thought I'd fixed that one.


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New link: Flight Introduction.pdf - 0.53MB


ETA: If anybody wants to post this online, I have no problem with that, so long as I'm given due credit.
I would recommend, however, that anyone intending to do so make sure that it is permissible. I seem to recall reading somewhere that posts made here fall under a JREF copyright, and thus sharing them is not always permitted.
 
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[nitpick]In section 1.1 your discussion of ailerons is not precisely correct. Those devices don't really increase lift, although they do result in a change in the lift vector. Ailerons merely disrupt airflow in the direction of deflection causing the wing to either dip or lift resulting in a roll. The lift vector changes, but the overall lift component is not changed. The elevator changes the angle of attack in the same manner, but the lift component does change due to the increase in angle of attack. I know it's difficult to explain in a simple manner but I think you need to work on the wording a bit more in that section.

Slats and flaps merely change the camber and chord of the wing allowing a lower stall speed. They both also increase drag.

One spelling error (wrong word), case should be cause in that section.[/nitpick]

The remainder of the article is very good, if even a bit complicated for most folks because of the emphasis on math.
 
What about the flight there over the Moon?


I'm sorry, what is the relevance of your post?





[nitpick]In section 1.1 your discussion of ailerons is not precisely correct. Those devices don't really increase lift, although they do result in a change in the lift vector. Ailerons merely disrupt airflow in the direction of deflection causing the wing to either dip or lift resulting in a roll. The lift vector changes, but the overall lift component is not changed. The elevator changes the angle of attack in the same manner, but the lift component does change due to the increase in angle of attack. I know it's difficult to explain in a simple manner but I think you need to work on the wording a bit more in that section.


I'm afraid I am going to have to argue with you on that.
Control surfaces do change the lift over the airfoil, but only along the portion that they extend. They do this by changing the camber of the wing in that spot. This changes the lift. I have a feeling we are talking about different interpretations of the event, neither one wrong, just used for different analytical purposes.

"... one aileron is deflected up and the other down, creating a differential lifting force on the wings, thus contributing to the rolling moment.
[...]
... the elevator is deflected upward, creating a negative lift at the tail, thus contributing to the pitching moment"​
Source: Anderson Jr, John D. Introduction to Flight, Fifth Edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 2005. Pg 517.


Slats and flaps merely change the camber and chord of the wing allowing a lower stall speed. They both also increase drag.


Changing those factors is what changes the lift



One spelling error (wrong word), case should be cause in that section.[/nitpick]


I'll fix that, but not tonight. I think there may be more recommendations and edits yet to come, and I have realized that I don't want to re-do the upload every couple posts (anymore). So I'll leave the feedback to collect for a day or so, and then make all the changes at once.



The remainder of the article is very good, if even a bit complicated for most folks because of the emphasis on math.


Thank you very much. And while it would have been nice to avoid the math, I could not do it. My target is the CIT, and they need this math to perform the calculations on their flight path that everyone has been pestering them about. I think they should do this, because, well, they've used their flight path to accuse many people of being complicit in murder and treason. And nobody would do such a thing without taking all possible measures to ensure their "evidence" is solid, would they?
 
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I think we are just viewing it differently. The total lift component stays the same during a level roll. It just shifts to a more horizontal vector.

The change in Angle of Attack is what increases lift from the up elevator. Depends on whether you view it from the tail perspective or the total lift component perspective.

I guess I just don't like the explanation in that section. Again, it was a nitpick and not extremely important. If you like it leave it as is.....

Even with your explanation CIT still won't do the math as it would destroy their fantasy. I gave them a link to an easy online calculator so they could avoid the more complicated math and they still argue that the numbers are bogus.

There is no cure for utter stupidity!
 
X and Reheat:

Changing the camber of the airfoil changes the lift coefficient for the airfoil.

So X is right, the lift does increase/decrease locally at the aileron, because it's traveling at the same velocity and AOA that it was, but now it's being multiplied by a different coefficient.

Reheat is right, the total lift over the entire wing doesn't change much, or you would climb or descend as a result.

In unaccelerated flight, the total lift is always pretty close to the weight of the airplane.
(In unaccelerated gliding flight, the lift vector is tilted forward a bit to overcome the drag, so it's a bit more than the weight of the airplane, so it's only pretty close, not exact).
 
Changing the camber of the airfoil changes the lift coefficient for the airfoil.

One thing is for sure.... I'm not going to argue with a glider expert on airfoils or aerodynamics. You guys understand all of that better than just about anyone I can think of......

