The ongoing troofer campaign against JREF!

dommyboysinjapan said:
If you can prove to me via statistics, documents or a poll that more victim's family members support the 911 Commission Report than a new investigation then I will stop asking for a new investigation on this or any other forum. That is my promise.
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Perhaps I missed it, but where on the website of World Trade Center United Family Group (organization Bill Doyle belongs to) does it mention 9/11 being an "inside job" or a call for a new investigation?

Linky: http://www.wtcufg.org/

The Families of September 11 http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/default.aspx
supports the recommendations of the 9/11 Commision
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
I really, really wouldn't play the "empathy" card if I were you either. How empathic is Ann Coulter being when she accuses the victims of "enjoying their husbands deaths.?"
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Bill O'Rielly and Ann Coulter aren't anywhere close to faces of the debunking community. How many times do you see debunkers linking to information provided by either of those idiots?

Now contrast that with how much content provided by Bermas or Avery that is constantly paraded by the Truth Movement and other various supporters of the CT tripe. Do you see a difference?

How does 50% of the families translate to 12 people? Tell me why I should believe you over him.
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I just reviewed the website for the group that Bill Doyle belongs to, The September 11th Education Trust. I don't see a single link or statement anywhere on it showing support for a MIHOP theory. Not a single one. This then becomes the point where a person doing any type of honest research asks the following question --- Do you happen to have any corroborating evidence showing that 50% of the 7000 people mentioned do indeed think the government made it happen on purpose?

Why should I believe him over the 2 years worth of reading I have done on this subject?

I understand it is easy to latch onto a statement that seems to support your viewpoint. The difficult part becomes *HONESTLY* looking for corroborating evidence and then evaluating it as a whole to see how much sense it all makes.
 
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A miniscule percentage of the population wants or cares about a new investigation into 9/11. A miniscule population of the families of the victims want or care about a new investigation.

Really, why should we be surprised when a movement that claims the majority of the population supports them uses the same imaginary math to suggest the victims' families support them?

Is it a little more sleazy? Sure. But no more fraudulent than their everyday dishonesty.
 
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Many truthers like to use the family members as shields to divert their utter stupidity. Dylan Avery Avery comes to mind immediately.
The fact is, all of the questions will never be answered, as is the case in most tragedies. However, the gist of what happened is well documented and researched, unfortunately truthers will continue to JAQ off.
 
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dommyboysinjapan said:
How does 50% of the families translate to 12 people? Tell me why I should believe you over him. What is your relationship to the victim's families? If you can prove to me via statistics, documents or a poll that more victim's family members support the 911 Commission Report than a new investigation then I will stop asking for a new investigation on this or any other forum. That is my promise.
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Sorry, you want statistics when you provide a second hand reference to 50%? The 12 people is the exact number of members of the website that you linked to. So, how do these 12 people represent 50% of the family members?
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
T.A.M.,

Sometimes human beings from the Truth Movement behave badly, just as sometimes human beings that vehemently defend the mainstream theories of 9/11 behave badly.
Here is one example:
Ann Coulter:

I could give you quite a few quotes from Bill O'reilly too. What would it prove?
When people from one side or the other make threats or say hurtful things or exhibit other kinds of disrespectful behaviour it is more about their own level of dignity and maturity then anything else. Quoting a few truthers making comments that were in poor taste does not in any way invalidate the broad questions and concerns of the Truth Movement as a whole. I feel this should be quite an obvious point.

I would not call it 'an appeal to emotion'. I would call it 'faulty reasoning.' Please tell me specifically what you feel that I lied about.
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Coulter damages the legitimate case against the Jersey Girls--they do spout irresponsible nonsense-- with her trademark nastiness. Show us some Bill O'Reilly quotes on the fantasy movement that would upset any of the rationalists here.
 
Jwheelz said:
Bill O'Rielly and Ann Coulter aren't anywhere close to faces of the debunking community. How many times do you see debunkers linking to information provided by either of those idiots?

Now contrast that with how much content provided by Bermas or Avery that is constantly paraded by the Truth Movement and other various supporters of the CT tripe. Do you see a difference?



I just reviewed the website for the group that Bill Doyle belongs to, The September 11th Education Trust. I don't see a single link or statement anywhere on it showing support for a MIHOP theory. Not a single one. This then becomes the point where a person doing any type of honest research asks the following question --- Do you happen to have any corroborating evidence showing that 50% of the 7000 people mentioned do indeed think the government made it happen on purpose?

Why should I believe him over the 2 years worth of reading I have done on this subject?