It's a good things powered aircraft pilots don't worry worry about most of the minute details. Most just say it's PFM (Pure ******* Magic) and press on.

All in all, X did a good job, but I doubt the target audience will put it to appropriate use.....
 
... but the derivation of lift (the force) from a snapshot of steady flow is pretty simple; whether you approach it from the Bernoulli pressure perspective (as in the writeup here) or in a Newtonian sense (equal and opposite, etc.) you will get the right answer.

Unfortunately, pretty much every text book (at least the ones aimed at younger students) presents the "Bernoulli pressure perspective" incorrectly. They always talk about lift being generated by the pressure differential caused by the greater distance air travels over the top of an airfoil than under the wing.

I realized when I was 10 that wasn't correct (or not completely correct). I knew that airplanes can fly upside-down as well as with non-airfoil shaped wings.

-- Roger
 
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Actually, air moving faster over one surface than the other is exactly what I said. That speed difference is what causes the pressure change.
I just went into a little more detail on why the air flowing over the wing changes speed.

Thanks for trying to educate me. Unfortunately when it comes to maths and physics, I'm as thick as a whale omelette. Fortunately, so was the audience (the British public) for the museum exhibition we were working on when I was told that the "longer path" explanation was bunk. The problem is that you simply can't use equations or even simple physics language when interpreting this stuff to the layman. We're trained to use a reading age of 12 as our baseline for text writing. Your post, whilst no doubt excellent, might as well be Martian for most readers. Hence the oversimplified "long path" taught in schools (jadebox explains this version well), which (as far as I can tell) is a version of your explanation so distilled as to be meaningless, and my "deflect air down" explanation which is probably also far too simplistic but IIRC was what the museum in question went with as a primary, along with touching upon other factors, etc demonstrating the Coanda effect. They seemed to largely discount Bernoulli, as in this article.
 
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Thanks for trying to educate me. Unfortunately when it comes to maths and physics, I'm as thick as a whale omelette. Fortunately, so was the audience (the British public) for the museum exhibition we were working on when I was told that the "longer path" explanation was bunk. The problem is that you simply can't use equations or even simple physics language when interpreting this stuff to the layman. We're trained to use a reading age of 12 as our baseline for text writing. Your post, whilst no doubt excellent, might as well be Martian for most readers. Hence the oversimplified "long path" taught in schools (jadebox explains this version well), which (as far as I can tell) is a version of your explanation so distilled as to be meaningless, and my "deflect air down" explanation which is probably also far too simplistic but IIRC was what the museum in question went with as a primary, along with touching upon other factors, etc demonstrating the Coanda effect. They seemed to largely discount Bernoulli, as in this article.


Very good points about the targeting 12-year-olds.

I may make some changes in light of that. I might keep it the way it is. As I said, I tried to introduce the basics and provide enough information that CIT could give calculations verifying their proposed flight path.
As such, I felt the basic equations should be shown, even if their derivations were not. This way, CIT can not claim that the math used is wrong. They have it staring them in the face, and derivation and verifications can be easily provided.


Regarding the interesting article you linked to:

I'm not sure what to say about that. As Mackey pointed out to me earlier, lift can be generated from a flat plate, if you hold the right angle of attack. The shape of the wing mainly helps control the airflow and lift properties at different speeds. I think the article is talking about the same thing.

I'll make another post on it when I've digested it a little more.
 
Hence the oversimplified "long path" taught in schools (jadebox explains this version well), which (as far as I can tell) is a version of your explanation so distilled as to be meaningless, and my "deflect air down" explanation which is probably also far too simplistic but IIRC was what the museum in question went with as a primary, along with touching upon other factors, etc demonstrating the Coanda effect. They seemed to largely discount Bernoulli, as in this article.

I'm not sure what to say about that. As Mackey pointed out to me earlier, lift can be generated from a flat plate, if you hold the right angle of attack. The shape of the wing mainly helps control the airflow and lift properties at different speeds. I think the article is talking about the same thing.

This is the kind of confusion I expected...

The confusion is over semantics. There is nothing wrong with either the Bernoulli or Newton perspective. See here for a discussion at the High School senior level. Both Bernoulli and Newton allow you to correctly calculate the forces on the wing, they just do it from different perspectives. Newton considers forces, Bernoulli considers energy. Both are correct.

Now, having said that, neither Newton nor Bernoulli allows you to compute the inputs to the equation. You need to know the fluid speeds in order to use either method, and neither approach will give it to you. That's where the confusion sets in.

The most common error is the "Equal Path" argument. It specifies that you can compute the fluid velocity above and below the wings as follows: Consider two parcels of air, one just above the other, that strike the front stagnation point of the wing. The top parcel goes over the top of the wing, the bottom parcel goes underneath, [this part is wrong]and they meet again at the rear stagnation point. Since the wing is curved, the top parcel has to travel faster, so its dynamic pressure on the wing is lower, says Bernoulli.[/end of error]

You all correctly note that the above cannot be true because, if so, paper planes wouldn't work and aircraft couldn't fly upside down. The reason the above argument is false is because (a) the two parcels absolutely do not have to meet up again, and (b) we can't be sure where the stagnation points are -- they in fact move depending on angle of attack and wing shape.

Finding the fluid speeds and the stagnation points requires much heavier duty mathematics. Or we can just build a model and find them with smoke wands and pitot probes. The latter is what was actually done in the early days of flight. But whatever method you use, once you find these properties, you can plug the values back into Bernoulli, and you will get the right answer.

What actually happens is, yes indeed, the aerfoil accelerates the flow. The flow above is faster, and the entire flow is deflected, both of which contribute to lift.

What is less obvious is how the aerfoil accelerates the flow. It has to do so by starting the fluid, creating shear and vorticity that remains attached to the wing surfaces, and the flow has to remain attached to the aerfoil or else it stalls -- and when it stalls, lift disappears. This part is much, much more complicated. But, if you're willing to just take a snapshot in steady-state, you can compute the answer almost instantly.

The steady-state answer is good enough for 99 questions out of 100. For the really weird behavior, what happens in separated flow, high alpha, transsonic flow, etc., you're better off doing CFD, wind tunnel and flight tests and finding out experimentally.

The starting flow problem above can be verified mathematically. In Euler flow, i.e. in simulations where viscosity is set to zero, there is no lift produced. We can create it by setting an additional boundary condition on the total circulation, and if we do so we can use the Euler equations to get a pretty good lift estimate. But this is cheating. Physically, what this means is that in a truly inviscid flow, the flow does not start properly and our wing remains stalled no matter what. We need at least some viscosity to create the boundary layer, and we need the boundary layer to keep the flow attached. Fortunately, while air is relatively inviscid, it is not totally inviscid. Flying through superfluid helium, on the other hand, is impossible, so don't try it. :D
 
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The starting flow problem above can be verified mathematically. In Euler flow, i.e. in simulations where viscosity is set to zero, there is no lift produced. We can create it by setting an additional boundary condition on the total circulation, and if we do so we can use the Euler equations to get a pretty good lift estimate. But this is cheating. Physically, what this means is that in a truly inviscid flow, the flow does not start properly and our wing remains stalled no matter what. We need at least some viscosity to create the boundary layer, and we need the boundary layer to keep the flow attached. Fortunately, while air is relatively inviscid, it is not totally inviscid. Flying through superfluid helium, on the other hand, is impossible, so don't try it. :D


Ah! This just made something that bothered me about this sport make a lot more sense.

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/09/the-breakdown-h.html

Hmm, off to digest this tidbit for a while.
 
This is the kind of confusion I expected...

The confusion is over semantics. There is nothing wrong with either the Bernoulli or Newton perspective. See here for a discussion at the High School senior level. Both Bernoulli and Newton allow you to correctly calculate the forces on the wing, they just do it from different perspectives. Newton considers forces, Bernoulli considers energy. Both are correct.

Now, having said that, neither Newton nor Bernoulli allows you to compute the inputs to the equation. You need to know the fluid speeds in order to use either method, and neither approach will give it to you. That's where the confusion sets in.

The most common error is the "Equal Path" argument. It specifies that you can compute the fluid velocity above and below the wings as follows: Consider two parcels of air, one just above the other, that strike the front stagnation point of the wing. The top parcel goes over the top of the wing, the bottom parcel goes underneath, [this part is wrong]and they meet again at the rear stagnation point. Since the wing is curved, the top parcel has to travel faster, so its dynamic pressure on the wing is lower, says Bernoulli.[/end of error]

You all correctly note that the above cannot be true because, if so, paper planes wouldn't work and aircraft couldn't fly upside down. The reason the above argument is false is because (a) the two parcels absolutely do not have to meet up again, and (b) we can't be sure where the stagnation points are -- they in fact move depending on angle of attack and wing shape.