I understand it is easy to latch onto a statement that seems to support your viewpoint. The difficult part becomes *HONESTLY* looking for corroborating evidence and then evaluating it as a whole to see how much sense it all makes.
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This is a common fallacy promoted by the TM. They use Bill Doyle, a family member of a victim of 9/11, and full aboard believer in the TM nonsense, and because he is the leader of one of the larger family groups, they FALSELY state that a large number of the family members are doubters of the official account...

If you go the site, etc...you will see that it is simply BS.

TAM:)
 
pomeroo,
Show us some Bill O'Reilly quotes on the fantasy movement that would upset any of the rationalists here.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IwIRNM5noY
Watch this short video of O'reilly talking to Jeremy Glick, a toung man who lost his father on 9/11. O'Reilly didn't agree with his opinion so after the show he said to him, "Get out of my studio before I ***** tear you to pieces." I don't know if that would upset any of the rationalists on this forum but I found it to be extremely insensitive.
 
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dommyboysinjapan said:
pomeroo,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IwIRNM5noY
Watch this short video of O'reilly talking to Jeremy Glick, a toung man who lost his father on 9/11. O'Reilly didn't agree with his opinion so after the show he said to him, "Get out of my studio before I ***** tear you to pieces." I don't know if that would upset any of the rationalists on this forum but I found it to be extremely insensitive.
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O'Reilly didn't rip him any more than he does anyone else he doesn't agree with. Do you think that because he's a victim of 9/11 he deserves a pass on any view he pleases? I'm not saying O'Reilly is right but it is his right to have his opinion on his show.
 
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dommyboysinjapan said:
O'Reilly didn't agree with his opinion so after the show he said to him, "Get out of my studio before I ***** tear you to pieces." I don't know if that would upset any of the rationalists on this forum but I found it to be extremely insensitive.
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I think either Glick had never watched O'Reilly's show before, or he was gunning for some free publicity.

Who knows? Maybe he was just being naive.
 
aggle-rithm said:
I wonder, has O'Reilly ever actually torn anyone to pieces?
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only in his mind.

Check out his book Those Who Trespass - it is full of wierd murders. And you can buy it from Amazon for $0.01, which is still not very good value for money.
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
Stellafane,


I really, really wouldn't play the "empathy" card if I were you either. How empathic is Ann Coulter being when she accuses the victims of "enjoying their husbands deaths.?"
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Oh Jeebus, this is just way too easy...Ann Coulter is a sick fanatic, a pathetic, quite stupid loser that no one would have ever heard of except she once was sort of photogenic, which apparently is in short supply among extreme right wing commentators. No one should take her even remotely seriously; I certainly don't.

Now then (since you seem to enjoy re-using my words, which given your usual level of incoherence I can fully understand), will you now say the same for your heroes Avery and Bermas?
 
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Stellafane said:
Ann Coulter is a sick fanatic, a pathetic, quite stupid loser that no one would have ever heard of except she once was sort of photogenic, which apparently is in short supply among extreme right wing commentators.
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Oh the things I'd do to Megyn Kelly. :)
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
...Who did Mr. Silverstein talk to about building 7 if it wasn't Daniel Nigro?
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So this is the foundation of the the whole Truther thing, who Silverstein was or wasn't talking to on 9/11? And against this fleeting moment of remote ambiguity, that occured during one of the most chaotic hours in American history, you're willing to dismiss mountain after mountain after mountain of hard, expert, fully researched and documentated evidence to the contrary?

I simply cannot conceive how someone's mind could work this way.
 
After reading posts from troothers I feel as if I have inhaled wayyyyy to much nitrous oxide.
 
Stellafane said:
So this is the foundation of the the whole Truther thing, who Silverstein was or wasn't talking to on 9/11? And against this fleeting moment of remote ambiguity, that occured during one of the most chaotic hours in American history, you're willing to dismiss mountain after mountain after mountain of hard, expert, fully researched and documentated evidence to the contrary?

I simply cannot conceive how someone's mind could work this way.
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I think it has something to do with the fact that they are constantly being told that the "Official Story" is a fantasy and that it "Violates The Laws Of Physics" by Truther authority figures. They've been constantly told by Alex Jones or whoever that there is no evidence that backs up "The Government's Cover Story", so they don't bother to look for any. Alex Jones wouldn't lie, would he? He's on the side of the little guy fighting for freedom, isn't he?
 
Brainache said:
...Alex Jones wouldn't lie, would he? He's on the side of the little guy fighting for freedom, isn't he?
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That much is true...if by "little guy" you mean the floating green alien that goes by the name "The Great Gazoo" that only Alex can see.
 
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