Finding the fluid speeds and the stagnation points requires much heavier duty mathematics. Or we can just build a model and find them with smoke wands and pitot probes. The latter is what was actually done in the early days of flight. But whatever method you use, once you find these properties, you can plug the values back into Bernoulli, and you will get the right answer.

What actually happens is, yes indeed, the aerfoil accelerates the flow. The flow above is faster, and the entire flow is deflected, both of which contribute to lift.

What is less obvious is how the aerfoil accelerates the flow. It has to do so by starting the fluid, creating shear and vorticity that remains attached to the wing surfaces, and the flow has to remain attached to the aerfoil or else it stalls -- and when it stalls, lift disappears. This part is much, much more complicated. But, if you're willing to just take a snapshot in steady-state, you can compute the answer almost instantly.

The steady-state answer is good enough for 99 questions out of 100. For the really weird behavior, what happens in separated flow, high alpha, transsonic flow, etc., you're better off doing CFD, wind tunnel and flight tests and finding out experimentally.

The starting flow problem above can be verified mathematically. In Euler flow, i.e. in simulations where viscosity is set to zero, there is no lift produced. We can create it by setting an additional boundary condition on the total circulation, and if we do so we can use the Euler equations to get a pretty good lift estimate. But this is cheating. Physically, what this means is that in a truly inviscid flow, the flow does not start properly and our wing remains stalled no matter what. We need at least some viscosity to create the boundary layer, and we need the boundary layer to keep the flow attached. Fortunately, while air is relatively inviscid, it is not totally inviscid. Flying through superfluid helium, on the other hand, is impossible, so don't try it. :D


Thank you for another highly informative post.
I'd never even considered of the equal time to transit approach. I mean, never. Not even through university. It was never discussed, and I confess I had something like it floating around in the back of my head, but never took the time to look into it.

If you don't mind, I might incorporate some of this into my discussion, to attempt to alleviate confusion. I risk added complication, but it should be workable.

Again, I thank you for your input.

This is why you work at NASA and I, well, don't. Not yet, at least.
(And if I ever do wind up working there, it'll be to ride the Giant Roman Candle. I hope. Dream, actually.)
 
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I'd never even considered of the equal time to transit approach. I mean, never. Not even through university. It was never discussed, and I confess I had something like it floating around in the back of my head, but never took the time to look into it.

Well, it's wrong, but it is a common mistake. I think what happens is people draw streaklines, one above and one below the wing, and the one above leaves the wing later than the one below -- it's moving "slower," or at least it looks that way. "But that's wrong!" they say, and compensate mentally by stretching it out.

If you don't mind, I might incorporate some of this into my discussion, to attempt to alleviate confusion. I risk added complication, but it should be workable.

Go right ahead. After all, I am degreed in this stuff... should be good for something. ;)

If that isn't confusing enough, here's another way to think about wing shapes. A flat plate works fine, but a rounded shape works better, as we noted above. But why?

Think of it this way: It's all about the boundary layer. The boundary layer is a region of relatively stagnant air that adheres to the wing. This region takes on a rounded shape. If you have a flat plate with a small angle of attack, the nose will shed off the freestream, and so the boundary layer will be rounded, coming to the point of the plate. The exact shape and depth of the boundary layer depends on speed and angle of attack.

It's really the boundary layer that accelerates the free stream, not the wing itself. The boundary layer is between the two. And this is where the pressure differential gets generated. Both the wing and the boundary layer are lifted. This is also why, once the flow separates, your lift vanishes and you're no longer flying, except in a ballistic sense.

Since the boundary layer is just slow-moving fluid, why not fill some of it up with structure? By presenting a path closer to the way the fluid really wants to flow, one that is solid and not prone to buffeting or oscillation, you create a more reliable flow pattern and thus better lift, stable over a wider range of conditions. If you design the wing for a certain speed and angle of attack, you can work out the desired shape of flow, and that becomes the best shape for your wing.

As I noted before, the single most important feature of a wing is a sharp trailing edge. What will kill your lift quickest is the flow sneaking up around the back, forcing the rear stagnation point up onto the upper surface of the wing. This is how the flow begins to separate, except of course for crazy maneuvers that detach the flow through sheer inertia.

Hope that helps some more.
 
No one answered my question.

How does this thing achieve yaw?

B2_bomber1.jpg
 
Differential airbrakes.
Deploy them on one side only, you yaw to that side.
(SWAG on my part--it's the only way I can see to do it)

Wow. Can you imagine the computers in that thing. No wonder it costs over a billion dollars.
 

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